t; with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!"
> Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond"
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> Note I said "like the bible"
>
> Tim Heald MCP/CCFD
>
> > -Original Message--
Note I said "like the bible"
Tim Heald MCP/CCFD
> -Original Message-
> From: Dana Tierney [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 1:28 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
>
> A lot like the Bible?
>
&g
d not
> live
> with the jews and christians. It was weird.
>
> Tim Heald MCP/CCFD
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From:Dana Tierney [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Good thing I am not a christian huh?
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> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:12 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
>
> To be fair, there is quite a bit o
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:03 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
>
> I have heard Muslims say not. Do you actually know this for a fact or are
> you just repeating what you have heard?
>
> Dana
>
> On Thu, 29 May 2003 12:42:28
gt; To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
>
> But thats not part of the muslim religion just the culture that has become
> over there.
>
>
>
>
> "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good
> with a bayonet
gt; rape and take as slaves infidels. That's us man.
>
> Tim
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From:William Wheatley [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent:Thursday, May 29, 2003 1:02 PM
>> To: CF-Community
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7;t put that on a resume - it puts people off!"
> Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond"
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> From: "Harkins,Patrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:56
you make funny.
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From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
Keep badmouthing the Bush administration that way, and someone will notice!
Jerry Johnson
>>&g
ociety
where abuse of secular and religious power is rampant...
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>Sent: May 29, 2003 11:59 AM
>To: CF-Community
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>
>But thats not part of the muslim religio
Sent: May 29, 2003 11:59 AM
>To: CF-Community
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>
>
>But thats not part of the muslim religion just the culture
>that has become
>over there.
>
>
>
>
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Archi
mond"
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> I agree. I have a friend from Egypt who says that it's con
Interesting and very well said Michael. I wholeleartedly concur.
-Patrick
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>Sent: May 28, 2003 5:05 PM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
>
>
>Ah. Well, all I can say is
I agree. I have a friend from Egypt who says that it's considered an act of
mercy there to kill someone who is not muslim.
scary stuff...
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>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>Subject: Re:
mine too Bill. It is so tragic
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>From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: May 29, 2003 9:39 AM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
>
>
>True dat. My point was to the anti-women behavior, which is certai
--
> From: "Raymond Camden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:05 PM
> Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
>
>
> > We should not bend our laws because of backward practices of some
ne, "Everybody Loves Raymond"
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From: "Raymond Camden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
> We should not bend our laws beca
I think it is legitimate to question whether this is a legitimate religious
belief. I know it's somethign that crossed my mind.
Dana
On Wed, 28 May 2003 14:54:46 -0400, jon hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What I find worrying is that a copy of the Quran has been entered into
> evidence. I wou
can you tell i want a hamburger right now
& not a religious/political argument??
=]
btw et is out...
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Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
when does beating your child affect weather or not you can get a license to
drive??
any one grow up in a right wing military family & not get hit?
come on..
so what if there are Muslim or Irish...
doesn't matter
equality guys..
e-
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:52 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
After gulf war 1 there was a big thing with the US to gather up all the
equipment. One of the people who was going in was a Jew. He was barred.
Peop
not excusing any thing
but when did society decide what length some one can instruct another in?
i am not for, or against capital punishment.
i just understand it.
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And, according to the article, the place where women aren't allowed to drive ;)
Hatton
> Saudi Arabia. A place I'm not allowed to visit and your not allowed to practice
> your religion (on pain of death)
>
>
> > We should not bend our laws because of backward practices of some
> > religions. I
> There is not law that allows any person to slit a girl's
> throat. The parents only have the right to say she can't get
> married until she is 18 because we place the responsibility
> to raise the child with the parents.
>
> My very first sentence said your rights end where my right to
> lif
???
> that's what this nation is about.
> remember Israel.?>
You mean the country where everyone has to show their face because they may be a
terrorist? Where security is paramount to life? Where no one says jack about
having a drivers license with a picture on it without a veil? That Israel?
Othe
just do affect others with that will.
> -paul
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:35 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
>
>
> Saudi Arabia. A place I'm no
she does seem to have a pattern of using Islam as an excuse in an attempt
to avoid personal responsibility. So this does lead one to wonder if she
isn't up to something.
