Raymond
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From: Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
We should not bend our laws because of backward practices of some
religions. I agree 100% about the blood
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To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
We should not bend our laws because of backward practices of some
religions. I agree 100% about the blood boiling. I remember
reading a
story a few months
mine too Bill. It is so tragic
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From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: May 29, 2003 9:39 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
True dat. My point was to the anti-women behavior, which is certainly
_not_ something all Muslims
I agree. I have a friend from Egypt who says that it's considered an act of
mercy there to kill someone who is not muslim.
scary stuff...
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Sent: May 28, 2003 9:52 PM
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Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head
Interesting and very well said Michael. I wholeleartedly concur.
-Patrick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: May 28, 2003 5:05 PM
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Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
Ah. Well, all I can say is that the bottom line of any
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From: Harkins,Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:56 AM
Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
I agree. I have a friend from Egypt who says that it's considered an act
of
mercy there to kill someone who is not muslim.
scary stuff
, 2003 11:59 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
But thats not part of the muslim religion just the culture
that has become
over there.
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of secular and religious power is rampant...
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From: William Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: May 29, 2003 11:59 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
But thats not part of the muslim religion just the culture
that has become
over
you make funny.
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From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:15 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
Keep badmouthing the Bush administration that way, and someone will notice!
Jerry Johnson
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From: Harkins,Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:56 AM
Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
I agree. I have a friend from Egypt who says that it's considered an act
of
mercy there to kill someone
infidels. That's us man.
Tim
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From:William Wheatley [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:Thursday, May 29, 2003 1:02 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
But thats not part of the muslim religion just the culture that has
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But thats not part of the muslim religion just the culture that has become
over there.
When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good
with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!
Frank Barone
: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:03 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
I have heard Muslims say not. Do you actually know this for a fact or are
you just repeating what you have heard?
Dana
On Thu, 29 May 2003 12:42:28 -0400, Heald, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let
Good thing I am not a christian huh?
Tim Heald MCP/CCFD
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From: Ian Skinner [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:12 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
To be fair, there is quite a bit of that eye for an eye stuff
. It was weird.
Tim Heald MCP/CCFD
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From:Dana Tierney [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:03 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
I have heard Muslims say not. Do you actually know this for a fact or
are you
Note I said like the bible
Tim Heald MCP/CCFD
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From: Dana Tierney [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 1:28 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
A lot like the Bible?
On Thu, 29 May 2003 13:05:23 -0400, Heald, Tim
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Note I said like the bible
Tim Heald MCP/CCFD
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that on a resume - it puts people off!
Frank Barone, Everybody Loves Raymond
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Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
Note I said like the bible
Tim Heald
Why would this even be going to trial? Do you have the consitutional
right to get a drivers license? Why doesn't she simply take a bus then?
-rc
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From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:31 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Makes
And what if when pulled over, she is asked to show her face to see if it
matches some description, are her civil rights violated? This is the most
asinine thing I have heard in a long time.
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From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:31
This makes me shake my head...
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/05/27/peterson.hearing/index.html
Hope none of their evidence it based off those calls...
At 01:31 PM 5/28/2003 -0500, you wrote:
I can't believe this woman was allowed to take a driver's license photo with
a veil in the first place.
What I find worrying is that a copy of the Quran has been entered into
evidence. I would think that it would be plainly obvious by now to
everyone that basing a court decision in any manner on a religious
belief is not allowed anywhere in the US.
I'm not sure about the process, but I think the
Well she is better off fighting this than getting beaten or killed by her
husband or family members for disobeying...
The anaerobic kind of mindset behind that cultural practice makes my blood
boil...
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From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: May 28, 2003 2:31
exercise thereof. If forcing her to show her
face prevents the free exercise of her religion then you can't make her show
her face.
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From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:55 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head
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Well she is better off fighting this than getting beaten or
killed by her husband or family members for disobeying... The
anaerobic kind of mindset behind that cultural practice makes
my blood boil...
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From: Marlon Moyer
Remember it just Congress shall make no law respecting an
establishment of religion or permitting the free exercise
thereof. If forcing her to show her face prevents the free
exercise of her religion then you can't make her show her face.
