Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-19 Thread Jerry Barnes
"He was pretty f'ck up in both his early and later careers. And there were plenty of indications." Yes there were. Unfortunately, the draconian Treaty of Versailles created so much animosity in Germany that he was able to gain power, though he did not surpass 50% in the popular vote when he was

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-16 Thread Larry C. Lyons
One of the better psychological analyses of Hitler was an OSS report from WW2. It was later made into the book The Mind of Adolf Hitler by Walter C. Langer. http://www.amazon.com/The-Mind-Adolf-Hitler-Meridian/dp/0452010578/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331915750&sr=1-1 He was pretty f'ck up in

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-16 Thread Judah McAuley
I went back and looked and Huckabee was running for Senate in 1992 (he lost). The statements came up in his answering a big questionnaire from the AP during his election run. Those questions came back up and became more prominently pushed out in the media when he ran for President in 2008. He reit

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-16 Thread GMoney
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > I, too, remember the fear. I'm sorry to hear about your Aunt, I can > imagine how horrible that would be for a kid of 9 to know but not know > at the same time. The thing about Huckabee's statements, however, is > that they came during the

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-15 Thread Judah McAuley
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 8:29 AM, GMoney wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > >> The quarantine of people with AIDS though is the one that has always stuck >> with me as being particularly cruel. >> > > Looking back now, that certainly seems cruel...but I remember th

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-15 Thread Dana
good point but this brings us back to the difference between a politician with some power to make things happen and your next door neighbor (especially if he's nine years old). Was Huckabee governor when he proposed this? On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 8:29 AM, GMoney wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 a

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-15 Thread GMoney
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > The quarantine of people with AIDS though is the one that has always stuck > with me as being particularly cruel. > Looking back now, that certainly seems cruel...but I remember the fear that permeated through this country in the early day

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-15 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I am pretty sure Hitler came across as pretty neurotic even in his private life ;) " Hitler was neurotic in his private life. He did not come across as neurotic in his early career though. Plenty of world leaders and public figures, including W. E. B. Dubois and FDR, thought he was a okay.

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-15 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I was just ruminating further on who Romney might pick as VP and I'm starting to wonder about Huckabee." That would be an interesting dark horse candidate. I don't think it will happen, but it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility. "Not the most exciting ticket in the world, but who

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-15 Thread Dana
.com> wrote: > > Yeah...they are nice guys in the same way I am sure Hitler and Mussolini > were nice guys... > > -Original Message- > From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:20 PM > To: cf-community > Subj

RE: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-15 Thread Eric Roberts
Yeah...they are nice guys in the same way I am sure Hitler and Mussolini were nice guys... -Original Message- From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:20 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: 2012 Predictions I remember that last time he ran for

RE: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-15 Thread Eric Roberts
Huckabee moderate? -Original Message- From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:23 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: 2012 Predictions I was just ruminating further on who Romney might pick as VP and I'm starting to wonder about Huckabee.

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-15 Thread Dana
ah yeah, I remember that now. I agree about Santorum, by the way -- I was just thinking earlier tonight that I would probably like him if he was my neighbor or if I met him in some other context where his wierd ideas about women would not affect my life. As a politician he's dangerous though. Visi

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-14 Thread Judah McAuley
I remember that last time he ran for President, it came up that he had prominently advocated, in the 90s, for the quarantine of people with AIDS. He's also equated homosexuality with bestiality, called for a federal ban on abortion, called for a faith-based interpretation of the Constitution, etc.

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-14 Thread Dana
really? I had him pegged as kind of a nice guy. Not a lot of thought went into that, so I'm not doubting you, but if you have an example or two handy I'd appreciate it. thanks D On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:34 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > I would put Huckabee pretty far out on the crazy relig

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-14 Thread Judah McAuley
Huckabee is certainly a bit of a religious wackjob but if you watch him on The Daily Show, you'll see that he 1) hides it well and 2) comes off as really likeable. That is quite the contrast to Santorum. Especially when it comes to the VP spot, the actual beliefs matter a lot less than how well it

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-14 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
I would put Huckabee pretty far out on the crazy religious nutbag limb standing pretty close to Santorum. He got pretty hateful and vengeful and evangelistic following his loss in the last election. I remember it seemed to me at the time that the smiling guy was a mask, with an intensely bitter

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-14 Thread Judah McAuley
I was just ruminating further on who Romney might pick as VP and I'm starting to wonder about Huckabee. He's personable (I remember seeing him on The Daily Show and was impressed by how he handled himself) and while he is fairly moderate, his status as minister serves to placate the religious righ

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-13 Thread Sam
The movement is over, isn't it? . On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:47 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > Pretty much. However, the movement has been co-opted now. > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-C

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Most tea party folks are libertarians and they were peaceful. All the bs about them being like the occupy assholes has been thoroughly debunked." Pretty much. However, the movement has been co-opted now. J - Tainting the tea party movement with the charge of racism is proving to be an effecti

