On 9/14/05, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What's needed is a person on the Palestinian side who wants peace enough to
> stand up to those who don't.
And then to last more than a few days without getting shot.
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> Brian wrote:
> I just don't believe that. I think the number of palestinians who want peace
> far outnumber the militant assholes.
That's my opinion as well, but until the Palestinians actually vote
we'll never know. I'm using the relative peace of the 90s as an
indicator.
The core issue is in
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On 9/13/05, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am not sure it is religion.
> The part of the Palestinian population who wants peace are outnumbered by
> the part who don't (and who have guns). The part who don't want peace are
> the ones teaching the future generations of the part who wants peace.
> I'm glad you think a simple public mandate will help, but it will not.
>
And how is aid from Iran, Saudi Arabia, the UN and/or anyone else going to
be cut off? The UN has 2 agencies who deal with refugees. One for the
Palestinians and one for every other group in the world. Do you really see
that agency stopping any time soon? I don't think so.
The solution will not
The part of the Palestinian population who wants peace are outnumbered by
the part who don't (and who have guns). The part who don't want peace are
the ones teaching the future generations of the part who wants peace.
I'm glad you think a simple public mandate will help, but it will not. This
is
On 9/13/05, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am not sure it is religion. I think it is just hate. Look at what is going
> on in Belfast. The groups are called "Protestant" and "Catholic" but what is
> going on there right now is not religious. It's simple anger at being unable
> to grind people'
I am not sure it is religion. I think it is just hate. Look at what is going
on in Belfast. The groups are called "Protestant" and "Catholic" but what is
going on there right now is not religious. It's simple anger at being unable
to grind people's noses in an injustice. But oh, I forgot... the
i guess i give up too early in the face of futility. they are never
going to change
they do not want to, nor do they care to be recognized as a people who welcome
peace, and love and happiness in the name of anything but their fanaticism aka
islam. it just doesnt seem feasible that it will ever c
On 9/13/05, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Cam wrote:
> > Then it's not really a choice if they have sanctions for choosing
> > violence. I don't advocate violence, just pointing out that it's not
> > really a choice.
> >
>
> I don't understand your point. I'm saying that if 50+% of t
That doesn't make it right, and it doesn't relieve the Palestinians of their
responsibilities under international law.
Living next to Osama. That is exactly what having the Palestinians on the
border is like for Israel. Imagine that here in the U.S.
Look at this little Mexican town, Nuevo Lard
> Cam wrote:
> Then it's not really a choice if they have sanctions for choosing
> violence. I don't advocate violence, just pointing out that it's not
> really a choice.
>
I don't understand your point. I'm saying that if 50+% of the
population support violence then their aid should be 100% cu
On 9/13/05, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If they don't, or if the vote is less than 50%, or if there is
> unprotested violence, there should be global sanctions.
> In short, ask the public for a mandate and them to account for their choice
Then it's not really a choice if they have san
> Cameron wrote:
> After a few generations of this, you get people who really don't
> understand or care about the initial reasoning behind the hate because
> so many other things have happened a a result of the feud that there's
> a whole new set of reasons to hate, independent of the initial
>
eptember 13, 2005 3:43 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: I want to thank the Palestinians
>
> but they hate. so its to be expected isnt it?
> i mean, is this a surprise to anyone?
>
> really?
>
> would be surprised if osama blew up a few more buildings, or got the
&
On 9/13/05, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I view many of the problems this country has not so much on Mr. Bush,
> but on the people that elect him. In the same way the Palestinians
> are/were horribly led. Who's to blame? Them of course. (although
> some would argue they're far from a
n't have a great
> deal of money or an economy shouldn't be tearing down any building. They
> could have used the structure for something else. But they desecrated the
> building, and showed their true intent.
>
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: Jaysen
nt: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 2:29 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: I want to thank the Palestinians
> >
> > Why were the synagogues destroyed again?
> >
> > What was the motive for the destruction of these churches?
> > You are claiming it is just a
hey desecrated the
building, and showed their true intent.
> -Original Message-
> From: Jaysen Van [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 2:06 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: I want to thank the Palestinians
>
> So lets see if I underst
Exactly.
Tearing down a building for a purpose is one thing. But Desecrating a
religious site is a hateful thing.
