RE: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-03 Thread Eric Roberts
UPS and FedEx seem to be doing quite well... -Original Message- From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 12:54 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 4:21 AM, Jerry

RE: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-03 Thread Eric Roberts
" I'd say the opposite. Shareholders own the company. It's up to them to police the company and punish the company by selling stock and investing elsewhere. Those who don't do their job lose money when the company fail." So explain Wall Street Jerry? Even before the bailout, as Wall Street w

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-03 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I think we have a misunderstanding there. I mean that I want private industry to try and do the things that government does better and cheaper. If they can, great, private industry should do it. I want both industry and government to be as efficient, cost-effective, responsive and responsible as

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-03 Thread Judah McAuley
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 4:21 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "I want to see government keep private industry in check and vice-versa." > > The government has some responsibility to keep private industry in check.  I > do NOT want private industry keeping the government in check.  That is > lobbying by

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-03 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Thus far the only consistency is that you seem to be 'against socialism'." What gave it away? "You seem to think that Single Payer is socialist as well" "As for the so-called Public Option, do you consider that socialist?" The public option is just a step towards single payer which is a step

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-02 Thread Judah McAuley
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > Regardless of the argument changes, I may want to stop.  My premise is the > same and this is the same old circle of arguments that come up all of the > time.  I should just find a link to any of the old threads and say go read > this. > > > W

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-02 Thread Jerry Barnes
"An assumption of altruism on the part of companies and corporate is way too pie-in-the-sky for me." Preach it. "I cannot think of a single company that cares more for their customers than their profits. " Amen "They may take care of a customer because doing so increases their profit, but as

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-02 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Just pick an argument and stick with it Jerry." Hard to advance an argument without some change. I even admitted that you were right. Insurance companies would not go bankrupt. This alone resulted in some changes to my arguments. The main problem is I started out too big in scope and I have

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-02 Thread Sam
You think they give a rats ass now? Why do you think the insurance companies pushed so hard for government guaranteed customers. You thought service was bad before? See what happens now. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > The fact that it is all about profit and nothing el

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-02 Thread Maureen
An assumption of altruism on the part of companies and corporate is way too pie-in-the-sky for me. I cannot think of a single company that cares more for their customers than their profits. They may take care of a customer because doing so increases their profit, but as soon as that customer bec

RE: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-02 Thread Eric Roberts
care about it's customers needs to go join the dinosaurs. -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 4:01 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party "Ah, right. Please go check th

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-02 Thread Judah McAuley
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Ah, right. Please go check the earnings statements for health insurance > companies and tell me which ones are going bankrupt." > > I'm no fan of insurance companies.  They seem to be the embodiment of > greed.  This greed helped open the

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-02 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Ah, right. Please go check the earnings statements for health insurance companies and tell me which ones are going bankrupt." I'm no fan of insurance companies. They seem to be the embodiment of greed. This greed helped open the door for health care deform. That being said, you're right. The

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-02 Thread Judah McAuley
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 4:02 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > Judah, if you bankrupt the insurance companies, it will come. Just to explicitly follow up on this really incredibly wrong point, let us review: Largest private health insurance companies in the US: UnitedHealth Group: http://finance.yaho

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-02 Thread Judah McAuley
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 4:02 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "At this point I have to question your intelligence Jerry." > > Judah, I get it.  I'm stupid because I don't agree with you. I apologized for this statement in a different email, fyi. It was wrong of me to say that. > > Judah, you got me.

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-02 Thread Sam
“I don’t think you want me to waste my time to read every page of the health care bill. You know why? It’s statutory language. We hire experts.” - Sen. Max Baucus (D-MT) one of the chief authors of the new health care law On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Maureen wrote: > > So glad you read it.

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-02 Thread Jerry Barnes
"At this point I have to question your intelligence Jerry." Judah, I get it. I'm stupid because I don't agree with you. " I followed the bill progress very closely because 1) It is a long standing interest of mine. I was knocking on doors in 1994 for health care reform and 2) this is the indus

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Maureen
So glad you read it. Did it help? On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Sam wrote: > > There's 2700 pages and $trillions of reasons why people don't like Obamacare. > But we must be stupid > > So I found this article for stupid people:

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Sam
There's 2700 pages and $trillions of reasons why people don't like Obamacare. But we must be stupid So I found this article for stupid people: Explaining ObamaCare To Stupid http://www.forbes.com/2010/08/23/obamacare-democrats-elections-opinions-columnists-merrill-matthews.html?boxes=financechan

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Maureen
Glad she is doing well. How much longer will she need the tube? I had two preemies so I know the strain of sick kids. Both are in the their 30s now. The oldest is going through some rough medical stuff now, and I'm still only a mom with a sick kid. Just can't rock this one to sleep any more.

