Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-18 Thread Jerry Barnes
"And this was BEFORE the '47% are victims and don't pay taxes' video came out today" I'm trying to decide if this actually helps his campaign. People might like a candidate who drops the truth every once in a while. Anyway, in Alan Grayson, NBC fashion, Mother Jones is practicing some question

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-17 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
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Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-17 Thread Judah McAuley
r >> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com >> tel: 630-486-5255 >> fax: 630-310-8531 >> http://www.threeravensconsulting.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] >> S

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-17 Thread GMoney
t; http://www.threeravensconsulting.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:58 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya > > > All po

RE: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-17 Thread Eric Roberts
- From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:58 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya All polls that use a "likely voter" model calibrate their population sample based on their model of how they think the act

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-17 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Amazing. that is akin to clinical paranoid schizophrenia. On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 4:21 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Also, if your argument for election is "Every poll organization other > than Rasmussen is out to get us and, really, people totally love us > but there is a conspiracy to make sure

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-17 Thread Judah McAuley
Also, if your argument for election is "Every poll organization other than Rasmussen is out to get us and, really, people totally love us but there is a conspiracy to make sure you never hear that"...chances are good that you're going to lose. Just sayin. Judah ~~

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-17 Thread Judah McAuley
All polls that use a "likely voter" model calibrate their population sample based on their model of how they think the actual voting population will come out. Each polling outfit uses their own model and it can be just a top-line number (we predict that 53% of the voters will be Democrats and 47%

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-17 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Most polls have Obama ahead, thought it's a slight margin. " Just came across this article about polling for this election: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/this-graph-shows-why-obama-is-ahead-in-the-polls/ It has a nice graph that shows the lead along with the over sampling. Here is the graph

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-14 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Mostly though, we are independent because we reject the idea that one ideology, devoid of the merit points of the other, are good for this country." That's great. However, the number of "independents" must be so small as to be meaningless. The political divide in this country is growing, not s

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-14 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Except that in most of those countries, a conservative to Denmark, for instance would be a left wing extremist according to an American conservative. Lets take Canada for example, look at the policy platform of the Tories in Canada, their policy platform is fto the left of the Democratic Party he

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-14 Thread GMoney
Yeah, not sure i'd call any of those unchecked. Thanks on the generalization kudos though. On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:01 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > All of those countries have conservative right ing movemenrs, some of which > are very strong. Especially in Scandinavia. > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-14 Thread LRS Scout
All of those countries have conservative right ing movemenrs, some of which are very strong. Especially in Scandinavia. On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > You mean like the unbridled liberalism of the Scandinavian countries, > or Holland, or New Zealand or Australia or

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-14 Thread Larry C. Lyons
You mean like the unbridled liberalism of the Scandinavian countries, or Holland, or New Zealand or Australia or Canada perhaps? Nice bit of over generalization. On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 11:52 AM, GMoney wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > >> That's cool. I certa

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-14 Thread GMoney
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > That's cool. I certainly have no idea which way the independents are > leaning, but then I think that there aren't really that many independents > There are people who claim to be independents because they don't want to > be labelled as a

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-14 Thread Jerry Barnes
"OK well.i can't find much as to which way independents are leaning (did only a cursory search)." Same here. I find "polls" and surveys indicating one way or another. It all depends on who is conducting the poll. "I guess I would offer that my own personal experience suggests what you pos

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-14 Thread GMoney
OK well.i can't find much as to which way independents are leaning (did only a cursory search). I guess I would offer that my own personal experience suggests what you posted is not true. We are not leaning overwhelmingly towards Romney. But i guess my friends and I could be the exception to

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-14 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Whoa whoa...can you source that about independents?" Of course I can't. It's not my survey or my analysis (it was a cut and paste). I can only confirm the percentages. That's why I am telling you to check yourself anytime you see a survey. The survey I posted about was from Monday of this we

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-14 Thread GMoney
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > The problem is that this survey over-samples Democratic voters > and under-samples Independents which are leaning toward Romney by > double-digits. > Whoa whoa...can you source that about independents? I'm an independent, many of my frien

