? Now you don't want to be 'on the outside looking in'?
> >
> > For someone who does not want to make any assumptions, you sure do make a
> > big one in assuming she has 'got over' the 'event'. What are you basing
> > that on?
> >
&g
ming she has 'got over' the 'event'. What are you basing
> that on?
>
> Their lives were ruined the instant that he punched her in the face. TMZ
> did not throw the punch. Neither the NFL nor the Ravens threw the punch.
> Ray Rice did. And attempting to blame any othe
ooking in'?
For someone who does not want to make any assumptions, you sure do make a
big one in assuming she has 'got over' the 'event'. What are you basing
that on?
Their lives were ruined the instant that he punched her in the face. TMZ
did not throw the punch. Neit
Sigh... Maureen, you just made my point about "twisting words."
I would never hit a woman just because I "felt threatened by" her
NO MATTER HOW INSIGNIFICANT THE THREAT.
I would only resort to physical violence if she attacked me physically
in such a manner
as to present a danger of significant
tercation), will it change your position that she was 'looking for
> trouble'?
>
> http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11503496/ray-rice-spat-face-fiancee-twice-punch-lines-reports
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Rick Faircloth
> wrote:
>
>> They *both* were v
If this is indeed accurate (he allegedly spat on her..twice...before the
altercation), will it change your position that she was 'looking for
trouble'?
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11503496/ray-rice-spat-face-fiancee-twice-punch-lines-reports
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:1
You always go straight for the personal attacks. You are almost never
attacked first.
.
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Maureen wrote:
>
> Maybe you are not paying attention, because I am only responding to
> what he is saying.
>
> As for vicious attacks on conservatives, this is not a politic
I didn't notice.
.
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Vivec wrote:
> Do you realise that almost everyone with a "conservative" ideology that
> joins the list
> gets attacked viciously after a short time of posting?
>
~|
Order t
Fracking auto correct. The last paragraph on the previous message should say:
As for the other people on the list attacking conservatives, they
mostly (with the exception of Eric) attack the opinion. If you read
back through some of the political threads, it becomes apparent very
quickly who i
Maybe you are not paying attention, because I am only responding to
what he is saying.
As for vicious attacks on conservatives, this is not a political
issue, it is a moral issue, and I will not sit silent while anyone -
liberal or conservative - takes a stance like Rick/Sam on domestic
abuse. "
I think there are more conservatives ( of varying ideologies ) on this list
than we know.
And I don't remember Hatton, who I would consider fairly conservative,
being attacked in this way.
And in this case, although I would not consider you conservative on many
topics, you are getting a similar
I haven't gotten any of this from what Rick posted. But maybe I wasn't
paying enough attention.
I think the whole what-Rick-said has gotten way over the top.
Do you realise that almost everyone with a "conservative" ideology that
joins the list
gets attacked viciously after a short time of posti
Good point, Maureen.
Someone has skyrocketed to the top of my 'Do not hire/Do not work with'
list over the last day or so.
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Maureen wrote:
>
> If we block and ignore him, that gives him free reign to spread his
> toxic opinions unchecked. On most issues, that w
I am not distorting anything. You have stated several times that you
would hit any woman you felt threatened by. Are you now denying that
you said it, cause I'm fairly certain the thread is preserved in
multiple places. Google your name and the words "domestic abuse".
Your opinions are right th
Stop twisting mine, Maureen, and I'll return the favor...
On 9/10/2014 4:54 PM, Maureen wrote:
> Rick, you are twisting my words completely. I have never stated that
> a woman cannot be at fault for physically assaulting a man. In fact,
> I have worked with men who are abused.
>
> What I said
Finally! A sane person!
On 9/10/2014 4:43 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote:
> As a plea of sanity here, just as there is no justification for Rice to
> punch his fiance, I think we need to as a group dial down the rhetoric and
> personal attacks.
>
> Even IF someone is defending Rice, or thinks what
SOP for this list. Why are we concerned now?
.
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote:
>
> As a plea of sanity here, just as there is no justification for Rice to
> punch his fiance, I think we need to as a group dial down the rhetoric and
> personal attacks.
