Re: ColdFusion 8 Purchase Story

2007-07-31 Thread Sean Corfield
On 7/31/07, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2. For some reason my orders are never accepted by Adobe and always get > sent for approval Are you sure it's not because you're being so strident in your criticisms of the price increase? :D :D :D :D > 8. Overnight I got the serial number em

RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Dave Watts
> Dale, I did a quick search for software pricing to put the > CF8 pricing in some perspective.. > > Windows 2003 Enterprise 3,443 > Windows 2003 Standard 958 > > Oracle 10g Enterprise 40,000 > Oracle 10g Standard 4,995 > > Sql Server Enterprise 1

CF MX7, Solaris 10, Apache 2.0.58 Segfault

2007-07-31 Thread Brian Hines
Hi - just installed CF MX7 (server configuration) using Apache 2.0.58 as my web server. I am on a Sun box running Solaris 10. I just did the install (tried it 3 times), and get the same result. When I try to open *any* web page now, I get a segfault. Below is the output from the various logs. Ca

RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Eric Roberts
You have to use the Thin client and then it works fine. Eric -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin Unless the Oracle supplied driver has changed recently, some things don

Re: Server Monitoring in Standard

2007-07-31 Thread James Holmes
The feature list (http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/editions/) has it as Enterprise only - was it a CF8 license key that you've just purchased? On 8/1/07, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Did I see correctly people complaining about Standard not having Server > Monitoring? > > > > I

RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Eric Roberts
Yeah...isn't MS discontinuing support for VB? Eric -Original Message- From: Doug Bezona [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin I would love to see the ROI calculation on this decision: x amount for classes x

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Sean Corfield
On 7/31/07, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for your response. I understand that it's not your decision and that > there are factors that impact pricing. I also understand that not everyone > who might have fought for a lower price can always win, it's good that you > had an opportu

RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Dave Watts
> The .Net development not only creates the web service but it > also creates WSDL and a Test page to test the web service. CF creates WSDL in the same manner. No test page, though. > I've also found the web service code generated by CF does not > include the proper header info, which has cause

Re: CFC defining vars

2007-07-31 Thread Janet MacKay
>The unnamed query still goes into the variables scope if you don't var scope >it. I would definitely name them and var scope them. I always name/var my queries but I don't understand that comment :) If the query is unnamed, _what_ is being put into the variables scope?

Re: cfPresention Standard Edition Limitation

2007-07-31 Thread Mark Mandel
You can unlimited viewers, but creation will be limited to one simultaneous thread. So it just isn't as fast on creation, if you have multiple people hit it at once. Mark On 8/1/07, Greg Fuller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From Adobe's feature comparison PDF: > > Enterprise feature that runs thr

RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Andrew Scott
Which is why we are a java shop now, enterprise applications are cheaper overall to integrate into open source solutions, and then when you have a $7.5k license to an application you are developing and use only about 2% of the features to distribute your application costs more with Coldfusion 8. B

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread James Holmes
A quick check of the latest Oracle thin client download page shows that Java up to 1.5 is supported. Since CF8 ships with Java 6, there may be a further issue. On 8/1/07, Eric Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You have to use the Thin client and then it works fine. > > Eric > > -Original Me

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Rey Bango
Casey, To further back your case, anyone that is sitting here thinking that they *have* to buy CF for their development is incorrect. You can download a copy right now and use the developer edition for free. So along with your great statement about having clients pay for their hosting, there's

RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread John Mason
From: Charles E. Heizer1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Trust me, I really don't want to jump ship but when people keep whispering PHP/ASP etc. to management, and the product cost is, well free. It makes it a really hard sell. We have also had,in the past a really hard time finding good quality CF d

Re: OT/FYI: SmarterMail utility

2007-07-31 Thread Jake Pilgrim
Most of the smarterTools products expose a Webservice API which you can connect to fairly easily. See: http://help.smartertools.com/SmarterMail/v4/ (change the last dir to match your version number) Help for System Admins -> Additional Topics -> Automation with Web Services ~

Server Monitoring in Standard

2007-07-31 Thread Dale Fraser
Did I see correctly people complaining about Standard not having Server Monitoring? I just installed with my real Standard licence, and Server Monitoring is there, did I read something wrong? Regards Dale Fraser http://dalefraser.blogspot.com ~~

Re: CFC defining vars

2007-07-31 Thread Janet MacKay
>The unnamed query still goes into the variables scope if you don't var scope >it. I would definitely name them and var scope them. Okay, I don't quite understand that comment. If the query is unnamed, _what_ is being put into the variables scope?

RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Eric Roberts
Big shocker...a price increase. Get over it dude. Every company has cost increases. Those cost increases are usually translated into price increases. Welcome to reality Dale. I don't know which market you were refereeing to before where software is getting cheaper or free...maybe in the hobby

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Rey Bango
I couldn't have said it better myself Dave. Rey Dave Watts wrote: > If doing so would save them money in the long run, and if this is something > they could easily discover by, oh, doing their job and calculating ROI, then > they're not worth doing business with. It's not worth doing business wit

RE: CFDocument Help

2007-07-31 Thread Chad Gray
I started playing more with cfdocument. The below code fit a div with a 1px border exactly onto a 8.5x11 document. You move it 1px in any direction and it gets funky... there is definitely some translation when going from HTML to PDF when using CFDocument. -Original

RE: No Debug Access, Tricks for getting some kind of debug info?

2007-07-31 Thread Scott Stewart
Hey Mike, Could you forward a copy of that template to me.. Pleeeze :) -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer SSTWebworks 4405 Oakshyre Way Raleigh, NC. 27616 (703) 220-2835 http://www.sstwebworks.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/sstwebworks -Original Message- From: Adrian Lyn

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Dinner
Another thing to keep in mind, is, Open Source. It's starting to Crush, you know? Still hasn't flipped the script, but we're getting close. Seriously close. Guess it's sorta like the tulip thing, or whatever- The stock market, etc.- You ride as long as you can, and hope you don't stay too long

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Bruce Sorge
This happened to me when I was working at Baylor. When new management took over, they were totally on the MS banswagon and I was forced to learn ..NET/C#. They completely did away with over 5 years of Intranet in ColdFusion and decided to convert it all to .NET. I was disappointed that they did not

RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Brad Wood
Lol. Thanks's for the insult. I purposely asked on the list because: 1) It was a thread that actually technical for once 2) I figured other people could benefit from the answer 3) I wanted to know how Brian was using it in the context of CF, which Google probably won't tell me. Kind of like whe

ColdFusion Content Management Systems

2007-07-31 Thread Ron G
I am looking for a ColdFusion based CMS for a fairly large corporation. After shopping around I have come across a product called ShadoCMS. I have not heard much mention of them within the community, and I was hoping someone might have some experience with the product. It looks like a pretty nic

RE: Email Blasts - detecting bouncebacks

2007-07-31 Thread Gaulin, Mark
We use boogietools and have found it to be relatively easy to work with (for .net anyway)... much more robust than the code we original created to parse bounced emails. Mark -Original Message- From: Doug Bezona [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:13 PM To: CF

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Dinner
On 7/31/07, John Mason wrote: > JBoss Enterprise4,500 Hey, here's an apple! > Another point for the Adobe people, I remember when the standard/enterprise > started and there was a lot complaining back then. With the price gap > getting wider, maybe it's time for a thi

RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Robert Harrison
> What's the deal with people who think that you should be happy to pay > more because there are new features. All I can say is, Thanks Adobe. I just got my company to pay for a series of clases for .net and vb.net. Worked out OK for me. Don't know if it will work out for Adobe when we start

Re: CFC defining vars

2007-07-31 Thread Brian Kotek
The unnamed query still goes into the variables scope if you don't var scope it. I would definitely name them and var scope them. On 7/31/07, Brad Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually I thought cfqueries which don't return a result set actually > remove their query name from whatever scope

RE: Email Blasts - detecting bouncebacks

2007-07-31 Thread Justin Scott
> I've seen systems that will track bounceback as a > result from large outgoing email campains. How is > this done? Anyone have success tracking bounce > backs, bad emails etc. We have our bounces directed to a specific mailbox and have a ColdFusion script check against it every few minutes. W

RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Dale Fraser
Ben, Thanks for your response. I understand that it's not your decision and that there are factors that impact pricing. I also understand that not everyone who might have fought for a lower price can always win, it's good that you had an opportunity to voice your opinion. As I said in the origina