RE: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Eric Roberts
Kids force the gushing ;-) -Original Message- From: Scott Stewart [mailto:webmas...@sstwebworks.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:40 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party She seems to be ok with the tube, she doesn't r

RE: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Scott Stewart
eeech) -Original Message- From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:43 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party Gush away my friend. Sorry to hear that the medical stuff is messed up but I'm g

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Judah McAuley
ulting.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:48 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: RE: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party > > > Glad she is ok...that trach tube is going to be rough on a kid though.  I > can't imagine my daughters dealing with

RE: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Scott Stewart
ever and the more I laugh the more irritated she gets.. Sorry for gushing about my kid :) -Original Message- From: Eric Roberts [mailto:ow...@threeravensconsulting.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:48 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teaba

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Maureen
It is boilerplate opposition rhetoric, and I too cannot help but boggle when really smart people allow themselves to be used to spread it, especially since in some cases it is not really the message they want to spread. Their real concern is with the cost and ineffectiveness of the health care bi

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Judah McAuley
Roberts wrote: > > And remember...I was questioning his intelligence long before anyone else > ;-) > > -Original Message- > From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 1:31 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: intersting op

RE: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Eric Roberts
t: Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party Fortunately my daughter is ok, she'll need a Trach-Tube for a while but at least she's breathing On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 3:30 PM, G Money wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > >> >> &

RE: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Eric Roberts
And remember...I was questioning his intelligence long before anyone else ;-) -Original Message- From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 1:31 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party On Wed

RE: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Eric Roberts
Is there a difference? They all want to make the US a corporatist state. -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 1:15 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party WSJ not fascist

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Scott Stewart
It felt to me like they were far more concerned with "Lets make sure we don't get sued" than "Let's help our patients get better" Give me the damn data and let me decide whether or not I want or need to process it. I *will* participate in my daughter's health care whether they like it or not.. Th

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread denstar
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > "Communication and transparency would help lots.  That's part of why > I'm not anti-government-involvement in health care.  We need some > regulation and a lot more reform. > " > Yeah.. my daughter was back in the hospital and the PICU at UN

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Scott Stewart
Fortunately my daughter is ok, she'll need a Trach-Tube for a while but at least she's breathing On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 3:30 PM, G Money wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Scott Stewart > wrote: > >> >> "Communication and transparency would help lots.  That's part of why >> I'm not anti

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread denstar
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:07 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: >> "It still has nothing to do with socialism." >> >> Ahh, but it does.  The bill itself is a socialist ideal.  The health care >> system will come to resemble European health care system

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread G Money
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > "Communication and transparency would help lots. That's part of why > I'm not anti-government-involvement in health care. We need some > regulation and a lot more reform. > " > Yeah.. my daughter was back in the hospital and the PICU at U

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Sam
I'm just playing with you. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > that is your loss then. > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Sam wrote: >> >> After serious consideration I decided to decline. >> >> Thanks you anyway.

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Larry C. Lyons
that is your loss then. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Sam wrote: > > After serious consideration I decided to decline. > > Thanks you anyway. > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Sam wrote: >> Thanks, I'll consider that. >> >> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: >>> >>> You

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Scott Stewart
"Communication and transparency would help lots. That's part of why I'm not anti-government-involvement in health care. We need some regulation and a lot more reform. " Yeah.. my daughter was back in the hospital and the PICU at UNC Chapel hill was the epitome of non-transparency I literally had

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Maureen
Nah..I already said we abolish the lobbyists and fire the bureaucrats. Try to keep up. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > what and let the bureaucrats and lobbyists have even more power than > they do now? > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: >> >> "W

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Maureen
Having been through two medical malpractice lawsuits, I think you overstate the frequency and ease of filing.You may phone a lawyer at the "slightest negative side effect form a drug or procedure" but as you obviously discovered, you have to have both cause and harm to file or win. The reali