>
> Even IF some
As a plea of sanity here, just as there is no justification for Rice to
punch his fiance, I think we need to as a group dial down the rhetoric and
personal attacks.
Even IF someone is defending Rice, or thinks what he did was OK, or is just
playing devils advocate or trolling, that doesn't take a
good point
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Maureen wrote:
>
> If we block and ignore him, that gives him free reign to spread his
> toxic opinions unchecked. On most issues, that would not likely be
> harmful On this one, the truth needs to be told. If, as his postings
> indicate, he is ok
I would never strike a woman first, Maureen. (Unless in a war)
But if you decided you wanted to attack me physically, and were a
potential threat,
you'd get what you asked for. But I understand that, in your view, a
woman can
never be at fault for physically assaulting a man. I guess men are ju
If we block and ignore him, that gives him free reign to spread his
toxic opinions unchecked. On most issues, that would not likely be
harmful On this one, the truth needs to be told. If, as his postings
indicate, he is okay with abuse and has admitted he would strike a
woman who confronted him
That's not an insult. I can draw those conclusions based on your remarks.
Just because you feel insulted doesn't mean the words are not true.
Next...
On 9/10/2014 4:26 PM, Maureen wrote:
> In response to a comment I made to another list member:
>
> "Oh, bull, Maureen.
>
> You would intervene b
You came back to tell us you're filtering someone?
Very helpful. Thanks for that.
.
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Dana wrote:
>
> oh wait are you fucking kidding me? Judith? Character assassination?
>
> pause...
>
> I am already filtering him. I just realized that. I see him because pe
oh wait are you fucking kidding me? Judith? Character assassination?
pause...
I am already filtering him. I just realized that. I see him because people
are responding to him.
I propose group block and ignore.
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> Rick,
>
> It is impo
In response to a comment I made to another list member:
"Oh, bull, Maureen.
You would intervene based on what you think even where you're not wanted
or welcome. You know everyone's situation just because you've worked with
"some" cases of abuse. What hubris..."
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:22 PM,
where's my like button. Damn. I gotta
a) spend less time on Facebook
b) get my ass out of this thread ;)
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Scott Stewart
wrote:
>
> This is a quote from Rush Limbaugh, an entertainer it is therefore deemed
> without merit and irrelevant in a conversation dealing
Linguistic analysis of their posts would indicate yes. Also, the timing.
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Dana wrote:
>
> sock puppet? maybe you're right at that
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Maureen wrote:
>
>>
>> No one expected you too, as you and your sock puppet Rick wouldn't
Doesn't matter who made the point, is it valid?
.
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Scott Stewart
wrote:
>
> This is a quote from Rush Limbaugh, an entertainer it is therefore deemed
> without merit and irrelevant in a conversation dealing with actual events.
>
> Ten yard penalty and loss of dow
ering from Stockholm
Syndrome
3. Even if (2) weren't true, the laws against this kind of abuse mean that
it's not up to his wife anymore. This is a state issue now.
4. Her slapping him first is utterly and completely irrelevant
5. Anyone who defends Ray Rice is a worthless, cowardly wast
Maureen,
Quote the words I used to insult you first. If you can, I'll apologize
for fighting back.
If you can't, then you should apologize for stooping to insults in the
first place.
On 9/10/2014 4:18 PM, Maureen wrote:
> No, I have no desire to punch anyone with my fist. Just pointing out
>
She just made an interesting choice of words...
On 9/10/2014 4:16 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> That is not what she was saying...man you are either really dense, or
> incredibly obtuse.
>
> Not sure which one I would prefer.
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Rick Faircloth
> wrote:
>
>> Tending
No, I have no desire to punch anyone with my fist. Just pointing out
the obvious. I'm not the one in this conversation getting hot under
the collar. I'm used to you and Sam and your insults and ridicule.
Mostly I ignore you. When I don't ignore you I laugh at how obvious
your stupidity is to me
Ooh, another "low blower" in the house.
Before we begin, are you a boy or girl, Dana?