ColdFusion 8 Purchase Story

2007-07-31 Thread Dale Fraser
Not sure if anyone else experienced this, I have a theory but will share the story first. 1. Ordered ColdFusion 8 when it was released. 2. For some reason my orders are never accepted by Adobe and always get sent for approval 3. The following day I get my approval emails (this is normal fo

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Dinner
On 7/31/07, Robert Harrison wrote: > All I can say is, Thanks Adobe. I just got my company to pay for a series of > clases for .net and vb.net. > > Worked out OK for me. Don't know if it will work out for Adobe when we start > dumping CF. Eeeew! dot net? *gags* (nothing wrong with it, just

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Raymond Camden
So it makes the WSDL and a test page. CF makes the WSDL as well. Now a test page - I grant you - would be nice. That could be a good edition to CFEclipse. I haven't heard of any issues with the WSDL CF produces. Have you logged bug reports for these? On 7/31/07, Charles E. Heizer1 <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Rey Bango
Robert, Its sad to see any developer give up on CF but it sounds that by you saying, "I just got my company to pay for a series of classes for .net and vb.net", its a decision that you've been mulling for some time. You just don't wake up one day and arbitrarily say, "I'm going to drop several

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Raymond Camden
And if we are going to compare Web Service features - CF makes automatic documentation for web services. That's probably just as useful as a test page. :) On 7/31/07, Charles E. Heizer1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The .Net development not only creates the web service but it also creates > WSDL a

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Jim Wright
> With the price gap > getting wider, maybe it's time for a third version, let's call it a > "Business" version. That provides some of the least costly new features and > provides a bridge (or stepping stone) from standard to enterprise. I think > that would solve a lot of issues with this and take

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Carlos Paez Jr
At my group in Motorola we have 5 CF enterprise licenses. We don't pay for upgrades, instead we pay ~1500 per license in maintenance and it lasts for 2 years. And yes, $7,500 is nothing to an enterprise company. On 7/31/07, Billy Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I tend to be skeptical of earth

RE: CFDocument Help

2007-07-31 Thread Chad Gray
You might want to look at using iText. Here is a CFC that shows some code that uses iText to place images. http://www.reactivevision.com/coldPDF.txt I have not experimented very much with CFDocument and exact placement of items, but the results I have seen are very inconsistent. I think mainly

RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Robert Harrison
> Its sad to see any developer give up on CF but it sounds that by you saying... I just want to get Adobe to drop the price. It's a hard sell to some clients and we've lost some opportunities because of it. I'll always continue to use CF as my mainstay, but also learning .net is not a bad thing...

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Tony
any idea when those of us with the upgrade subscription thingie can expect our copies to show up? thanks tony :) On 7/31/07, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What's the deal with people who think that you should be > > happy to pay more because there are new features. > > No one said any

CFC webservice premature end of file

2007-07-31 Thread Ben Doom
I've got a webservice I've built that successfully produces WSDL, and most of the functions seem to work. One is driving me crazy though. When I call it manually, it returns a proper WDDX string (I think, see below). However, when I try to call it from within CF, I get a Premature end of file

RE: Cold Fusion and VMWare?

2007-07-31 Thread Dave Watts
> Its the idea behind it that gets on my goat, you have a > powerful server, why not use it if it is needed, why put a > virtual (underpowered server) with it The point is to decouple your servers from physical hardware. It would make absolutely no sense to run a single VM on a single VMware ser

cfPresention Standard Edition Limitation

2007-07-31 Thread Greg Fuller
>From Adobe's feature comparison PDF: Enterprise feature that runs through the Enterprise Feature Router (EFR). These features will run in the Standard Edition. However, all features running through the EFR will be limited to one shared simultaneous request. I think this means that I can have unl

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Dinner
On 7/31/07, Raymond Camden wrote: > I hope folks forgive me for my language above but I'm a bit pissed as > to how I'm being dragged into this. Dudes, if this is Ray pissed, I'm like, "what's enraged look like?" :-) You're a good man, Ray. Thanks for your contributions, y wotnot.

RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread John Mason
Dale, I did a quick search for software pricing to put the CF8 pricing in some perspective.. Windows 2003 Enterprise 3,443 Windows 2003 Standard 958 Oracle 10g Enterprise 40,000 Oracle 10g Standard 4,995 Sql Server Enterprise 13,699 Sql Server St

Re: CF Reports and conditional Logic

2007-07-31 Thread Kris Jones
You have a number of different ways of achieving this within the report builder. You can put the conditional on a section. You can put a conditional on a field. You can create a calculated field with an expression. What you end-up doing is dependent on how your report is structured. Cheers, Kris

RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Ben Forta
I know I am going to regret saying this, but what the heck ... Regardless of how anyone feels about the price change, just know that this decision was NOT made in a vacuum. In fact, the team polled lots of ColdFusion customers to ask them their opinion on this. And the general feedback, even from

Re: Email Blasts - detecting bouncebacks

2007-07-31 Thread Doug Bezona
Conceptually, it's not terribly difficult. It's a matter of monitoring the mail box where the bounces are returned, and assessing the type of/ reason for the bounce. If it's a "hard" bounce (e-mail address malformed or doesn't exist), you handle it one way, if "soft" (can't deliver right now, etc.

Re: CFOpenChat Help

2007-07-31 Thread Dinner
I don't know how hard to code it would be, but you could do an "away" at 30, and a boot at a minute or so. Just cuz 30 seconds can be a short time (or quite long, like when you're jumping outta planes). ~| Create robust enterpri

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Doug Bezona
I would love to see the ROI calculation on this decision: x amount for classes x amount for time to attend the classes (as an aside, learn C# instead of vb.net... you will thank me later) x time to actually get proficient at .NET x copies of Visual Studio x time to convert existing CF code Seems

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Charles E. Heizer1
Thanks, I look at it from a support contract side as well, I'm not sure but I would have to go back and check to make sure the Oracle JDBC driver is a "Adobe" supported model in the Standard edition when buying the support agreement. Trust me, I really don't want to jump ship but when people ke

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Sean Corfield
On 7/30/07, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We use it at here at ATCC. But given this price increase we'll probably be > moving over to Blue Dragon. Which would leave you without many of the real enterprise features: MS Exchange Integration, SMS/IM/JMS event gateways, high-performance re

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Charles E. Heizer1
The .Net development not only creates the web service but it also creates WSDL and a Test page to test the web service. Which is really slick compared to what CF produces. I've also found the web service code generated by CF does not include the proper header info, which has caused some applicat

RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Ben Forta
And I've not weighed in because frankly, there is little for me to add. Like all of you, I have opinions about pricing, but I am not the final decision maker - I do voice my opinions, and sometimes they align with those of the wider CF team and sometimes not, but once a decision is made I have to l

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Rick Root
On 7/31/07, Dawson, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> We use it at here at ATCC. But given this price increase we'll > probably be moving over to Blue Dragon. Now *THAT* is perfectly reasonable. As long as you keep in mind that you're giving up a lot of features that Adobe Coldfusion offers

RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Bill Betournay
That made my day. LOL Thanks Bill -Original Message- From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 July 2007 19:26 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin >> That sure sounds cool. >> What is it? > >www.justfuckinggoogleit.com LMAO!!!

CFDocument Help

2007-07-31 Thread Arthur.Frey
I am trying to create a 2 page document with a custom page size (17x11 inches). The basics of the document are a table that should fill 100% of the document in two columns. Example: Create a new cf page and paste the following code: page 1, column 1 page 1, column 2 page 2, column 1 p

OT/FYI: SmarterMail utility

2007-07-31 Thread Pete Ruckelshaus
I had posted to the list a while back about an API for SmarterMail, which is a mail server that many web hosts use. In my case, the issue was that I needed to create a thousand email accounts, and I'm lazy. Anyway, I found this http://josh.com/tsma/TSMADump/index.htm command-line utility and it w

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Raymond Camden
Let me be absolutely clear on something Dale. 1) I have nothing to do with the prices Adobe charge. Last time I checked, I don't work for Adobe. If Adobe wants to hire me, they can give me a call, but until then, I don't see how you can put this on me. What the hell did I do? 2) I've been spendin