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread denstar
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: ... > On a somewhat related note: my wife almost died form a ruptured > ectopic pregnancy as she laid in a hospital room for 2 days while her > dip shit doctors tried to figure out what was wrong (when they finally > did, they discovered during s

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Jerry Barnes
"http://www.cpb.org/aboutcpb/goals/objectivity/pollsummary.html among others I found." I like this one better: http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664.aspx J - No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. - Mark Twain The

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Scott Stroz
OK, that made me literally laugh out loud. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Sam wrote: > > After serious consideration I decided to decline. > > Thanks you anyway. > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Sam wrote: >> Thanks, I'll consider that. >> >> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Larry C. Lyons

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Jerry Barnes
"What's also highly amusing is that according to these statistics over 54 million people in the United States are NOT covered by any sort of medical system.'" The 54 million number is kind of like the attendance to Glenn Beck's rally. It depends on who you ask. One side will say significantly lo

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Jerry Barnes
"what and let the bureaucrats and lobbyists have even more power than they do now?" Imprison them too. It can be the French Revolution all over again. J - No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. - Mark Twain The artificial aristocracy is a mischievous

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Sam
After serious consideration I decided to decline. Thanks you anyway. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Sam wrote: > Thanks, I'll consider that. > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: >> >> You know Sam, your replies would have a lot more credibility if you >> didn't engage in

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Larry C. Lyons
what and let the bureaucrats and lobbyists have even more power than they do now? On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "We should impose term limits on all politicians. Two terms, at most. One > term in office, then one term in prison." > > Nice.  I like it. > > > J > > - > >

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Larry C. Lyons
http://www.cpb.org/aboutcpb/goals/objectivity/pollsummary.html among others I found. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > " And they are a lot more objective than FAUX news." > > According to whom? > > J > > - > > No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislat

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Sam
Thanks, I'll consider that. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > You know Sam, your replies would have a lot more credibility if you > didn't engage in this sort of name calling. > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfu

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Jerry Barnes
"We should impose term limits on all politicians. Two terms, at most. One term in office, then one term in prison." Nice. I like it. J - No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. - Mark Twain The artificial aristocracy is a mischievous ingredient in go

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Jerry Barnes
"It is a bad thing because it removes the ability of large corporations to make obscene profits off the suffering and disease of people." I am no fan of insurance companies and those milking the health care system. J - No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in se

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Not really, the countries are comparable. But the point I was making is that Jerry had lumped all the EU countries into one socialized medicine monolith. When clearly they are not." True. There is not one huge health system in Europe. Each country has its own flavor. J - No man's life,

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Larry C. Lyons
You know Sam, your replies would have a lot more credibility if you didn't engage in this sort of name calling. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Sam wrote: > > Typical useful idiot response. > > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: >> >> At this point I have to question your in

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Jerry Barnes
" And they are a lot more objective than FAUX news." According to whom? J - No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. - Mark Twain The artificial aristocracy is a mischievous ingredient in government, and provisions should be made to prevent its ascendan

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread denstar
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:44 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Most citizens don't care, either way." > > They care after the fact.  Kind of like Arthur Dent.  All he had to do was > go to the galactic planning system and lodge a complaint.  But did he?  No. > He waited for the Vogons to show up before

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Sam
Are you a clinger? On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Maureen wrote: > > WSJ not fascist. Most like propaganda organ for Saudi royal family and > Murdoch, the owners. > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Eric Roberts > wrote: >> >> Oh yeah...the fascist street journal...home to "we wouldn't know

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Sam
That reads like an Obama Press release. Except for the part where Obama himself revised the number down to 30 million. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/23/opinion/23sun1.html?_r=1 The Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality in the Department of Health and Human Services estimates that 28 milli

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Sam
Typical useful idiot response. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > At this point I have to question your intelligence Jerry. I followed > the bill progress very closely because 1) It is a long standing > interest of mine. I was knocking on doors in 1994 for health care > re

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Scott Stroz
u have to have insurance.  Why do you >> think hospitals charge 30/pill for a .02 pill? >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Sisk, Kris [mailto:ks...@gckschools.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 12:26 PM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: RE: intersting opin

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Scott Stroz
so that you have to have insurance.  Why do you > think hospitals charge 30/pill for a .02 pill? > > -Original Message- > From: Sisk, Kris [mailto:ks...@gckschools.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 12:26 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: RE: intersting opinio