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Why do you think Romney is going to win? Most polls have Obama ahead, thought it's a slight margin. Do you expect a late Romney rally??" Next time you see one of the polls with Obama ahead, read the details. That is, if they publish them. I have noticed that more and more polls are hiding the

RE: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-13 Thread Eric Roberts
: 630-486-5255 fax: 630-310-8531 http://www.threeravensconsulting.com -Original Message- From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 1:39 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya I

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-13 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I think I just threw up in my mouth. On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Yeah, they would all look like the love child of Ann Coulter and Todd Akin. > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > >> >> better than spreading politicians. >> >> think of the child

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-13 Thread Maureen
Yeah, they would all look like the love child of Ann Coulter and Todd Akin. On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > better than spreading politicians. > > think of the children! > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Maureen wrote: > > > > The NRA does two things very well

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-13 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
better than spreading politicians. think of the children! On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Maureen wrote: > > The NRA does two things very well. They buy politicians. And they spread > fear. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Ant

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-13 Thread Maureen
The NRA does two things very well. They buy politicians. And they spread fear. On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 11:45 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > I really dislike the NRA. IMO they aren't about it being an individual > right, and about it's being about military style weapons. They compromise > far too

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-13 Thread LRS Scout
I like Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 2:45 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > I really dislike the NRA. IMO they aren't about it being an individual > right, and about it's being about military style weapons. They compromise > far too fa

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-13 Thread LRS Scout
I really dislike the NRA. IMO they aren't about it being an individual right, and about it's being about military style weapons. They compromise far too fast. On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Maureen wrote: > > I know I'll get blasted for this, but IMO, the NRA is nothing more than the > PR d

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-13 Thread LRS Scout
Ok, Larry. On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > I thnk that Tim here is referring to the recently concluded firearms > export treaty talks (which went nowhere btw), intended to restrict the > international traffic of small arms. > > The thing is that many right wing groups

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-13 Thread Maureen
I know I'll get blasted for this, but IMO, the NRA is nothing more than the PR department of the weapons industry and any treaty that reduces sales anywhere on the globe would be a target for opposition. On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > Given that the treaty was entirely

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-13 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I thnk that Tim here is referring to the recently concluded firearms export treaty talks (which went nowhere btw), intended to restrict the international traffic of small arms. The thing is that many right wing groups automatically concluded that it meant since the US were involved in the talks,

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-13 Thread LRS Scout
Which is why I'm most likely voting for Gary Johnson. Depending on how the CIC handles this ME stuff. On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Maureen wrote: > > The US is not under the jurisdiction of the UN, so even if that was his > plan, which I doubt, it wouldn't work. Very few US citizens would

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-13 Thread Maureen
The US is not under the jurisdiction of the UN, so even if that was his plan, which I doubt, it wouldn't work. Very few US citizens would stand for that, including me. (I actually had a strong anti-gun control stance until one Mother's Day when my son was having lunch at the neighborhood Mexican

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-13 Thread LRS Scout
Mass has some of the worst gun laws in country, I won't argue that. I don't like Romney, I don't want him to be president either. On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Vivec wrote: > > Boom :-) > > Counter the FUD ^_^ > > On 13 September 2012 14:18, Maureen wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-13 Thread Vivec
Boom :-) Counter the FUD ^_^ On 13 September 2012 14:18, Maureen wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 10:58 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > > > > They are more supportive of the 2nd amendment and view it as an > individual > > right. That's my main issue. > > > > Are you sure? From Fox News: > GUNS:

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-13 Thread LRS Scout
Obama has been trying to use the UN to sneak in gun control. I wasn't talking about Romney in the end, I was talking about republican V democrat. On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Maureen wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 10:58 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > > > > They are more supportive of the 2n

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-13 Thread Maureen
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 10:58 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > They are more supportive of the 2nd amendment and view it as an individual > right. That's my main issue. > Are you sure? From Fox News: GUNS: Obama: Has not pushed for gun control measures as president. Signed laws letting people carry

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-13 Thread GMoney
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "I would feel extremely disappointed and concerned if Romney were in > charge of > the US for the next 4 years. Not him, and certainly not Ryan." > > I think you are going to be disappointed then. > Why do you think Romney is going to wi