(Just so I'll know where and how hard I can hit back)
On 9/10/2014 4:16 PM, Dana wrote:
> sock puppet? maybe you're right at that
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Maureen wrote:
>
>> No one expected
That is not what she was saying...man you are either really dense, or
incredibly obtuse.
Not sure which one I would prefer.
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Rick Faircloth
wrote:
>
> Tending towards violence now, are we, Maureen?
>
> I'm waiting for your " consistent, very level headed, though
sock puppet? maybe you're right at that
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Maureen wrote:
>
> No one expected you too, as you and your sock puppet Rick wouldn't
> recognize reasoned response if it hit you in the face.
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Sam wrote:
> >
> > I can't agree wi
Oh, Scott, you asshole. You hurt me so badly. I think I've going to cry.
On 9/10/2014 4:15 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> Rick,
>
> It is impossible for anyone to perform a character assassination on you.
> You cannot assassinate something does does not exist.
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Rick
Rick,
It is impossible for anyone to perform a character assassination on you.
You cannot assassinate something does does not exist.
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Rick Faircloth
wrote:
>
> I'm not inclined to accept character assassination from anyone, male or
> female.
>
> If she doesn't l
I figured you wouldn't.
I have not agreed with Maureen on every issue, but even then, I have not
found her to unreasonable.
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Sam wrote:
>
> I can't agree with you.
>
> .
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> >
> > In my mind, Maureen gets a
Tending towards violence now, are we, Maureen?
I'm waiting for your " consistent, very level headed, thought provoking
commentary"
to quote Scott, but you seem to have lost your cool a little Maureen.
Want to punch someone in the face with your fist?
On 9/10/2014 4:08 PM, Maureen wrote:
> No
This is a quote from Rush Limbaugh, an entertainer it is therefore deemed
without merit and irrelevant in a conversation dealing with actual events.
Ten yard penalty and loss of down.
On Sep 10, 2014 4:07 PM, "Sam" wrote:
>
> "If NOW is really serious about violence against women, they've gotta
I'm not inclined to accept character assassination from anyone, male or
female.
If she doesn't like conflict, she shouldn't start one.
On 9/10/2014 4:05 PM, Scott Stewart wrote:
> Why did you need to respond, there's this thing called "picking your
> battles". But you don't understand the co
No one expected you too, as you and your sock puppet Rick wouldn't
recognize reasoned response if it hit you in the face.
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Sam wrote:
>
> I can't agree with you.
>
> .
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>>
>> In my mind, Maureen gets a 'pass
You know, Scott, you asshole, the first time I ever heard of the Ray
Rice episode is on this list.
I didn't hear anything about it on Fox News until today.
Oh, that's an easy out, too... "Maureen gets a 'pass'..."
Of course she does...
On 9/10/2014 4:03 PM, S
"If NOW is really serious about violence against women, they've gotta
focus on Bill Clinton. Where were the NAGs when Juanita Broaddrick
said she was raped by Bill Clinton? Where were the NAGs when Kathleen
Willey was stalked and hit on by Bill Clinton? Where were the NAGs
when Gennifer Flowers
I can't agree with you.
.
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> In my mind, Maureen gets a 'pass' because over the years, she has
> consistently be very level headed and offers thought provoking commentary.
>
> You are neither level headed nor have you never offered anything
Why did you need to respond, there's this thing called "picking your
battles". But you don't understand the concept of adequate response, how
could you understand this..
On Sep 10, 2014 3:58 PM, "Rick Faircloth" wrote:
>
> And Maureen is just being a liar, stating that I "insist that the faul
In my mind, Maureen gets a 'pass' because over the years, she has
consistently be very level headed and offers thought provoking commentary.
You are neither level headed nor have you never offered anything
worthwhile to this list - all you do is parrot what you saw on FoxNews
earlier in the day
And Maureen is just being a liar, stating that I "insist that the fault
is always
with the victim." I don't like my words being twisted by someone who can't
understand them. And I was trying to "gently" rebuff her false accusation.
She threw the first punch. I responded. Who was the first victim
Now?