> -Original Message-
> From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 2:29 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: I wa
The train massacre can be seen as a continuation of the base issue with the
temple and massacres that came from it.
> There was massive killings by both sides (Hindu and Muslim) recently
> in relations to that shrine.
>
> Did you forget the burning of the train?
>
> On 9/13/05, Larry C. Lyons <[
I was mixing memory of the more recent Marad incident with the older Gujrat
one. The Gujrat massacre started in '89 with a desire to build a Hindu
temple where a Mosque now stands. The massacre and violence that came from
it was massive in scope and well showcases why holy sites should be left
Agreed. But torching a trainload of pilgrims can never be excused by
"they did worse".
On 9/13/05, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes but in comparison, the vast majority of the killings were done by
> followers of the VJPP and its allies.
Yes but in comparison, the vast majority of the killings were done by
followers of the VJPP and its allies.
larry
On 9/13/05, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There was massive killings by both sides (Hindu and Muslim) recently
> in relations to that shrine.
>
> Did you forget the burn
There was massive killings by both sides (Hindu and Muslim) recently
in relations to that shrine.
Did you forget the burning of the train?
On 9/13/05, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not quite mike. That mosque was destroyed by hindu extremists. The
> "massive orgies of death" happene
Not quite mike. That mosque was destroyed by hindu extremists. The
"massive orgies of death" happened before its destruction, and were by
the HJP (radical right wing Hindu nationalist party). The moslems in
that part of India were the ones being killed not the other way
around.
A bit of misinforma
Abbas praised the martyrs who made the disengagement possible. He's praising
the suicidal murderers as the people who made Israel leave Gaza. Nothing
about peace talks, nothing about Israel's desire for peace. He praised
killers and then said the Jerusalem is next. He's not off to a good start i
Is there anyone now? I doubt it because it would involve making decisions
that would not be supported by the current educational and governmental
frameworks. If someone got up and said:
"Screw Israel. We're going to show them we're better by remaking Gaza into
the gem of the world. We'll show th
I have a sneaking sensation the the origional temple will be rebuilt.
probably withing the next 8 years or so..
just a hunch..
now if i could invest in some red heffers i would be set!
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Michael,
In your opinion is there any way out of this? Is there anyone on the
Palestinian side that could offer a true peace proposal, some thing that would
really work?
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You are right. Israel has made concessions and tried for peace. But how
much of that was during Arafat's leadership of the Palestinians? Arafat
would say one thing and do another. I think we have to move forward under a
new banner, a banner of trust until there is proof that trust will not work
As we have for thousands of years.
> This is true, but faith will carries on.
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faced Pict stepped on a bloated sheep
carcass... and thus the Pipes were born"
the Scottish Rogues
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on a bloated sheep
carcass... and thus the Pipes were born"
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From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 02:31 pm
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But
But the heart still mourns the place where their heart dwelled.
> The heart of faith is in the person not the building...
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Why were the synagogues destroyed again?
What was the motive for the destruction of these churches?
You are claiming it is just a civil engineering task.
Then why weren't there civil engineers on hand? What are the plans for
that space? What is going up in their place? Were the foundations
useful
No Jew is about to start a war over this. Life over all else is our motto.
> On 9/13/05, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> So your supporting that any church, mosque, synagogue, etc. should be
>> torn
>> down when the people are gone? What of grave yards? Why not move the
>> bodies
Pict stepped on a bloated sheep
carcass... and thus the Pipes were born"
the Scottish Rogues
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From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 02:20 pm
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Subject: Re: I want to thank the Palestinians
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Raymond Camden wrote:
> On 9/13/05, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>So your supporting that any church, mosque, synagogue, etc. should be torn
>>down when the people are gone? What of grave yards? Why not move the bodies
>>when the decedents are no
Ah, but if you read many news reports, the message they are giving is that
the destruction is in response to the Israeli 'occupation'. If so, then they
would be destroying signs of the Israeli government. They are not.
If Israel destroyed all the 'unused' mosques in Israel, there would be war.
T
WOW!
i couldnt have said EVERY statement ANY better than you just have.
thank you.
tony
On 9/13/05, Jaysen Van <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So lets see if I understand this correctly.
> The Palestinians did not destroy government buildings or military bases.