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-13 Thread LRS Scout
They are more supportive of the 2nd amenment and view it as an individual right. That's my main issue. Money, for the most part they would like to let you keep it. I'm no fan of redistribution. The repubs have men like Col West and Ron Paul. Yes they have a lot of dirtbags too, but I don't se

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-13 Thread Maureen
Define guns and money. On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 10:45 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > IMO guns and money. > > Again I don't like either of them, but if I had to choose. > On Sep 13, 2012 1:43 PM, "Maureen" wrote: > > > > > In what way does it suck less? Not being snarky here. Really want to

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-13 Thread LRS Scout
IMO guns and money. Again I don't like either of them, but if I had to choose. On Sep 13, 2012 1:43 PM, "Maureen" wrote: > > In what way does it suck less? Not being snarky here. Really want to hear > YOUR view on why they are better. Facts, please. Not spin or soundbites. > > On Thu

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-13 Thread Maureen
In what way does it suck less? Not being snarky here. Really want to hear YOUR view on why they are better. Facts, please. Not spin or soundbites. On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > You're shit out of luck there, at least in my opinion. As I have said many > times: T

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I would feel extremely disappointed and concerned if Romney were in charge of the US for the next 4 years. Not him, and certainly not Ryan." I think you are going to be disappointed then. "The entire GOP needs to change back to what it used to be, not the extremist mess that its become." Two t

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-13 Thread Sam
That's awesome. I think you just convinced me to vote for him. . On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Vivec wrote: > I would feel extremely disappointed and concerned if Romney were in charge of > the US for the next 4 years. ~|

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-13 Thread Vivec
Fuck that. I like what he said, it was frank and it was honest. I would feel extremely disappointed and concerned if Romney were in charge of the US for the next 4 years. Not him, and certainly not Ryan. The entire GOP needs to change back to what it used to be, not the extremist mess that its b

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-13 Thread Sam
Then they said this: “In an effort to cool the situation down, it didn’t come from me, it didn’t come from Secretary Clinton. It came from people on the ground who are potentially in danger,” Obama said. “And my tendency is to cut folks a little bit of slack when they’re in that circumstance, rat

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-13 Thread Sam
Stop hating. . On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions > > Can we all come to the conclusion that religion is a joke? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Col

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-13 Thread Sam
Condemning free speech when someone threatens to protest is an apology. . On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > I've been hearing a lot of republicans complain about the Embassy and > the President apologizing. Where is the apology here? > > "The Embassy of the United State

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-13 Thread Sam
Odd that this deleted tweet is missing: 6:30 p.m., 9/11/12. @USEmbassyCairo tweets: "This morning's condemnation (issued before protests began) still stands. As does condemnation of unjustified breach of the Embassy." This tweet is later deleted. Oh yeah, Talking Points Memo explains it all. .

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-12 Thread LRS Scout
Most troops aren't even near to being killers man. They are clerks and programmers and commo guys that learn to shoot a gun and quickly forget all about that. The military is something like 2% combat arms and SOF. I agree about religion, as far as I'm concerned organized religion has caused as m

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-12 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 5:54 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > I think its ignorant to ignore the common causality of both situations. We > need to take responsibility for our own part. We have in large part > created this situation. > > We can either was our hands of the whole affair or try to actually

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I liked Obama's response to Romney's attack: "There's a broader lesson to be learned here: Gov. Romney seems to have a tendency to shoot first and aim later and as president one of the things I've learned is you can't do that," Obama told CBS News Wednesday."It's important for you to make sure th

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I've been hearing a lot of republicans complain about the Embassy and the President apologizing. Where is the apology here? "The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims - as we condemn efforts to offe

Re: Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-12 Thread LRS Scout
I think its ignorant to ignore the common causality of both situations. We need to take responsibility for our own part. We have in large part created this situation. We can either was our hands of the whole affair or try to actually do something to resolve it. On Sep 12, 2012 5:50 PM, "Judah M

Timeline of events in Egypt and Libya

2012-09-12 Thread Judah McAuley
Good chronological run down of events leading up to the protests in Egypt and then the attack in Libya and the responses in the US. http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/a-timeline-of-the-attacks-in-libya-and-egyptand-the-responses.php I think that a lot of people are confusing the even