I think he passed 'dick' sometime yesterday afternoon.
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Scott Stewart
wrote:
>
> Now you're just being a dick..
> On Sep 10, 2014 3:49 PM, "Rick Faircloth"
> wrote:
>
> >
> > "But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with
> > the vi
Now you're just being a dick..
On Sep 10, 2014 3:49 PM, "Rick Faircloth" wrote:
>
> "But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with
> the victim."
>
> Slow down, take a deep breath, and try to think clearly, Maureen.
>
>
> On 9/10/2014 1:39 PM, Maureen wrote:
> > There are
"But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with
the victim."
Slow down, take a deep breath, and try to think clearly, Maureen.
On 9/10/2014 1:39 PM, Maureen wrote:
> There are millions of people living in abusive relationships. Mostly
> they consist of women who are too
It's not going to happen when they or at least one of them is a celebrity.
So that is a moot point.
-Original Message-
From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 9:21 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Ray Rice
The point is not that what Rice di
She is a victim of domestic violence...you can tell because there is a
video of domestic violence. Now, how she chooses to frame that for herself,
what she chooses to believe and how she wants to respond to it, that is
totally up to her. I may have my own personal opinions but that doesn't
matter,
There are millions of people living in abusive relationships. Mostly
they consist of women who are too cowed or dependent to leave, and
men who aren't quite violent enough to kill them. One in three
homicides of women is related to domestic violence. Twenty-five
percent of the homeless families
Meh, abusive relationships can last..they just really suck for everyone
involved.
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> Talk to men who have some spanish wives and they may disagree.
> Plates tend to fly.
>
> On 10 September 2014 12:27, GMoney wrote:
>
> >
> > Very rarely do r
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Vivec wrote:
>
> Talk to men who have some spanish wives and they may disagree.
> Plates tend to fly.
>
And that makes it acceptable behavior?
>
> On 10 September 2014 12:27, GMoney wrote:
>
> >
> > Very rarely do relationships last or improve once abuse has
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Vivec wrote:
>
> They already said they were getting help for that incident, and have gotten
> help.
>
I think it needs to go beyond them getting therapy together. I think they
both need therapy separately. He needs to learn not to punch hi fiance in
the face a
He hit her in the face with his fist. How is that accidental?
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Vivec wrote:
> And you are not a psychologist, so on what basis are you saying that
> someone who accidentally knocked out his fiancee had a relationship that
> was beyond help?
~~~
Talk to men who have some spanish wives and they may disagree.
Plates tend to fly.
On 10 September 2014 12:27, GMoney wrote:
>
> Very rarely do relationships last or improve once abuse has entered the
> picture. Arguments and disagreements happen. THey can be heated, they can
> be loud. Things
They already said they were getting help for that incident, and have gotten
help.
And you are not a psychologist, so on what basis are you saying that
someone who accidentally knocked out his fiancee had a relationship that
was beyond help?
On 10 September 2014 12:09, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> Wh
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Vivec wrote:
> Are you denying that couples get into a violent argument, and the
> relationship is not an abusive one?
>
I most definitely deny that. If you get in a VIOLENT argument, then by
definition, your relationship is abusive. Either one or the other is
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> You don't get to make what if decisions on the lives of other people,
> without facts.
>
What decision did I make on the lives of other people? That she (they
actually) need help?
>
> Are you denying that couples get into a violent argument,
You don't get to make what if decisions on the lives of other people,
without facts.
Are you denying that couples get into a violent argument, and the
relationship is not an abusive one?
Are you denying that couples go to counselling, talk about it, work things
out, and can go on to have a happy
does permanent and/or fatal damage?
I resent the implication that I am saying she is 'crazy' because I think
she is involved in an abusive relationship, and goes to further my opinion
that you have never had any kind of experience with anyone in an abusive
relationship.
>
> Let me
or her.
Let me flip it. Based on what I saw, I think she abuses Rice, and that Ray
Rice is in an abusive relationship. And he snapped in that elevator.