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Judah McAuley
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:07 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > "It still has nothing to do with socialism." > > Ahh, but it does.  The bill itself is a socialist ideal.  The health care > system will come to resemble European health care systems unless the bill is > repealed. At this point I have to ques

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Maureen
WSJ not fascist. Most like propaganda organ for Saudi royal family and Murdoch, the owners. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Oh yeah...the fascist street journal...home to "we wouldn't know objective > journalism that didn't favor the interests of the rich if it bitchslap

RE: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Eric Roberts
01, 2010 12:26 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party Meh, insurance has never been the problem with American health care. It's cost. When you can go across the border (either of them) and get the exact same medicine from the exact

RE: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Eric Roberts
ommunity Subject: Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party This just in: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703369704575461840575037482.ht ml On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote

RE: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Eric Roberts
and Limbaugh told you...nevermind. Eric -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:45 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Vivec wrote: > >

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Sam
Agreed, but instead of fixing the problems we created new ones and made the whole thing worse. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Sisk, Kris wrote: > > Meh, insurance has never been the problem with American health care. > It's cost. When you can go across the border (either of them) and get > th

RE: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Sisk, Kris
10:45 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Vivec wrote: > > What's also highly amusing is that according to these statistics over > 54 million people in the United States are NOT covered by any sort o

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Sam
This just in: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703369704575461840575037482.html On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: >> >> "The only slide to socialism that is really happening is from the pundits >> who sl

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Maureen
We should impose term limits on all politicians. Two terms, at most. One term in office, then one term in prison. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:07 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "The representatives never listen to their constituents.  They listen to > whomever is putting the most money in their pockets

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Sam
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Vivec wrote: > > What's also highly amusing is that according to these statistics over > 54 million people in the United States are NOT covered by any sort of > medical system.' It's more like 30 million without insurance. We have 10 million people are unemploye

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Sam
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Vivec wrote: > > It is a bad thing because it removes the ability of large corporations > to make obscene profits off the suffering and disease of people. You do realize this bill was put together by big pharma and insurance co's, not the republicans? > It also

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Vivec
What's also highly amusing is that according to these statistics over 54 million people in the United States are NOT covered by any sort of medical system.' LOL! Sucks to be those people hahaha! They should have studied harder eh? :-) Pfft..and anyway, 54 million out of 302 million people is l

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Vivec
It is a bad thing because it removes the ability of large corporations to make obscene profits off the suffering and disease of people. It also affects the entrepreneurial drive of corporate executives to find new and inventive ways to package insurance policies, and ensure that the firms do not

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Larry C. Lyons
pean systems listed is a bad thing. > > -Original Message- > From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:27 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party > > > forgo

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Larry C. Lyons
So what facts are facts. And they are a lot more objective than FAUX news. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "NPR" > > National Progressive Radio > > J > > - > > No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in > session. - Mark Twain > > The artifici

RE: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Sisk, Kris
resembles that of any of the European systems listed is a bad thing. -Original Message- From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:27 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party forgot to mention the

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Jerry Barnes
"NPR" National Progressive Radio J - No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. - Mark Twain The artificial aristocracy is a mischievous ingredient in government, and provisions should be made to prevent its ascendancy. - Thomas Jefferson ~~

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Larry C. Lyons
forgot to mention the NPR site also has a point by point comparison of various EU countries, Switzerland, Japan and the US in terms of health care coverage and costs: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=110997469 On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > Do you ha

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Do you have any idea what the European nations have for health care? France's is very different than England's, and both are very different than Germany's. Before you start ranting about European socialist medical care, you really ought to know what you're talking about. Yes Britain's health care

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Jerry Barnes
"The representatives never listen to their constituents. They listen to whomever is putting the most money in their pockets. Still doesn't make them socialists." Sometimes they listen. Representatives usually listen for a small time frame every two years. Senators listen during a small windo

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Maureen
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 3:39 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Whether you agree with the content of the bill or not, and I don't, health > care legislation was voted on and passed by duly elected representatives of > the Republic. Nothing socialist about that." > > Yes, it was voted on by representati

RE: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Eric Roberts
;t want to vote on a republican bill solely because the democrats put it forward. -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:10 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party "