And she went well beyond hitting; she broke a kid's arm. It takes quite a
bit, as a rule, for children to be removed from a h
You aren't excusing the act are you?
At 06:57 PM 5/28/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>any one grow up in a right wing military family & not get hit?
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Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
> when does beating your child affect weather or not you can get a license
to
> drive??
> any one grow up in a right wing military family & not get hit?
>
> come on..
> so what if there are Muslim
You are correct. I prefer to err on the side of personal freedoms.
At 05:29 PM 5/28/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>yeah I have to think about it too, but this story does seem to cast doubt
>on the sincerity of her beliefs. Now, to ask a slightly different question,
>assuming that this is some sort of cyn
or drivers who use cell phones..
i would like statistics...
dui/cellupArse
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My thinking there, is that she really has other motives for wanting her
face covered. But in reality that is not the debate, but it can affect my
personal opinion of the person, and their credibility.
At 06:57 PM 5/28/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>when does beating your child affect weather or not you
I dont think there is a constitutional right to drive... what about drunk
drivers?
Dana
On Wed, 28 May 2003 15:23:00 -0400, jon hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ah, didn't see it that way. Then I guess the only issue for the judge
> is to decide whether Florida is preventing her free exercise
I was thinking more along the lines of the husband faking IDs.
On Wed, 28 May 2003 18:57:53 -0400, Paul Ihrig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> when does beating your child affect weather or not you can get a license
> to
> drive??
> any one grow up in a right wing military family & not get hit?
>
>
: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 5:23 PM
>> To: CF-Community
>> Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
>>
>> So you draw no lines at all? If the parents said it was ok to slit the
>> girls throat - would that be acceptible as well?
>>
>> Yes, this is extreme,
when does beating your child affect weather or not you can get a license to
drive??
any one grow up in a right wing military family & not get hit?
come on..
so what if there are Muslim or Irish...
doesn't matter
equality guys..
better be ready to support the down & out..
that's what this nation
aymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 5:23 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
>
> So you draw no lines at all? If the parents said it was ok to slit the
> girls throat - would that be acceptible as well?
>
> Yes
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| So are you saying that we should roll back the ban on polygamy? How ab
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> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
>
> So you draw no lines at all? If the parents said it was ok to slit the
> girls throat - would that be acceptible as well?
>
> Yes, this is extreme, but you are saying that they have those rights.
> T
The police can get a search warrant.
> -Original Message-
> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 5:12 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
>
> Like you, playing devil's advocate - situatio
idence?
>>
>> Remember it just Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment
>> of
>> religion or permitting the free exercise thereof. If forcing her to show
>> her
>> face prevents the free exercise of her religion then you can't make her
>> show
>> her
cenario, the veil prevents the
> police from checking to see if she matches the description of the
> criminal.
>
> -rc
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28,
>> 2003 3:00 PM
>> To: CF-Community
ael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:35 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
Saudi Arabia. A place I'm not allowed to visit and your not allowed to
practice
your religion (on pain of death)
> We should not bend our laws because of b
So you draw no lines at all? If the parents said it was ok to slit the
girls throat - would that be acceptible as well?
Yes, this is extreme, but you are saying that they have those rights.
That is simply not true. Our laws, which may come from religous
backgrounds, supercede ALL religions. It do
Wednesday, May 28, 2003, 4:03:14 PM, you wrote:
MM> SO, I am not familiar with the state Constitution of Florida,
You are not missing much...just stuff about the citizens requiring a
monorail, maximum class sizes, and bans on cigarette smoking.
--
jon
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:00 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
>
>
> well here is another way to look at it.
>
>
>Sex with underage girls may well cause harm to the underage girls.
> Letting this woman wear a vei
nk it is sick and disgusting, but they have those rights.
> -Original Message-
> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:08 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
>
> At what point do we say that i
of. If forcing her to
>> show > her
>> > face prevents the free exercise of her religion then you can't make
>> her > show
>> > her face.
>> >
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROT
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment
> of
> religion or permitting the free exercise thereof. If forcing her to show
> her
> face prevents the free exercise of her religion then you can't make her
> show
> her face.
>
>> -----Original Message
ate uses them to pay for the construction and materials for the roads.
