Sam
Spike Lee coined the term, so the discussion would seem to have something to do
with him. I don't think your columnist is liberal. I am an agnostic on whether
the video is racist. I am inclined to think it is, at least the way Rush is
using it. But that doesn't matter. What does matter is
I think what Imus taught us is that context is everything. I think the
principle applies here, though the dittoheads don't seem to care.
::shrug::
As to should be able to, I don't know what the answer is there. Though I was
interested to note that one of the stars of Grey's Anatomy is now
Imus used a term that has a very specific meaning and used it inappropriately,
perhaps because he is not familiar with the culture that made it. See what
Snoop Dogg said about his use of the term -- something about it is not about no
college girls it's about hos that lie to a nigger and take
Dana wrote:
one of the stars of Grey's Anatomy is now making PSAs against hate speech,
apparently as an apology for a derogatory remark about gays.
THAT's the issue. Are we becoming TOO politically correct? I've
always been a If-you-can't-joke-about-it-you're-a-victim-of-it type of
guy
I think it's a valid argument, just not true from what I have seen :) I think
words *do* have a terrible amount of power.
Dana wrote:
one of the stars of Grey's Anatomy is now making PSAs against hate
speech, apparently as an apology for a derogatory remark about gays.
THAT's the issue.
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On 5/25/07, Dana Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sam
Spike Lee coined the term, so the discussion would seem to have something to
do with him.
The term was popularized by Spike Lee.
David Ehrenstein says the words were from old film days, The magic
negro, was chiefly a term used when
On 5/25/07, Dana Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This video uses a term that has a very specific meaning (see the wiki) and in
my opinion uses it inappropriately.
It seems to have been made primarily to use the term Magic Negro.
The article? So you do have a problem with the article?
Sam wrote:
Rush didn't make the video;
But he found it and played it; he repeated it. That's what Imus did:
repeated the term nappy-headed hos which he certainly didn't make.
So the question is, should a talk show host (or any media personality)
be able to repeat possibly racially offensive
Sam wrote:
Rush didn't make the video;
But he found it and played it; he repeated it. That's what Imus did:
repeated the term nappy-headed hos which he certainly didn't make
Nope, he was not the original locater of the video, CBS 13 was. He
paid Shanklin to make the parody SONG but did
cHat wrote:
Think about it, he has a RADIO show. What good would playing a VIDEO
be when it's based on AUDIO that he commissioned?
I'll try to be more clear on my point: he played a possible racially
offensive song on the public airwaves. I'm not addressing how it was
created, who brought
On 5/24/07, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'll try to be more clear on my point: he played a possible racially
offensive song on the public airwaves. I'm not addressing how it was
created, who brought it up first, etc.
Just pointing out he sponsored the audio not the video.
Why is it
Sam wrote:
Just pointing out he sponsored the audio not the video.
Why is it racist? Answer that please.
I don't know how I can be more clear for you beyond saying this:
I am not saying it's racist, I am saying that it could be perceived as
racist just as Imus' comment was perceived as
On 5/24/07, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know how I can be more clear for you beyond saying this:
I am not saying it's racist, I am saying that it could be perceived as
racist just as Imus' comment was perceived as racist.
Then tell me HOW it can be perceived as racist and
Was Imus unfairly censured or was Rush given a pass?
IMO Imus was unfairly censured based on the pressure put on CBS by
Sharpton and Jackson.
The offense in Imus's case was that he said something spontaneously
that was taken in an offensive manner by those it was said about. He
apologized for
Sam wrote:
You have no problem with what was written but you think Rush is an ass
for bringing it to your attention?
Let's say that your hilarious spin attempt is remotely relevant:
wouldn't mentioning it be enough? Why would does he need to play the
whole thing?
Also what exactly did he
The person who wrote the article didn't sing the song. That aspect of
it was wrong.
Rush, or someone should have made an issue of the article. He could
have easily read portions of it to his audience to garner the same
discussion without the racist overtones
Sam wrote:
You have no problem
The person who wrote the article didn't sing the song. That aspect of
it was wrong.