RE: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Eric Roberts
y did something instead of just vote for pork barrels projects like the Bridge to Nowhere. Eric -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:40 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Wow, you call 9 months of hearings, wrangling, markup, kowtowing to the Gang of 6 (half Republicans) and tossing aside anything that had any slight smell of appealing to health care reform advocates (even the watered down public option) as 'ramming through'?" Yes. Yes I do. There are the payof

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-09-01 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Whether you agree with the content of the bill or not, and I don't, health care legislation was voted on and passed by duly elected representatives of the Republic. Nothing socialist about that." Yes, it was voted on by representatives. Interestingly enough, the representatives were not listeni

RE: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-08-31 Thread Eric Roberts
to:ju...@wiredotter.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 12:02 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "The only slide to socialism that is really happening is from the pundits

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-08-31 Thread Judah McAuley
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "The only slide to socialism that is really happening is from the pundits > who slid into using the word when they realized they could no longer scare > the masses by labeling someone a liberal." > > Sure. > > Just as a small reminder, in c

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-08-31 Thread Maureen
Whether you agree with the content of the bill or not, and I don't, health care legislation was voted on and passed by duly elected representatives of the Republic. Nothing socialist about that. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > Just as a small reminder, in case you forgot

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-08-31 Thread Jerry Barnes
"The only slide to socialism that is really happening is from the pundits who slid into using the word when they realized they could no longer scare the masses by labeling someone a liberal." Sure. Just as a small reminder, in case you forgot, the current administration rammed through health car

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-08-31 Thread Judah McAuley
You said you got a rainbow farting unicorn with your new job. Maybe you were drunk when you said that? Judah On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Medic wrote: > > Yeah. America is about as far from socialism as I am from a rainbow farting > unicorn. > > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Maureen w

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-08-31 Thread Medic
Yeah. America is about as far from socialism as I am from a rainbow farting unicorn. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Maureen wrote: > > The only slide to socialism that is really happening is from the > pundits who slid into using the word when they realized they could no > longer scare the m

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-08-31 Thread Maureen
The only slide to socialism that is really happening is from the pundits who slid into using the word when they realized they could no longer scare the masses by labeling someone a liberal. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > At least Obama's rapid move towards European soc

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-08-31 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I've been griping about those dang Republicrats for years. How they keep most of the public thinking they're separate parties is beyond me." There are small differences. That's about it. People bitch about Obama. McCain would have been just as bad. He would have continued the slide to Europe

RE: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-08-31 Thread Sisk, Kris
intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party Some people argue that the two parties are just branches of the same party. If so, it would be called the corruptacrats. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-08-31 Thread Jerry Barnes
"They said government should recognize any marriages and only recognize civil unions, whether they be between opposite sex or same sex. " Should have been They said government should not recognize any marriages and only recognize civil unions, whether they be between opposite sex or same sex.

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-08-31 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Most citizens don't care, either way." They care after the fact. Kind of like Arthur Dent. All he had to do was go to the galactic planning system and lodge a complaint. But did he? No. He waited for the Vogons to show up before he started bitching. "Yes. Of course, we probably never woul

RE: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-08-30 Thread Eric Roberts
carrier. -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:49 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party "Posting a reward for it is slimy. It's potential existence...yuck."

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-08-30 Thread denstar
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote > >> "The really scary stuff went down with the last Administration.  This one is >> just not wanting to give the power back." > > They started some things that are not good for citizen rights. Most citizens don't care, either way. > >> "This o

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-08-30 Thread denstar
Right on! Laughter is good for the heart! :Den -- Lend yourself to others, but give yourself to yourself. Michel de Montaigne On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Sam wrote: > > Hey Den, > > I found the racist tea partier > > http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/08/30/matthews-and-madd

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-08-30 Thread Sam
Not sure I agree with you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN_controversies On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 4:16 PM, G Money wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Sisk, Kris wrote: > >> >> NBC is about as far to the left as Fox is to the right. Ditto for most >> of the other major news corps. None

Re: intersting opinion piece on Beck and the teabagging party

2010-08-30 Thread G Money
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Sisk, Kris wrote: > > NBC is about as far to the left as Fox is to the right. Ditto for most > of the other major news corps. None of them approach the center unless > they've changed since I got fed up with them all several years back. > CNN is really not that

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