> -Original Message-
> From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:03 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
>
> So are you saying tha
an (i.e., a fireman). (And I
> wasn't trying to say America was perfect, so no need for the rah/rah
> stuff. ;)
>
> -rc
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 1:59 PM
> > To: C
Around here they ask you to remove your hat.
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Ihrig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:57 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
>
> Probably no more dangerous then you or any one else
She is putting a veil WHERE?
;-)
Oh, you mean WEAR a veil?
:-)
> Probably no more dangerous then you or any one else on a cell phone.
> i think she should be allowed to where a veil.
>
> bubba can where a hat & beard..
> come on!
>
~~
; face prevents the free exercise of her religion then you
> can't make her
> > show
> > her face.
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:
> Wednesday, May 28,
> >> 2003
> >> 2:55 PM
ilto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 1:59 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
>
>
> Women aren't allowed to drive in SA which makes the point
> moot. Rah, Rah, America for upholding the rights of women,
> relig
; From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:14 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
>
> > Remember it just Congress shall make no law respecting an
> > establishment of religion or permitting the free exercise
gt;
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003
>> 2:55 PM
>> To: CF-Community
>> Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
>>
>> What I find worrying is that a copy of the Quran has been entered into
>&
s Saudi Arabia if I am not mistaken
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:06 PM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
> > >
&
Probably no more dangerous then you or any one else on a cell phone.
i think she should be allowed to where a veil.
bubba can where a hat & beard..
come on!
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a man
who isn't her husband or father?
-rc
>
>
> That was Saudi Arabia if I am not mistaken
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:06 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subje
nice place.NOT
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:35 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
Saudi Arabia. A place I'm not allowed to visit and your not allowed to
practice
your religio
then you can't make her show
her face.
> -Original Message-
> From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:55 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
>
> What I find worrying is that a copy of the Quran has been entered in
That was Saudi Arabia if I am not mistaken
> -Original Message-
> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:06 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
>
> We should not bend our laws because of backw
n to death... to protect her chastity?
> -rc
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Harkins,Patrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:44 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
> >
> >
> > Well s
esn't she simply take a bus
>> then?
>>
>> RC> -rc
>>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:31 PM
>> >> To: CF-Community
>> >&g
nal Message-
> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:14 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
>
> > Remember it just Congress shall make no law respecting an
> > establishment of religion or permittin
> Remember it just Congress shall make no law respecting an
> establishment of religion or permitting the free exercise
> thereof. If forcing her to show her face prevents the free
> exercise of her religion then you can't make her show her face.
>
Two arguments to this:
a) Does she have the r
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> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
>
>
> Well she is better off fighting this than getting beaten or
> killed by her husband or family members for disobeying... The
> anaerobic kind of mindset behind that cultural practice makes
> my blood boi
free exercise thereof. If forcing her to show her
face prevents the free exercise of her religion then you can't make her show
her face.
> -Original Message-
> From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:55 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re:
8, 2003 2:31 PM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: Makes you shake your head.
>
>
>I can't believe this woman was allowed to take a driver's
>license photo with
>a veil in the first place. Additionally, if she wants to take
>the photo
>veiled, does that mean she'
you have the consitutional
RC> right to get a drivers license? Why doesn't she simply take a bus then?
RC> -rc
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:31 PM
>> To: CF-Community
>>
This makes me shake my head...
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/05/27/peterson.hearing/index.html
Hope none of their evidence it based off those calls...
At 01:31 PM 5/28/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>I can't believe this woman was allowed to take a driver's license photo with
>a veil in the first place.
PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Makes you shake your head.
I can't believe this woman was allowed to take a driver's license photo with
a veil in the first place. Additionally, if she wants to take the photo
veiled, does that mean she'll be driving veiled too. Isn't that just
mmunity
> Subject: Makes you shake your head.
>
>
> I can't believe this woman was allowed to take a driver's
> license photo with a veil in the first place. Additionally,
> if she wants to take the photo veiled, does that mean she'll
> be driving veiled too
I can't believe this woman was allowed to take a driver's license photo with
a veil in the first place. Additionally, if she wants to take the photo
veiled, does that mean she'll be driving veiled too. Isn't that just a tad
bit dangerous
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/05/28/license.veil.ap/ind
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