Rush, or someone should have made an issue of the article. He could
have easily read portions of it to his audience to garner the same
discussion without the racist overtones
Again, you don't listen to his
Then why was it necessary to play the song?
It just seems in bad taste, especially with the recent Imus mess
C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:
The person who wrote the article didn't sing the song. That aspect of
it was wrong.
Rush, or someone should have made an issue of the article. He could
On 5/22/07, Dana Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It isn't funny and it is so-- I can't find the word.
Childish? That's the word I was thinking when I listened to it.
The breakdown in public discourse today has happened because of things like
this. I'll definitely by into the proposition
bad taste is a much lighter accusation than racist. Are we backing away
from that now?
On 5/23/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Then why was it necessary to play the song?
It just seems in bad taste, especially with the recent Imus mess
C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:
The person
gMoney wrote:
bad taste is a much lighter accusation than racist. Are we backing away
from that now?
Objectively, it's an open question. Someone who had the discussion in
March, but then goes further to discuss it again, going as far as
playing the offensive piece, must have some motivation,
Hymie-town - Jesse Jackson.
On 5/22/07, Vivec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please post the racist statements that each of these three individuals
have made, i.e. it would have to have been reported at some point in
the mainstream media.
On 5/22/07, Russel Madere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Most
Scott wrote:
Hymie-town - Jesse Jackson.
Chocolate City - That Prima-Don NO Mayor dude. He's not one of
those 3, but it still was awesome.
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On 5/23/07, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Objectively, it's an open question. Someone who had the discussion in
March, but then goes further to discuss it again, going as far as
playing the offensive piece, must have some motivation, and we can
only speculate at what it is, but racism
No, please look up my earlier post about being racist with enough
vagueness to disavow racism. I don't remember my exact words. However,
at the very least, (even if there is no racist intent) I consider it in
bad taste.
But you fail to address the need for playing the song,
G Money wrote:
On 5/23/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But you fail to address the need for playing the song,
No I didn't, I just addressed it in a different post :)
The reason is simple from his standpoint: entertainment and controversy.
His audience finds that stuff amusing (I think Sam
i am quite sure you are right concerning Rush being untouchable. look
at his drug issue. I'm not saying he should lose his job or even be
taken to task. I'm not sure his drug issue was that different than Bret
Favre's. However, he has a very different perspective on his drug use
than on
I don't think his audience cares. Which means they still tune in, which
still makes him incredibly marketable, which means the advertising dollars
are still there, which means he gets to keep on rolling.
Don't think for a second that Imus' fall was the result of any moral
epiphany by his
gMoney wrote:
I don't think his audience cares.
But as Imus proved it's not about the audience, it's about the
corporations that support him: the broadcasting company and the
advertisers. Their's is the only opinion that counts.
Not sure what Sharpton has to do with this, but, yeah, he's an ass too.
the video is supposed to be in Sharpton's voice.
I think what Sam is not getting is that there is a difference between talking
about racism and enabling it. When you say magic Negro in a discussion about
a film made in
On 5/23/07, Dana Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not sure what Sharpton has to do with this, but, yeah, he's an ass too.
the video is supposed to be in Sharpton's voice.
Rush didn't make the video; nobody seems to know where it came from.
I think what Sam is not getting is that there is a
That's because the conservatives are typically the racists.
On 5/22/07, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
See what a liberals says isn't racist, but if a conservative repeats
it, it is racist.
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::eyeroll:: what would we do without Sam to explain stuff to us. This entire
discussion is utterly depressing. As for the clips -- time out of my life that
I'll never get back. ::sigh::
I see you totally missed the point, or you didn't read the article.
A black liberal columnist (David
It's not really that funny, nor is it racist. A non story. I think people
really want it to be a story though, cuz they hate Rush so much.
On 5/22/07, Dana Tierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
::eyeroll:: what would we do without Sam to explain stuff to us. This
entire discussion is utterly
Really!?!?!?! You have non-anecdotal proof of this?