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-13 Thread Sam
Most tea party folks are libertarians and they were peaceful. All the bs about them being like the occupy assholes has been thoroughly debunked. . On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:10 PM, GMoney wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > >> >> "Occupy and the Tea Party both sta

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-13 Thread GMoney
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Occupy and the Tea Party both started out with great ideals but have both > been > ruined because they allowed the biggest nutters on both sides to gain > control > of the movement(s)." > That was inevitable. When you have a group who's

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I think Mitt gets the GOP nod but he chooses Tim Pawlenty for the Veep spot. Allen West is an interesting choice and would give Biden a run for gaffs but I think that after a long primary of tacking hard right to try and appeal to primary voters, Romney will have to chose a more centrist VP to re

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Occupy and the Tea Party both started out with great ideals but have both been ruined because they allowed the biggest nutters on both sides to gain control of the movement(s)." Or special interest groups - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kis

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-13 Thread Larry C. Lyons
the-time-traveler-vote/2012/03/12/gIQADUvz7R_blog.html > > -Original Message- > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 2:47 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: 2012 Predictions > > > Missing a line it should read The 5

RE: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-12 Thread Eric Roberts
-community Subject: Re: 2012 Predictions Missing a line it should read The 5 independents have the balance of power. Reason is restored in the House. On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > Didn't I say that? > > My predictions will be simpler, > > Obama will win

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Missing a line it should read The 5 independents have the balance of power. Reason is restored in the House. On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > Didn't I say that? > > My predictions will be simpler, > > Obama will win (although it will be close). Joe Biden stays as VP. > Th

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Didn't I say that? My predictions will be simpler, Obama will win (although it will be close). Joe Biden stays as VP. The Democratic Party retains the senate, and gains 3 seats. Because of the new session Harry Reid changes the rules to let simple majorities override filibusters. Republican Part

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-12 Thread Sam
Different programs. Wide Receiver lost 450 guns because of failure of RFID tags and problems with the Mexican Government. So the operation was cancelled. Fast and Furious was purely criminal. . On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > The irritating thing is that Fast and Fu

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-12 Thread Dana
I know. Still. It's hard to cast the current administration as the victim when by definition they have more political power than most of the other players. I realize that this leaves out the power of money to make things happen or not happen, but the bully pulpit is kind of important too. On Mon,

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Well consider how often such reasonable controls are squelched, such as restriction on purchasing more than one firearm a month. And look who does the squelching. There are reasonable solutions, but either the political will is not there, or these solutions are blocked by vested interests. On Mo

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-12 Thread Dana
pretty much. In an analogous situation, the economy is still a problem even if it's an inherited problem, and it matters that Obama took some of the steps he did. He got handed a tough problem, sure, but he didn't resolve it very well. By comparison, how hard is it to stop selling guns to Mexican

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-12 Thread Judah McAuley
It was a bad idea when it was started as well. I don't think Holder deserves blame for starting in since he didn't start it. He does deserve blame for continuing it though. A bad idea is still a bad idea regardless of who started it. Judah On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
The irritating thing is that Fast and Furious was a part of Project Gunrunner. The ATF began Project Gunrunner as a pilot project in Laredo, Texas, in 2005 and expanded it as a national initiative in 2006. So Holder, who btw did a great job as the DC AG, has to take the blame for a Bush initiated

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-12 Thread Judah McAuley
I think Mitt gets the GOP nod but he chooses Tim Pawlenty for the Veep spot. Allen West is an interesting choice and would give Biden a run for gaffs but I think that after a long primary of tacking hard right to try and appeal to primary voters, Romney will have to chose a more centrist VP to rea

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-12 Thread Cameron Childress
Yawn. On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Sam wrote: > > Fine, lets leave it at you made that shit up about the Tea-Party and be > done. > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthol

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-12 Thread Sam
Fine, lets leave it at you made that shit up about the Tea-Party and be done. . On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Sam wrote: > >> When you make accusations you can't back up then walking away is your >> best option. >> > > Meh - I si

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-12 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Sam wrote: > When you make accusations you can't back up then walking away is your > best option. > Meh - I simply don't care to have the conversation with you. Having it doesn't prove anything to you, to me, or to anyone else reading it. It's a complete waste

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-12 Thread Sam
When you make accusations you can't back up then walking away is your best option. . On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Sam wrote: > >> Can you be more specific. >> >> None of those link to any extreme Tea-partier actions. > > > I'd p

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-12 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Sam wrote: > Can you be more specific. > > None of those link to any extreme Tea-partier actions. I'd prefer to just skip to the end of this conversation - me walking away from it. -Cameron ... ~~~

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-12 Thread Sam
Can you be more specific. None of those link to any extreme Tea-partier actions. . On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Sam wrote: > >> Twin? >> >> Examples of extreme Tea-party folks? >> > > http://bit.ly/vXmbCp > > Occupy and the T

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-12 Thread GMoney
Compared to many conservatives, and certainly to the remaining GOP candidates, Romney would be considered comparatively progressive. Romney is a smart guy, and he's doing what he needs to get the nomination.but I don't think he's a dyed in the wool conservative, not by a long shot, and I don'

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-12 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Sam wrote: > Twin? > > Examples of extreme Tea-party folks? > http://bit.ly/vXmbCp Occupy and the Tea Party both started out with great ideals but have both been ruined because they allowed the biggest nutters on both sides to gain control of the movement(s).