> Both of which they would need for t
do you hold it possible that it may be wholly impossible for this
situation to EVER work out? and that the palestinians are S
backwards that they are wholly unable to act in any way other than
they are now?
tony
On 9/13/05, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> They are allowed to pra
*clap* *clap* *clap* *clap* *clap*
*twt tweeet*
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On 9/13/05, Jaysen Van <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So lets see if I understand this correctly.
> The Palestinians did not destroy government buildings or military bases.
> Both of which they would need for the admin
On 9/13/05, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So your supporting that any church, mosque, synagogue, etc. should be torn
> down when the people are gone? What of grave yards? Why not move the bodies
> when the decedents are not 'local' anymore. Where's the line, if there is
> one?
May
They are allowed to pray outside the Temple area at the last remaining
piece, a retaining wall. They are not allowed into the Temple area and any
other remains are being destroyed in expansions to new mosques. All in name
of not upsetting Muslims. Of course, they don't even want us there and hav
Yes, I've seen many Jews blowing themselves up at pizza parlors killing
innocent Palestinian woman and children. I've seen many Jews launching daily
rocket attacks at Palestinian towns. There has been heinous 'terrorism' on
both sides.
Actually, as the above is totally false, please define the h
So lets see if I understand this correctly.
The Palestinians did not destroy government buildings or military bases.
Both of which they would need for the administration and secuirty of their
land.
They did however destroy synagogues. how many Jews now live in these areas?
Or right, none. So
Don't Jews pray all the time at the wailing wall? Isn't that part of the
original temple?
Howie
--- On Tuesday, September 13, 2005 1:59 PM, Michael Dinowitz scribed: ---
>
> Jews are prohibited from praying on the Temple mound for
> fear of upsetting Muslims.
~
I miss your analogy.
But to use is, Israel didn't build a temple on Muslim land, quite the
opposite. Before there was Islam, the Temple was there. Jews were there.
Islam built their shrine on top of the Temple remains and guess what, the
Israeli government and the Jews of the world didn't tear i
> Michael wrote:
> I want to thank the Palestinians for showing the world that this is a war
> against the Jews, not for land.
I know that, historically, I've been seen as being on the Palestinian
side. Really I'm on the "can't we all just get along side", but
I don't see it that way.
I think the world would cry out if Jews destroyed a mosque, because we
expect them to behave better than that. If possible. Just as we would
if Jews destroyed a church, or a temple or a synagogue. Or if Isrealis
destoyed a mosque, or if Christians destroyed a mosque. Or wh
not to mention, that if i were a buddhist, and i took land from a
muslim, i wouldnt need the mosque any longer, i would build a temple?
right?
like, if i dont have my feet any longer, i wouldnt need my shoes.
tw
On 9/13/05, Paul Ihrig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> isnt a temple just a building,
So your supporting that any church, mosque, synagogue, etc. should be torn
down when the people are gone? What of grave yards? Why not move the bodies
when the decedents are not 'local' anymore. Where's the line, if there is
one?
Point is, there is a recognition in religion that a holy site is a
, as of
today, be partners in a peaceful settlement is fooling themselves.
> I want to thank the Palestinians for showing the world that this is a
> war against the Jews, not for land. The first thing they do when
> Israel pulls out was to go and destroy every Synagogue. No
isnt a temple just a building, when there are no longer any worshipers in
it?
i do belive in the sanctetity of a building, but with out the congregation
to inhabit the structure, it is as lifeless as a stone...
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Of course there were. Each town has it's own government buildings and
military positions and there were military locations as well.
Of course, after burning down the synagogues, they destroyed the hothouses
that international donors paid something like 18 million so that the
Palestinians could
Were there bases and government buildings in gaza? I didn't think that there
were.
Howie
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asked to demolish the synagogues themselves,
> but
> decided against it at the last minute? At least, that's the story
> I've heard. You could almost reason that the Israeli's set it up to
> play out this way.
>
>
>
>
> On 9/13/05, Michael Dinowitz <
Weren't the Israeli's asked to demolish the synagogues themselves, but
decided against it at the last minute? At least, that's the story
I've heard. You could almost reason that the Israeli's set it up to
play out this way.
On 9/13/05, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PR
I want to thank the Palestinians for showing the world that this is a war
against the Jews, not for land. The first thing they do when Israel pulls out
was to go and destroy every Synagogue. Not destroy military bases. Not destroy
government buildings. Destroy places of Jewish worship. 25 of
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