That's because the conservatives are typically the racists.
On 5/22/07, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
See what a liberals says isn't racist, but if a conservative repeats
it, it is racist.
Yeah.How many of the people in the news who have made racists
statements have been liberal?
All I can recall have been so-called conservatives, whether religious
or otherwise.
If you can find three Liberals that have been in the media for making
racist comments then I'd say I was wrong and it
Most of them. Al Sharpton, Jessee Jackson, Howard Stern, etc.
Yeah.How many of the people in the news who have made racists
statements have been liberal?
All I can recall have been so-called conservatives, whether religious
or otherwise.
If you can find three Liberals that have been in the
Typical may have been the incorrect word to use, and the sentence was
poorly structured.
More often than not, the racists that make it to the news are conservatives.
Which does not say or mean that all conservatives are racist or even
that most are.
On 5/22/07, C. Hatton Humphrey [EMAIL
Please post the racist statements that each of these three individuals
have made, i.e. it would have to have been reported at some point in
the mainstream media.
On 5/22/07, Russel Madere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Most of them. Al Sharpton, Jessee Jackson, Howard Stern, etc.
How about Democratic Governor of New Orleans Ray Nagin:
I don't care what people are saying Uptown or wherever they are. This city
will be chocolate at the end of the day, he said. This city will be a
majority African-American city. It's the way God wants it to be.
That one takes the cake if you
Everything said about the whites keeping the backs down in New Orleans after
Katrina. It wouldtake days to post it all.
Those three are some of the most racist people I have every experienced. They
make David Duke look moderate. He at least doesn't hide behind the cloth of
divinity.
As
I try to ignore C Ray whenever possible. However, you are right. If that
wasn't racist, what was it?
Or, Gel, is it only racist when a white person says it?
How about Democratic Governor of New Orleans Ray Nagin:
I don't care what people are saying Uptown or wherever they are. This city
will
LOL!
Yes you are right about that one. That was most definitely a racist
and moronic statement to make, especially at that point in time ^_^.
On 5/22/07, G Money [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How about Democratic Governor of New Orleans Ray Nagin:
I don't care what people are saying Uptown or
It seemed quite obvious to me what the sentence meant. It also attacked two of
the the basic tenets of my personal philosophy.
Typical may have been the incorrect word to use, and the sentence was
poorly structured.
More often than not, the racists that make it to the news are conservatives.
This site has a lot of racist quotes form liberals:
http://www.rightwingnews.com/quotes/leftwingracists.php
Bruce
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Most of them. Al Sharpton, Jessee Jackson, Howard Stern, etc.
Yeah.How many of the people in the news who have made racists
statements have been liberal?
All I can recall have been so-called conservatives, whether religious
or otherwise.
If you
Now that nation called Israel, never has had any peace in forty years
and she will never have any peace because there can never be any peace
structured on injustice, thievery, lying and deceit and using the name
of God to shield your dirty religion under his holy and righteous
name
That's a
On 5/22/07, Scott Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rush Limbaugh is perceived by many outside of the left-right banter, as a
racist. I only need to point to his horrible failure at ESPN as a football
commentator as an example. Whether or not his commentary about Donovan
McNabb was meant to be
It's stupid. The whole thing.
The original statement - stupid
The parody - stupid
Rush playing it - stupid
Racist - yes, with just enough vagueness to claim it's not. Come on
it's 2007 if calling a basketball team of hard ganging banging looking
girls nappy headed hos is racist then so is
You are right, that is not racist, but it certainly is offensive, and bigoted.
On 5/22/07, Vivec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...using the name
of God to shield YOUR DIRTY RELIGION under his holy and righteous
name
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The difference is he is an elected official. Not a media employee. The
people have the right to try to impeach him, or not re-elect him. It
seems to me he took a fair amount of heat for it at that time.
But again - stupid
G Money wrote:
How about Democratic Governor of New Orleans Ray
Please post the racist statements that each of these three individuals
have made, i.e. it would have to have been reported at some point in
the mainstream media.