He was drunk, she was drunkshe came at him again like she always does,
cussing and shouting at him, and slapping him around...and he snapped.
I did not say she was a child, I was playing the 'what if; game that Rick
was so keen on playing to see when the victim is no longer to blame for
getting hit.
You then turned around and made the inference that I was saying all women
are like children.
With the disclaimer that I am not a qualifie
If the 'disagreement', as you have classified it, took place in a private
residence, and NOT in public, I may (strong emphasis on the word 'may'
there) be able to understand (not agree with, but understand ) with that
sentiment. But, you see, it didn't. The fact that he punched her in the
face IN
Ummm that's video
On Sep 10, 2014 10:29 AM, "Vivec" wrote:
>
> Sorry that isn't true.
>
> YOU said what if she was a 12 year old. Don't try to twist that around to
> something I said.
>
> "Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were later dropped.
>
> He was then charged with agg
Sorry that isn't true.
YOU said what if she was a 12 year old. Don't try to twist that around to
something I said.
"Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were later dropped.
He was then charged with aggravated assault.
*I wonder, if this was a 12 year old child who he hit, wo
The point is not that what Rice did was right, normal or anything else.
The point is that this was and should have remained a private, personal
issue between two ADULTs!
Since when do you get to make decisions for an adult woman who is in a
relationship with a man?
WITH ZERO evidence that man is
e elevator cam.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:31 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Ray Rice
>
>
> Wrong, Eric!
>
> Ray is responsible for his actions. HOWEVER, the
Are you saying: "I'm taking my ball and going home" or are you saying
: "If someone picks Rick or Sam for my team I'm taking my ball and
going home"
Either way, STFU. Publicly announcing you're ignoring someone is about
as narcissistic and childish as it gets.
Oh, you won't see this. Let me add
gt; r...@whitestonemedia.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> No, I was trying to type:
> >>
> >> She shouldn't have started it and Ray SHOULDN'T have ended it the way he
> >> did.
> >>
> >> Scott, you scum. You absolute scum.
Here is the point you are too damn thickheaded to understand. If it was a
man, with the same size and strength as the woman, who was punched by Ray
Rice, my feelings about the assault would not change at all. I think the
size, strength, ability of those involved should come into play in cases
Maybe that
slap was her trying to defend herself...we don't know. All we can see is
the small segment recorded by the elevator cam.
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:31 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: R
l Message-
> From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:25 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Ray Rice
>
>
> Bull, Eric.
>
> Being a public figure is not Eric's doing; it's the public's! No one asked
> to make
/10/2014 9:37 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> Why do have such hostility and apparent hatred towards women, Rick?
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Rick Faircloth
> wrote:
>
>> Wrong, Eric!
>>
>> Ray is responsible for his actions. HOWEVER, the woman is responsible
&g
f of that
it is just you rambling on. You are also on the outside looking in and
claiming special knowledge oh mighty kettle...
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:25 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Ray Rice
Just setting the record straight...
On 9/10/2014 9:36 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> Nice backpedaling, Rick.
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Rick Faircloth
> wrote:
>
>> No, I was trying to type:
>>
>> She shouldn't have started it and Ray SHOULDN'T h
I wouldn't hit my wife back, at all.
But that's the way I roll. Everyone doesn't have to play by those standards,
especially since women have declared they want to be men's equals.
But now, if a stranger, who happened to be a woman attacked me, then
all bets are off. I'll do what I have to in or
Why do have such hostility and apparent hatred towards women, Rick?
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Rick Faircloth
wrote:
>
> Wrong, Eric!
>
> Ray is responsible for his actions. HOWEVER, the woman is responsible
> for hers!
>
> I'm just trying to get you to see the
Nice backpedaling, Rick.
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Rick Faircloth
wrote:
>
> No, I was trying to type:
>
> She shouldn't have started it and Ray SHOULDN'T have ended it the way he
> did.
>
> Scott, you scum. You absolute scum.
>
>
> On 9/10/201
No, I was trying to type:
She shouldn't have started it and Ray SHOULDN'T have ended it the way he
did.
Scott, you scum. You absolute scum.