RE: Something Wrong with CFTalk

2007-07-31 Thread Robert Harrison
I've also seen some issues with the list lately in that I've seen it take some real time for my stuff to post. The time now is 12:04PM Robert B. Harrison Director of Interactive services Austin & Williams 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 Hauppauge NY 11788 T : 631.231.6600 Ext. 119 F : 631.434.7022

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Casey C Cook
"working w/the government here, i hear a lot of really dumb ideas." Where are my tax dollars going. Thanks, CC This is

qForms and Internationalization

2007-07-31 Thread Tom McNeer
Hi, I'm in the midst of doing some internationalization to an application. By "some," I mean that numbers, currencies, and dates will be displayed according to a locale setting. (No multi-language yet.) I am using qForms for client-side validation. But after using LSNumberFormat (or after data en

Email Blasts - detecting bouncebacks

2007-07-31 Thread coldfusion . developer
I've seen systems that will track bounceback as a result from large outgoing email campains. How is this done? Anyone have success tracking bounce backs, bad emails etc. Thanks D ~| ColdFusion 8 - Build next generation apps

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread James Holmes
Agreed - Enterprise was our first choice. CF cost nothing compared to the SPARC servers on which we run it, and don't even ask what Oracle (and its SPARC hardware) costs. On 7/31/07, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Unless the Oracle supplied driver has changed recently, some > > things d

Re: cflayout question in CF 8

2007-07-31 Thread Raymond Camden
FYI: You can use javaScript: format in your tree. So thats one easy solution. Another easy solution is to use bindings. Consider this: Thanks to Todd Sharp for digging up the bind syntax (couldn't figure out the ".node" part). On 7/31/07, Raymond Camde

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Sean Corfield
On 7/31/07, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What's the deal with people who think that you should be happy to pay more > because there are new features. I think you're completely missing the point: there are many companies out there that view CFMX 7 as "too cheap" at $3k/CPU. They don't t

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Sean Corfield
On 7/30/07, John Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, my forth attempt to post this. Jeez, the list server was down for two > attempts and then I got 2 bounces saying my message is over 100 lines. No, we got all four of your messages. The warning about being over 100 lines is just a warning - be

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Rick Root
On 7/31/07, Doug Bezona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Why not just use Standard, and use the free JDBC drivers you can > > download from Oracle themselves, and just make an 'other' connection? > > Or, you can buy the DataDirect Oracle driver yourself: > http://www.programmers.com/ppi_us/Produc

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Cutter (CFRelated)
Actually, Ben spoke a little about the value add in the latest podcast at coldfusionweekly.com, albeit in an indirect manner. Aside from the fact that CF hasn't had a price increase since CF5, or that this is probably the largest new-feature release in the history of the product, or the fact th

RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Bader, Terrence C CTR MARMC, 231
Can you say upgrade pricing ~Terry -Original Message- From: Dale Fraser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:13 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin What's the deal with people who think that you should be happy to pay more because there are new

Re: Query of Queries date comparison

2007-07-31 Thread Claude Schneegans
>>I think he is working with dates You're right, I didn't notice the CFMX form of the function. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks.

RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Dawson, Michael
>> We use it at here at ATCC. But given this price increase we'll probably be moving over to Blue Dragon. >These discussions simply remind me of the "user blackmail" that we get with CFEclipse: "If you dont add this feature, we are moving to homesite!" I like it when irrational people move away f

Re: cflayout question in CF 8

2007-07-31 Thread Raymond Camden
In general, the way you change the location of a UI item (layout, div, pod, window), is with ColdFUsion.navigate. This is a JavaScript function, not a CF function. The syntax is: ColdFusion.navigate(theurtl,theitem) So if you had used name="main" for your center layout, you could do ColdFusion.n

Re: Cold Fusion and VMWare?