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-12 Thread Sam
Twin? Examples of extreme Tea-party folks? . On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Sam wrote: > >> They can't, rape murder, prejudice and living in squalor just does't >> sit well with them. > > > I think that the twin on the conserv

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-12 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Brian Thornton wrote: > The occupy ny guys have only 15k left after they account for 70k they are > saving for bail for protesters bail for what they call an "American Spring" > compared to an Arab Spring of last year... Ah. People love to hijack vocabulary and

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-12 Thread Brian Thornton
The occupy ny guys have only 15k left after they account for 70k they are saving for bail for protesters bail for what they call an "American Spring" compared to an Arab Spring of last year... On Mar 12, 2012 11:18 AM, "Cameron Childress" wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Brian Thornt

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-12 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Sam wrote: > They can't, rape murder, prejudice and living in squalor just does't > sit well with them. I think that the twin on the conservative side is more extreme tea party folks. and they are capable of just as much nuttery as Occupy. -Cameron

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-12 Thread Sam
They can't, rape murder, prejudice and living in squalor just does't sit well with them. . On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > Especially since the conservative side of > the country now has to show that they also can "pull an occupy off". > ~

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-12 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Brian Thornton wrote: > Seconded... And will the shortfall of cash by the occupy movement, an > "American Spring" will be larger Not even sure what that means. -Cameron ... ~| Order the

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-12 Thread Brian Thornton
Seconded... And will the shortfall of cash by the occupy movement, an "American Spring" will be larger On Mar 12, 2012 11:05 AM, "Cameron Childress" wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 4:06 PM, PT wrote: > > > > On 3/9/2012 7:31 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > > There will be huge riots in Char

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-12 Thread Cameron Childress
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 4:06 PM, PT wrote: > > On 3/9/2012 7:31 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > There will be huge riots in Charlotte during the DNC. > > I kind of doubt this. Charlotte will be too excited that they are > getting 'big city' attention. I predict they will use the revenue to > launc

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-12 Thread Jerry Barnes
"maybe, but the crowd makes all the difference." For this particular quote, Soros followed up specifically with comments on VP. "Romney would have to take Gingrich or Santorum as a vice president and you probably have some pretty extreme candidates for the Supreme Court." - George Soros I real

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-11 Thread PT
On 3/11/2012 7:54 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > I posted a link of a change in a law regarding knowingly and willfully. > The change will allow authorities to jail anyone, even if the person > didn't know they were trespassing whereas the old wording meant they had to > show that the person willful

RE: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-11 Thread Eric Roberts
Obama...progressive? LOLOLOLLOLOLOL -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 6:47 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: 2012 Predictions "wait what? oh sorry... I thought you just called Mitt Romney a progressive." I d

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-11 Thread Dana
maybe, but the crowd makes all the difference. What's with the 4-5 quotes per email, anyway. You need to make sure you get them all in? > If it’s between Obama and Romney, there isn’t all that much difference > except for the crowd that they bring with them. - George Soros 2012

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-11 Thread Jerry Barnes
"When will people learn that the more you try to shut someone up, the worse you make it?" Exactly. That's why I think there will be riots on the streets of Charlotte. "Those weapons should be disclosed too. It's public money augmenting apublicly funded service to "protect" people with public

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-11 Thread Jerry Barnes
"wait what? oh sorry... I thought you just called Mitt Romney a progressive." I did. Not as progressive as Obama, but not many could be. "My bad most likely." Definitely. Even Romney and Soros agree. I think the old standby definitions of who votes for which party have been blown away in

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-11 Thread PT
On 3/11/2012 5:18 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > I live in NC. You should read about the ordinances Charlotte is ramrodding > through in order to prevent any kind of occupy presence. Can't help but > think that isn't going to help. When will people learn that the more you try to shut someone up, the

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-11 Thread Dana
wait what? oh sorry... I thought you just called Mitt Romney a progressive. My bad most likely. On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "I kind of doubt this. Charlotte will be too excited that they are getting > 'big city' attention. I predict they will use the revenue to la

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-11 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I kind of doubt this. Charlotte will be too excited that they are getting 'big city' attention. I predict they will use the revenue to launch some other stupid venture in a misguided attempt to act like one." I live in NC. You should read about the ordinances Charlotte is ramrodding through i

Re: 2012 Predictions

2012-03-11 Thread PT
On 3/9/2012 7:31 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > Just for fun, I thought I would throw out some prognostications for the > remainder of the year. It's all in fun and they may be completely wrong. > Feel free to chime in with your own. > > There will be huge riots in Charlotte during the DNC. I kin