Disagree with you both on that one. Demand for some products is
inelastic.
Yes. You are correct. People have to buy food, pay for clothes, etc.
However, they can spend less on those items. Women can put off buying a
Coach handbag for a month or two. Men can wait on buying the newest
What's to keep the uber-rich, for example, from buying their consumer goods
in the Bahamas or someplace with no sales tax?
Tariffs.
J
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The problem is not that people are taxed too little, the problem is that
government spends too much. - Ronald Reagan
Gas and cigarettes already heavily taxed.
And alcohol. And tanning beds.
J
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GIBSON: All right. You have, however, said you would favor an increase in
the capital gains tax. As a matter of fact, you said on CNBC, and I quote,
I certainly would not go above what existed under Bill Clinton,
excluding food would make it somewhat less regressive. I don't want to say
what a good idea, though, when the devil is in that sort of detail.
There are plenty of regressive taxes in place now.
As mentioned before, the gas, tobacco, alcohol, and tanning bed taxes are
all regressive taxes.
How about we illegally purge voters from the rolls within 90 days of an
election, ignore injunctions to stop illegal behavior, use flawed and
prejudicial algorithms as the basis for the purge and ignore all the people
who point out the very much alive and eligible voters that we've
excluding food would make it somewhat less regressive. I don't want to
say what a good idea, though, when the devil is in that sort of
detail. Depending on what exactly is being taxed, though, and how, it
might be fairer than what we have now. Although that is a very low bar
;)
What's to keep
This is not just sometime I thought up in the last ten minutes.
Smarter people than me have been working on the National Sales Tax for
a long time. They've worked out most of these details. I think if
you actually read up on it, you would find it substantially fairer
than what we have now.
As
I have read up on it, and had a couple of long discussions with
Cameron about it. In the proposal he was talking about the sales tax
supposedly gets rebated below a certain income level, which seems
intrusive and bureaucratic.
But maybe it felt like I was putting you on the spot; this was not my
Just a heads up.
You can't disagree with someone in your killfile.
That would make you look like an idiot.
..
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 1:28 AM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote:
Disagree with you both on that one. Demand for some products is
Being a former smoker...it might even make them buy more...
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From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 12:53 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Brown Shirts Wannabes on the Move
Every single proposal for a national sales tax excludes food
The government would have the 200 million in taxes instead of the
politicians?
And the government would be ran by the politicians put into office by
Soros. At this point now, politicians use tax dollars to pay off
their contributors/cronies. It would be ten times worse under your revised
It would pay for a telescope or two...
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote:
The government would have the 200 million in taxes instead of the
politicians?
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com
wrote:
Still so the Koch
First, there is no way the super-rich are going to admit they owe
taxes or pay any more than they absolutely have to. But if in some
alternate reality that happened, If Soros actually paid 200 million,
so would the Koch Brothers, and they would cancel each other out.
You'd have the taxpaying
First, there is no way the super-rich are going to admit they owe taxes or
pay any more than they absolutely have to.
I think we can agree on that. Makes it amusing to watch politicians talk
about raising the taxes on the wealthy since they will end up avoiding the
new taxes by various means.
I agree 100%. And it cannot happen too soon.
On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
Anyway, the only true fair tax would be a national sales tax. No loop
holes to jump through and everyone pays. Also, a built in mechanism to
punish bad government. Reduced
Disagree with you both on that one. Demand for some products is
inelastic. You can be as angry as angry gets and you will still need
to buy food, for example. Gas is a necessity in most rural areas as
well as in some urban ones, for another. Addicts will still buy
cigarettes no matter what, for a
Every single proposal for a national sales tax excludes food. Gas and
cigarettes already heavily taxed.
Addicts will likely buy cigarettes regardless of how mad they are at
the government.
However, everyone will pay the sales tax, including all of those in
the black market economy who
OK that sounds like a very fast track to either living in even more of
a plutocracy than we have now, or almost a guarantee of a military
dictatorship.
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 1:08 AM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote:
I think only taxpayers should be allowed to vote. You get one vote
for
no, because all the corporate campaign donors we deal with now mostly don't
pay taxes. I don't like the idea because people who are too poor to pay
taxes are affected by laws even if they aren't paying to enforce them. But
it might be marginally more fair than the current system.
On Fri, Jun 8,
Of course you have the right to not vote and it is disingenuous to suggest
I said otherwise.
I don't recall suggesting that. I just said it's a right. It may even be
a civic duty to not vote if one is not happy with any of the candidates.
It is also, in my opinion, entirely wrong to
How about we illegally purge voters from the rolls within 90 days of an
election, ignore injunctions to stop illegal behavior, use flawed and
prejudicial algorithms as the basis for the purge and ignore all the people
who point out the very much alive and eligible voters that we've
I think only taxpayers should be allowed to vote. You get one vote for
each dollar you pay in taxes.
I have argued for years that only land owners should be allowed to vote on
local bonds since property taxes end up paying for the bonds.
I have also argued that those on federal assistance
Wouldn't that favor things on the rich's side like we have now?
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From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 12:08 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Brown Shirts Wannabes on the Move
I think only taxpayers should be allowed to vote. You
It would force those who currently have power to actually pay their
fair share, and allow those of us who actually pay for the system to
have more say over how the money gets spent.