Two arguments to this:
a) Does she have the right
: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:14 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
Remember it just Congress shall make no law respecting an
establishment of religion or permitting the free exercise
thereof. If forcing her to show her face
. If forcing her to show her
NM face prevents the free exercise of her religion then you can't make her show
NM her face.
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From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:55 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
What I
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From: Harkins,Patrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:44 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
Well she is better off fighting this than getting beaten or
killed by her husband or family members for disobeying... The
anaerobic
That was Saudi Arabia if I am not mistaken
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From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:06 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
We should not bend our laws because of backward practices of some
religions
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From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:55 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
What I find worrying is that a copy of the Quran has been entered into
evidence. I would think that it would be plainly obvious by now
nice place.NOT
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:35 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
Saudi Arabia. A place I'm not allowed to visit and your not allowed to
practice
your religion
husband or father?
-rc
That was Saudi Arabia if I am not mistaken
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From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:06 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
We should not bend our laws because
Probably no more dangerous then you or any one else on a cell phone.
i think she should be allowed to where a veil.
bubba can where a hat beard..
come on!
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Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:06 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
We should not bend our laws because of backward practices of some
religions. I agree 100% about the blood boiling. I remember
reading a
story a few
exercise thereof. If forcing her to show
her
face prevents the free exercise of her religion then you can't make her
show
her face.
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From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003
2:55 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head
: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:14 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
Remember it just Congress shall make no law respecting an
establishment of religion or permitting the free exercise
thereof. If forcing her to show her
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Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 1:59 PM
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Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
Women aren't allowed to drive in SA which makes the point
moot. Rah, Rah, America for upholding the rights of women,
religions, etc. Rah, Rah, the UN for the same.
So
prevents the free exercise of her religion then you
can't make her
show
her face.
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From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:
Wednesday, May 28,
2003
2:55 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
What I find worrying
She is putting a veil WHERE?
;-)
Oh, you mean WEAR a veil?
n/m
:-)
Probably no more dangerous then you or any one else on a cell phone.
i think she should be allowed to where a veil.
bubba can where a hat beard..
come on!
Around here they ask you to remove your hat.
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From: Paul Ihrig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:57 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
Probably no more dangerous then you or any one else on a cell phone.
i think
no need for the rah/rah
stuff. ;)
-rc
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From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 1:59 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
Women aren't allowed to drive in SA which makes the point
moot. Rah
exercise of her religion then you can't make her
show
her face.
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From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003
2:55 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
What I find worrying is that a copy of the Quran has been entered
for the construction and materials for the roads.
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From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:03 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
So are you saying that we should roll back the ban on polygamy? How
exercise of her religion then you can't make
her show
her face.
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From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28,
2003
2:55 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
What I find worrying is that a copy of the Quran has
it is sick and disgusting, but they have those rights.
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From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:08 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
At what point do we say that it doesn't matter WHAT your religous
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Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:00 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
well here is another way to look at it.
devil's advocate mode
Sex with underage girls may well cause harm to the underage girls.
Letting this woman wear a veil harms who exactly?
/devil's
Wednesday, May 28, 2003, 4:03:14 PM, you wrote:
MM SO, I am not familiar with the state Constitution of Florida,
You are not missing much...just stuff about the citizens requiring a
monorail, maximum class sizes, and bans on cigarette smoking.
--
jon
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So you draw no lines at all? If the parents said it was ok to slit the
girls throat - would that be acceptible as well?
Yes, this is extreme, but you are saying that they have those rights.
That is simply not true. Our laws, which may come from religous
backgrounds, supercede ALL religions. It
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Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:35 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
Saudi Arabia. A place I'm not allowed to visit and your not allowed to
practice
your religion (on pain of death)
We should not bend our laws because of backward practices
prevents the
police from checking to see if she matches the description of the
criminal.
-rc
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From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28,
2003 3:00 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
well here is another way to look
PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
What I find worrying is that a copy of the Quran has been entered into
evidence. I would think that it would be plainly obvious by now to
everyone that basing a court decision in any manner on a religious
belief is not allowed
The police can get a search warrant.
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From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 5:12 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
Like you, playing devil's advocate - situation is woman commits a crime
Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
So you draw no lines at all? If the parents said it was ok to slit the
girls throat - would that be acceptible as well?