On 9/10/2014 9:27 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Rick Faircloth
> wrote:
>
>>
>> PERSONAL RES
Wrong, Eric!
Ray is responsible for his actions. HOWEVER, the woman is responsible
for hers!
I'm just trying to get you to see the double-standard we have in this
society.
Woman want equality, but don't want the responsibility that comes with it!
If woman want equality, then the
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Rick Faircloth
wrote:
>
>
> PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! She shouldn't have started it and Ray should
> have ended
> it in the way he did.
>
>
And there we have it. You blame her and you think he is justified in his
response.
You are
This 'what if' game is stupid. I did not 'attack' Ray Rice. A man did not
'attack' Ray Rice. No one 'attacked' Ray Rice.
Let's play the reality game. He punched his fiance in the face and,
subsequently, she was knocked unconscious and you are trying
hose who know best from the outside
looking in
and destroy the lives of these people because mistakes were make on both
their parts.
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! She shouldn't have started it and Ray should
have ended
it in the way he did.
I tried to unsubscribe on the House of Fusion sit
He threw the punch - no one
> > else.
> > > >
> > > > Actions have consequences, it is about time some of these
> professional
> > > > athletes realize that.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec wrote:
> >
Scott, if you attacked Ray, and Ray knocked you out. Is Ray solely to
blame for you
being knocked out? Or would you say that your bear some responsibility for
provoking Ray?
On 9/10/2014 8:11 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> You don't see that by saying '...if his soon-to-be wife had
Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 7:31 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Ray Rice
Scott, families have a right to privacy as well.
And couples have disagreements, sometimes violent.
SLaps, kicks, pushes, plates thrown, cups thrown.. what world do you live in
if
fessional
> > > athletes realize that.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec wrote:
> > >
> > >> Scott, let's say your omniscience is wrong.
> > >>
> > >> And a month or two, or more from now it comes out that t
ng.
> >>
> >> And a month or two, or more from now it comes out that they were a
> couple
> >> that had problems,
> >> but there was no ongoing domestic abuse. They were working things out,
> and
> >> then this came along and ruined everything f
Question for you: if your wife slapped you, would you feel justified
in hitting her with your fist?
If not, why not?
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Rick Faircloth
wrote:
>
> Oh, bull, Maureen.
>
> You would intervene based on what you think even where you're not wanted
> or welcome. You know e
erything for them.
>>
>> What would you say then?
>>
>> On 9 September 2014 22:13, Scott Stroz wrote:
>>
>>> The media did not destroy a family... Ray Rice did, the moment he decided
>>> the best course of action to resolve the situation was to punch
You are just thick-headed, Scott. You and Maureen make a great couple.
If Ray never hit back, would you consider anything she did to be
assault, just because
she didn't know him unconscious?
You're just too dense to understand the nuance of the argument.
Please filter my comments
e "woman is never at fault" side of domestic problems.
On 9/10/2014 12:08 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> Ah, yes, Rick, please enlighten us with your tales of working with abuse
> victims. I am sure they were all looking for trouble, just like Ray Rice's
> fiance, right?
>
>
ote:
>>>>>> Scout, what goes "gellie" mean? I couldn't find a definition I was
>>> sure
>>>>>> you're using.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/9/2014 11:36 AM, LRS Scout wrote:
>>>>>
finition I was
> > sure
> > > >> you're using.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On 9/9/2014 11:36 AM, LRS Scout wrote:
> > > >>> I'm more surprised by gellie personally.
> > > >>> On Sep 9, 2014 11:25 AM, "
Ah, yes, Rick, please enlighten us with your tales of working with abuse
victims. I am sure they were all looking for trouble, just like Ray Rice's
fiance, right?
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Rick Faircloth
wrote:
>
> Oh, bull, Maureen.
>
> You would intervene based on wh
No..they were not. He was not a victimof anything. And to try and paint
him as such shows how misogynistic you really are.
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Rick Faircloth
wrote:
>
> They *both* were victims of assault.
>
> If the woman had assaulted a smaller, weaker woman like
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