Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-23 Thread Dana
pretty sure there will be an insanity defense. And I think I saw that he saw friend get his leg blown off the day before. But still. The answer to that, I think is that a lot of soldiers live through horrifying situations, and don't go out and shoot children afterwards. The guy who shot two cops

RE: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-23 Thread Eric Roberts
Not to defend him, but different people react differently. I would say PTSD played a role in this and that more than likely, the Marine's metal health serves failed this soldier, but the fact does remain that he went on to murder people. Sometimes the crazy doesn't come to the surface until

Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-23 Thread Dana
that's where I was going with the why was he on active duty thing. But I am not buying that it's all the fault of the Army and they should have seen it coming, either. Not unless a whole lot comes out at trial about him asking for help and not getting it. By the way, anyone know if

RE: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-23 Thread Eric Roberts
I just saw in a CNN alert that he has been charged with 7 murders and faces the death penalty. Actually, that does put some f the blame on the Marines. Not only should his superior have seen something, but they do have regular mental health checks and someone should have seen something. Often

Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-23 Thread Dana
17. Not 7. Some of them were children. Others were women. All of them were civilians. And yes, there is a problem with the military culture that makes it hard to ask for help. But still. When you start to think gee, wouldn't it be a good idea to go over to this village over here and shoot some

RE: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-23 Thread Eric Roberts
Oops...typo -Original Message- From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 4:55 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier? 17. Not 7. Some of them were children. Others were women. All of them were

Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-23 Thread Larry C. Lyons
There is also the issue of the base he's from. The mental health services in Ft. Lewis in Washington invalidated over 40% of all PTSD cases last year. Apparently the director doesn't think PTSD and TBI are real and did not want to spend the money on it. This is also the base where the kill team

Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-23 Thread Dana
cool. Thought maybe you heard about it. On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Oops...typo -Original Message- From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 4:55 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Is madness

Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-23 Thread Dana
er, heard it wrong, I mean. Someone was talking to me. On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Oops...typo -Original Message- From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 4:55 PM To: cf-community Subject:

Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-23 Thread Dana
ah. had not seen that yet. That might explain some of the not seeking help, yup. On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote: There is also the issue of the base he's from. The mental health services in Ft. Lewis in Washington invalidated over 40% of all PTSD

Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-23 Thread Maureen
The medical staff at Fort Lewis is laughable. My ex was knocked from the top of a tanker truck during a training exercise, landed on his tailbone and shattered it. The doctors at Fort Lewis refused to classify it as a service related injury. It took years of fighting with the Army and the VA

Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-22 Thread Vivec
He's going to face 17 counts of murder. http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/22/10816077-defense-official-staff-sgt-robert-bales-to-face-17-murder-counts-in-afghanistan-massacre ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology

Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-22 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: He's going to face 17 counts of murder. http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/22/10816077-defense-official-staff-sgt-robert-bales-to-face-17-murder-counts-in-afghanistan-massacre In other kinda off topic but

Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-22 Thread Tony
am I insane to think that this kinda thing is not surprising at all, that we have driven out boys to madness (some of them) and that although he pulled the trigger, it's our lust for war and oil that is the cause of this, and the more we re-deploy and re-deploy more and more of this will

Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-20 Thread Vivec
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-madness-is-not-the-reason-for-this-massacre-7575737.html I'm getting a bit tired of the deranged soldier story. It was predictable, of course. The 38-year-old staff sergeant who massacred 16 Afghan civilians, including nine

Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-20 Thread GMoney
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Can't this explanation be used for every nutjob that decides to shoot and kill innocents? Or blow them up Yes it can. What's your point? You like a different word? use it. Any word that suggests a disgusting, sick, perverted,

Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-20 Thread Vivec
He's going to end up in a psyche ward for a while is what I am guessing. On 20 March 2012 11:17, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: Yes it can. What's your point? You like a different word? use it. Any word that suggests a disgusting, sick, perverted, evil, inhumane set of thoughts and

Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-20 Thread GMoney
I'm guessing he will be incarcerated for the rest of his life in a maximum security facility...if he avoids the death penalty. On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: He's going to end up in a psyche ward for a while is what I am guessing. On 20 March 2012 11:17,

Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-20 Thread Medic
Give him to the village the victims were from. It would likely have the most positive impact on peace and would be very much in line with the Afghan style of punishment. On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: He's going to end up in a psyche ward for a while is

RE: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-20 Thread Eric Roberts
There is that element...combat fatigue can make you do a lot of things that you might not normally do when you are metally sound. Whether this is just stripping away the veneer of sanity and just revealing the inner psychopath of this individual or it just really messed him up and he went into a

RE: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-20 Thread Eric Roberts
Not to excuse his actions...but there is a difference between doing something criminally and doing something as a result of mental stress induced psychosis. If this guy was just an outright asshat and just went into this village to shoot people up for shits and giggles...then yeah...that would

Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-20 Thread Medic
I don't think that even the villagers would want to do that in the latter case. Really? I tend to disagree. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now!

Re: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-20 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think that even the villagers would want to do that in the latter case. Really? I tend to disagree. Same here. Tell that to the parents and friends of kids who were killed at Virginia Tech.

RE: Is madness the verdict in the Afghan massacre by US soldier?

2012-03-20 Thread Eric Roberts
Here's more info on this guys...apparently he is just an asshole... http://news.yahoo.com/afghan-murder-suspect-bales-took-life-savings-says-223 934030--abc-news.html -Original Message- From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 12:34 PM To: cf-community