Yes, this is extreme, but you are saying that they have those rights.
That is simply not true. Our laws, which may come from religous
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From: Marlon Moyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Community [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:03 PM
Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
| So are you saying that we should roll back the ban on polygamy? How about
| under age children getting married
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Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 5:23 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
So you draw no lines at all? If the parents said it was ok to slit the
girls throat - would that be acceptible as well?
Yes, this is extreme, but you are saying
when does beating your child affect weather or not you can get a license to
drive??
any one grow up in a right wing military family not get hit?
come on..
so what if there are Muslim or Irish...
doesn't matter
equality guys..
better be ready to support the down out..
that's what this nation
: Makes you shake your head.
So you draw no lines at all? If the parents said it was ok to slit the
girls throat - would that be acceptible as well?
Yes, this is extreme, but you are saying that they have those rights.
That is simply not true. Our laws, which may come from religous
backgrounds
I was thinking more along the lines of the husband faking IDs.
On Wed, 28 May 2003 18:57:53 -0400, Paul Ihrig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
when does beating your child affect weather or not you can get a license
to
drive??
any one grow up in a right wing military family not get hit?
come
I dont think there is a constitutional right to drive... what about drunk
drivers?
Dana
On Wed, 28 May 2003 15:23:00 -0400, jon hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ah, didn't see it that way. Then I guess the only issue for the judge
is to decide whether Florida is preventing her free exercise of
My thinking there, is that she really has other motives for wanting her
face covered. But in reality that is not the debate, but it can affect my
personal opinion of the person, and their credibility.
At 06:57 PM 5/28/2003 -0400, you wrote:
when does beating your child affect weather or not you
or drivers who use cell phones..
i would like statistics...
dui/cellupArse
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You are correct. I prefer to err on the side of personal freedoms.
At 05:29 PM 5/28/2003 -0600, you wrote:
yeah I have to think about it too, but this story does seem to cast doubt
on the sincerity of her beliefs. Now, to ask a slightly different question,
assuming that this is some sort of
: Makes you shake your head.
when does beating your child affect weather or not you can get a license
to
drive??
any one grow up in a right wing military family not get hit?
come on..
so what if there are Muslim or Irish...
doesn't matter
equality guys..
better be ready to support
she does seem to have a pattern of using Islam as an excuse in an attempt
to avoid personal responsibility. So this does lead one to wonder if she
isn't up to something.
And she went well beyond hitting; she broke a kid's arm. It takes quite a
bit, as a rule, for children to be removed from a
Message-
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:35 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
Saudi Arabia. A place I'm not allowed to visit and your not allowed to
practice
your religion (on pain of death)
We should
???
that's what this nation is about.
remember Israel.?
You mean the country where everyone has to show their face because they may be a
terrorist? Where security is paramount to life? Where no one says jack about
having a drivers license with a picture on it without a veil? That Israel?
There is not law that allows any person to slit a girl's
throat. The parents only have the right to say she can't get
married until she is 18 because we place the responsibility
to raise the child with the parents.
My very first sentence said your rights end where my right to
life,
And, according to the article, the place where women aren't allowed to drive ;)
Hatton
Saudi Arabia. A place I'm not allowed to visit and your not allowed to practice
your religion (on pain of death)
We should not bend our laws because of backward practices of some
religions. I agree
not excusing any thing
but when did society decide what length some one can instruct another in?
i am not for, or against capital punishment.
i just understand it.
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Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:52 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head.
After gulf war 1 there was a big thing with the US to gather up all the
equipment. One of the people who was going in was a Jew. He was barred.
People holding Christian
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Subject: RE: Makes you shake your head.
when does beating your child affect weather or not you can get a license to
drive??
any one grow up in a right wing military family not get hit?
come on..
so what if there are Muslim or Irish...
doesn't matter
equality guys..
better be ready
can you tell i want a hamburger right now
not a religious/political argument??
=]
btw et is out...
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I think it is legitimate to question whether this is a legitimate religious
belief. I know it's somethign that crossed my mind.
Dana
On Wed, 28 May 2003 14:54:46 -0400, jon hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What I find worrying is that a copy of the Quran has been entered into
evidence. I would
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