Let's see -
Jessee Jackson's wonderful Hymietown comment.
Rev. Jesse Jackson referred to Jews as Hymies and to New York City
as
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On 5/22/07, Scott Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rush Limbaugh is perceived by many outside of the left-right banter, as a
racist. I only need to point to his horrible failure at ESPN as a football
commentator as an example
I'll drop Stern. He is no different than Imus.
But Jackson is as racist as David Duke ever was. They even hate the same
people. He just hides behind the cloth and his Rainbow Coalition.
Jackson's a media whore and Howard Stern is a shock jock, not a pundit
The Hoff wrote:
The original statement - stupid
The parody - stupid
Rush playing it - stupid
For me the interesting part isn't whether Rush is racist or not, but
it's the Imus Offense.
The Imus offense is when you say or play offensive things on a radio
talk show which, according to Imus
I think it's important for Rush to point out what's going on in the
liberal camp.
When a liberal writes and op-ed claiming most liberals are racist, and
they don't realize what's being said, someone needs to tell them.
On 5/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's stupid. The
Maybe I've had more exposure to Sharpton over the years.
On 5/22/07, G Money [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's not really that funny, nor is it racist. A non story. I think people
really want it to be a story though, cuz they hate Rush so much.
Sam wrote:
I think it's important for Rush to point out what's going on in the
liberal camp.
Where is that camp anyway?
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On 5/22/07, Vivec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now that nation called Israel, never has had any peace in forty years
and she will never have any peace because there can never be any peace
structured on injustice, thievery, lying and deceit and using the name
of God to shield your dirty
I think that he is talking about the people in these nations, not the
nations themselves. A nation is not unjust, a thief, a liar or deceitful,
the people in that country are.
Bruce
On 5/22/07, Vivec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now that nation called Israel, never has had any peace in forty years
So when people worldwide deplore US actions in Iraq as unjust, unfair,
unwarranted, bullying,horrific etc. etc. they are not referring to the
decisions of that nation's government, they are referring to the
people themselves?
I see.
And thus when the US criticizes the French Government for their
Look around you
On 5/22/07, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sam wrote:
I think it's important for Rush to point out what's going on in the
liberal camp.
Where is that camp anyway?
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.Thanks for clearing that up for me
Sam wrote:
Look around you
I knew you would know ... you know the old saying, if you want to
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People that post items form VoteVets, which is a moveon/soros group,
are in the camp.
People that repost DailyKos propaganda are in that camp.
Believing in a woman's right to choose doesn't put me in camp, just
means I don't disagree with everything they stand for.
In this case the camp is the
It isn't funny and it is so-- I can't find the word.
The breakdown in public discourse today has happened because of things like
this. I'll definitely by into the proposition that Al Sharpton is an ass. But
who cares??? I haven't even heard or thought about the man since the *last*
time we
Holy sh!t :-o
Read the f#$%n article
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0,5335087.story?coll=la-opinion-rightrail
You have no problem with what was written but you think Rush is an ass
for bringing it to your attention?
By the way, Sharpton had nothing to do with this
Rush aired a musical parody called Barak The Magic Negro which
sounds like basically a Blackface show from the early 1900s.
Now people are complaining and Rush is whining.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=n6WXGWMdAs4
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Rush aired a musical parody called Barak The Magic Negro which
sounds like basically a Blackface show from the early 1900s.
Now people are complaining and Rush is whining.
Where ya been? This was last week's news... and last *month's* parody!
Actually, Rush didn't even come up with the
cHat wrote:
Where ya been? This was last week's news... and last *month's* parody!
Heh, well ... not listening to Rush. Yeah, I gathered the age of the
item, but my question is, is this type of blackface impersonation
radio appropriate in an age of Imus firings?
For example, would it be ok
I see you totally missed the point, or you didn't read the article.
A black liberal columnist (David Ehrenstein) says all this and nobody
cares. Conservative Rush, actually Shanklin, makes a parody and months
later it's offensive.
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