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 6:25 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
OK that sounds like a very fast
have now?
-Original Message-
From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 12:08 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Brown Shirts Wannabes on the Move
I think only taxpayers should be allowed to vote. You get one vote for each
dollar you pay in taxes
Nope cause they would get half the votes on the joint return.
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
However, I do not endorse having to pay taxes to vote. Really wronging
stay at home Moms who are often more valuable than many white collar
workers
like we have now?
-Original Message-
From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 12:08 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Brown Shirts Wannabes on the Move
I think only taxpayers should be allowed to vote. You get one vote for each
dollar you pay in taxes
:27 AM, Eric Roberts
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
Wouldn't that favor things on the rich's side like we have now?
-Original Message-
From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 12:08 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Brown Shirts Wannabes
on the rich's side like we have now?
-Original Message-
From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 12:08 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Brown Shirts Wannabes on the Move
I think only taxpayers should be allowed to vote. You get one vote for
each
Still so the Koch brothers decide that the best way to get rid of Obama is
to spend 200 million in extra taxes, and get their friends and those
beholden to them to do something similar. How is that different from buying
an election?
Yep. Or Soros spending 200 million to do the same.
One vote
The government would have the 200 million in taxes instead of the politicians?
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
Still so the Koch brothers decide that the best way to get rid of
Obama is to spend 200 million in extra taxes, and get their friends
Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through
our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that
democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.' --
Isaac Asimov
And lately I've been running into a lot of people who fervently
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
Not only have intellectuals been insulated from material consequences, they
have often enjoyed immunity from even a loss of reputation after having
been demonstrably wrong - Thomas Sowell
Hilariously true since Sowell,
Hilariously true since Sowell, himself, is a brilliant example of just that
point. Glad he seems to know it.
Just what I was saying. Just because someone is an intellectual, it
doesn't mean they are always right.
It doesn't matter if the intellectual is on the left, in the middle, or
on the
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
Scott Walker Supporter Arrested At Bill Clinton
Rally
http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/scott-walker-supporter-arrested-at-bill-clinton-ra
A
wow, last thread on HOF in over a day... Good job Jerry!
he probably broke it.
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 9:38 PM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
Scott Walker Supporter Arrested At Bill Clinton
Rally
This is a bad thing?
In the case mentioned, my humble opinion is yes.
You can damn well bet that I badger friends, family and neighbors about
voting. It's not only your right, it's your civic duty.
There is a big difference in annoying your circle to vote and threatening
to publish their names
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 7:01 AM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
You can damn well bet that I badger friends, family and neighbors about
voting. It's not only your right, it's your civic duty.
There is a big difference in annoying your circle to vote and threatening
to publish their
nothing like hanging around the outside of a presidential speech with rifles
etc - that the tea baggers did so often in 2010. Classy
Did they break the law? If so, they should be arrested. If not, so what?
Speaking of class:
Kill Scott Walker: Angry libs flood Twitter with death threats
How about a non voter's tax. 5% of your income for each time you did not
vote in national or state elections in the previous year. Otherwise a wall
of shame where the photos of those who do not vote are publicized, and
mocked.
Just to show how ridiculous this is, let's consider a .5% tax to
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
How about a non voter's tax. 5% of your income for each time you did not
vote in national or state elections in the previous year. Otherwise a wall
of shame where the photos of those who do not vote are publicized, and
I think only taxpayers should be allowed to vote. You get one vote
for each dollar you pay in taxes.
Oh, and those who serve in the military get votes and don't have to
pay taxes ever.
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
How about a non voter's tax. 5% of
If we can't win you with ideas, we'll just beat you, intimidate you,
shame you, or something else. It's going to be one hell of an
election season.
Elections? Shoot, turn on the TV... you just described nearly every
corporate marketing department in the world.
-Justi
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 6:39 AM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
This is an effort to shame and pressure people about voting, and it is
truly despicable, Althouse added.
This is a bad thing? You can damn well bet that I badger friends,
family and neighbors about voting. It's not only
nothing like hanging around the outside of a presidential speech with
rifles etc - that the tea baggers did so often in 2010. Classy
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Justin Scott leviat...@darktech.org wrote:
If we can't win you with ideas, we'll just beat you, intimidate you,
shame you, or
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:
This is a bad thing? You can damn well bet that I badger friends,
family and neighbors about voting. It's not only your right, it's your
civic duty.
Antonin Scalia has come out and said that not only is there no
How about a non voter's tax. 5% of your income for each time you did
not vote in national or state elections in the previous year.
Otherwise a wall of shame where the photos of those who do not vote
are publicized, and mocked.
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:02 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:
Be careful what you wish for. All those people who don't vote - how sure
are you that they make good decisions?
-Cameron
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote:
How about a non voter's tax. 5% of your income for each time you did not
vote in national or
Be careful what you wish for. All those people who don't vote - how
sure are you that they make good decisions?
Indeed... I know people who don't vote but they also don't bother to
make themselves knowledgeable about issues or candidates, so it's
probably better that they don't. On the other
Reminds me of one of my fovourite quotes:
Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way
through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion
that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your
knowledge.'
-- Isaac Asimov
And lately I've been
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote:
Reminds me of one of my fovourite quotes:
Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way
through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion
that democracy means that 'my
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