"nice bit of propaganda but typically data and evidence free."
Propaganda? You don't think a lobbyist group can't influence legislation?
"citations please."
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=ysF&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=X&ei=XQkWTsHVB6m20AG8g6RW&ved=0CBkQvwUoAQ&q
nice bit of propaganda but typically data and evidence free.
citations please.
>
>Helmet laws were usually pushed into place by the huge insurance industry
>lobby. The governments didn't give a damn about personal safety.
>
~
"At some point it just seems like it's not the government's business and if
we decide it is, where's the line?"
Helmet laws were usually pushed into place by the huge insurance industry
lobby. The governments didn't give a damn about personal safety.
J
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Ninety percent of politicians give the
This topic seems like an opportunity for a new tax! You don't want to wear
a helmet, fantastic, just pay the yearly I-don't-want-to-wear-a-helmet tax
when you register your bike. And don't forget
the I-don't-want-to-wear-a-helmet insurance that is required too. Sorry,
the rates are so high but
Both my mother and my partner's mother have dementia, which requires a
much higher level of care than someone in a vegetative state. His
mother, who is California, costs about 7 grand a month. My mother,
who is in Georgia, costs roughly half that, although her condition is
worse. Dan's mother i
I just remember reading about that being a big factor in why it should be
required.
-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:56 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Dawrin Award Winner
I guess I do not know enough about how insurance
G Money wrote:
>
> That's interesting stuff.
> I know drinking causes umpteen millions, and maybe billions, in health
> spending every year.but damnit, I want to be able to drink, so i'm
> willing to pay the bill for a little freedom.
>
VERY interesting point - I never thought of it that way
-
> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:07 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Dawrin Award Winner
>
>
> Unless all of these motorcyclists were under Medicare or Medicaid, I am not
> sure I see how this costs 'us' any mo
>Unless all of these motorcyclists were under Medicare or Medicaid, I
>am not sure I see how this costs 'us' any more money than any other
>disease/injury.
>
>
>>
You want to know how fast you can burn through a million? Just look at how much
it costs to maintain someone in a persistent vegitativ
It increases insurance rates.
-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:07 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Dawrin Award Winner
Unless all of these motorcyclists were under Medicare or Medicaid, I am not
sure I see how this costs
Unless all of these motorcyclists were under Medicare or Medicaid, I
am not sure I see how this costs 'us' any more money than any other
disease/injury.
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Larry Lyons wrote:
>
> The first study I mentioned noted that following Pennsylvania's repeal non
> helmet rel
It is if you divide the amount spent by the number of taxpayers.
Probably more like a few cents.
Personally, I think anyone who rides a motorcycle without a helmet is
already brain dead, but I don't think it is my place to require them
to wear one.
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Larry Lyons wr
The first study I mentioned noted that following Pennsylvania's repeal non
helmet related head injuries went up over 42 percent. Here's the rest of the
quote:
The number of head-injured, hospitalized motorcyclists requiring further care
at facilities specializing in rehabilitation and long-ter
>> So motorcycles riders who don't wear helmets cost the rest of us a lot. Its
>> not a
>> matter o free choice, rather its a matter of public health and safety. Those
>> who
>> object maybe should also be objecting to the Typhoid Mary laws that exist for
>> public health. After all its your per
That's interesting stuff.
Question: How much would I be willing to pay for particular freedoms,
including paying for other people's freedom?
Just because not having a law may cost me a few extra cents in tax dollars
as an American citizen, doesn't necessarily mean I should support the law.
Espec
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Larry Lyons wrote:
> So motorcycles riders who don't wear helmets cost the rest of us a lot. Its
> not a
> matter o free choice, rather its a matter of public health and safety. Those
> who
> object maybe should also be objecting to the Typhoid Mary laws that exi
Here's some data from a study by NHTSA that's very revealing. I'm reproducing
the Exec summary here:
(http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811208.PDF)
The combined data set contains information on 104,472 motorcyclists involved in
crashes in these 18 States during the years 2003, 2004, and 2005.
>The most expensive insurance claim related to a motorcycle accident
>involves a woman who fell from the back of the cycle and was dragged
>down the road because her jeans got caught on the kickstand. She
>spent months in the hospital having multiple operations to reconstruct
>her pelvic region,
The problem used to be that the plastic helmet would wear down a bit,
if dragged against pavement, until a certain point and then stop short
snapping the users neck. I'm sure technology has fixed that problem by
now.
.
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 9:29 AM, G Money wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Eric Roberts <
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> No..The point is that the costs of all the bashed skulls would be a drain.
> The one instance of butt/private bits scraping would not be enough to be
> considered a drain because it was a one off whereas th
but
I can imagine that it is pretty common).
-Original Message-
From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 11:43 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Dawrin Award Winner
Moot. If the law is correct, even once is too many times.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:40 PM,
Here is what I do nto understand about the helmet laws for those who
ride motorcycles.
In those states that have these laws, you can hop on your motorcycle
in a pair of shorts and a t-shirt, but as long as you are wearing a
helmet, you are 'safer' - even though the rest of your body has no
protec
Message-
> From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 11:15 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Dawrin Award Winner
>
>
> The most expensive insurance claim related to a motorcycle accident involves
> a woman who fell from the bac
The argument there...how many times has that happened as opposed to the
number of people with mushed skulls because they didn't have helmets.
-Original Message-
From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 11:15 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: D
I understand the issue. But then why require seat belt use? I am not
really comfortable arguing either side of this debate. One of the
things I don't like about Canada is the mentality that personal health
choices can be politically incorrect because they affect the
collective public health. Shive
The most expensive insurance claim related to a motorcycle accident
involves a woman who fell from the back of the cycle and was dragged
down the road because her jeans got caught on the kickstand. She
spent months in the hospital having multiple operations to reconstruct
her pelvic region, and r
I want to agree. On the other hand, when a motorcyclist comes in to
the ER with massive head injuries, it's not going to get shrugged off
as a consequence of a bad choice, too bad. So there's a social
interest. On the *third* hand, if you extrapolate from that logic, the
government should regulate
Jerry Barnes wrote:
> Actor Gary Busey, who was not wearing a helmet when he was nearly killed in
> a motorcycle crash three years ago, on Friday urged all state legislatures
> to pass mandatory helmet laws.
>
I'm not a biker and if I was I'd definitely wear a helmet, but a big
part of me doesn'
Probably was a real downer for the rest of the rally.
And as a blast from the past:
Gary Busey Urges States to Pass Helmet Laws
December 14, 1991
Actor Gary Busey, who was not wearing a helmet when he was nearly killed in
a motorcycle crash three years ago, on Friday urged all state legislature
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Justin Scott wrote:
>
> > Darwin Award Winner of the Day: A man taking part in a
> > protest against mandatory helmet laws died after losing
> > control of his motorcycle and striking his helmet-less
> > head on the pavement.
>
> That's one of the great and terrib
> Darwin Award Winner of the Day: A man taking part in a
> protest against mandatory helmet laws died after losing
> control of his motorcycle and striking his helmet-less
> head on the pavement.
That's one of the great and terrible things about living in a mostly
free society. You have the righ
Yeah I saw this. Kinda sad.
Yeah. I see the humor though...^_^
On 4 July 2011 09:36, Larry Lyons wrote:
>
> Darwin Award Winner of the Day: A man taking part in a protest against
> mandatory helmet laws died after losing control of his motorcycle and
> striking his helmet-less head on the pavem
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