2007-07-31 Thread James Holmes
Yes, please do - I'm evaluating VM vs native installs of Linux to see which way we should go and I'd really be interested in any horror stories. On 7/31/07, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Having just spent 3 weeks tuning a site, just dont do it. I > > have now a new found hate for VMWar

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Rick Root
> On 7/30/07, Neil Middleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Small point to bear in mind here, which always pops into my head when I hear > this argument. > > Let's say I am on $50/hr like you say, therefore for myself to pay for CF8 > Ent, I'm looking at working at least 150 hours before it's paid

RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Billy Cox
I tend to be skeptical of earth-shattering predictions coming from someone who can't spell 'coffin'. :) -Original Message- From: Brian Kotek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 12:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin I don't get this at all. P

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Rey Bango
Dale, Most people know me as being VERY vocal when I don't like something. Quite honestly, I don't see an issue with a price increase in the "Enterprise" edition. Its targeted to a different level of customer who won't balk at that price. Having worked with companies at that level, I know for

RE: CFC defining vars

2007-07-31 Thread Brad Wood
Actually I thought cfqueries which don't return a result set actually remove their query name from whatever scope it was it. Would it really be necessary to supply, let alone var a cfquery which was only an update? ~Brad -Original Message- From: Brian Kotek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] S

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Brian Kotek
The bottom line is that if the extra $1500 breaks you and stops you from buying CF8 Enterprise, you were not a target customer for CF8 Enterprise. The vast majority of customers buying the Enterprise version will turn around and buy CF8 Enterprise because $1500 is nothing in an IT budget. For peopl

Re: Cold Fusion and VMWare?

2007-07-31 Thread Mark Drew
Its the idea behind it that gets on my goat, you have a powerful server, why not use it if it is needed, why put a virtual (underpowered server) with it the rest of my comments can be done by yourselves by pressing shift and most of the number keys. MD On 7/31/07, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Spry sorting question

2007-07-31 Thread Raymond Camden
If it is any consolation, I consider myself pretty good at Spry and I think I make this same mistake more than half the time. On 7/31/07, Mike Kear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ok forget that .. Sorry .. should have checked the docs more > thoroughly - the answer is the keyword is "number" not "nu

RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Dave Watts
> What's the deal with people who think that you should be > happy to pay more because there are new features. No one said anything about being happy. You should, however, expect to pay more because there are new features, just like you do with every other product in existence. > If all the Cold

RE: Cold Fusion and VMWare?

2007-07-31 Thread Dave Watts
> Having just spent 3 weeks tuning a site, just dont do it. I > have now a new found hate for VMWare for production (from a > personal perspective). No really, just dont. And dont ask > me to explain as I shall fall over crying. What kind of VMware-specific problems did you have? Just let it

RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Dave Watts
> Unless the Oracle supplied driver has changed recently, some > things don't work the same as the DataDirect CF Oracle > driver, like stored procs returning results from ref cursors > and BLOBS. If it has changed, great. So, then, if you need Enterprise features, you buy Enterprise. Or, you ca

Re: Something Wrong with CFTalk

2007-07-31 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I'm looking into both issues. > Last few weeks a lot of posts going missing and my email is only > getting some posts. I see others have had problems also. > > It's not my account or email as I am on many lists and they are all > working fine. I have checked and reset my subscription to Instan

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Phillip M. Vector
That's true. Look how many people complain about todays cars costing more then the model-t. Expecting new features without a price increase is not an intelligent way of doing business. If you don't like the increase (and you NEED enterprise), then either work out a solution so you don't need

RE: No Debug Access, Tricks for getting some kind of debug info?

2007-07-31 Thread Adrian Lynch
Just thinking out loud. If you have access to the admin API, turn on debugging at the start of your request and turn it off again at the end and hope you don't get caught :O) Adrian -Original Message- From: Patti Lee Sent: 26 July 2007 02:27 To: CF-Talk Subject: No Debug Access, Tricks fo

Re: CFOpenChat Help

2007-07-31 Thread Rick Root
I think the "ERROR:1004" is possibly being caused by lag... either server or net lag... I suspect that the idle watcher, a method that cleans up rooms when people don't seem to be "connected" anymore, is at fault. It deletes people from the room_users table if they haven't "pinged" in the last 10

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Casey Dougall
On 7/30/07, Neil Middleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Small point to bear in mind here, which always pops into my head when I hear this argument. Let's say I am on $50/hr like you say, therefore for myself to pay for CF8 Ent, I'm looking at working at least 150 hours before it's paid for. OK, I

RE: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Dale Fraser
What's the deal with people who think that you should be happy to pay more because there are new features. That makes no sense what so ever. If there were no new features, then you wouldn't need a new version. It's the quantity and quality of new features that makes people decide if they are even

Missing Fuse in Fusebox 5.1

2007-07-31 Thread Phillip M. Vector
You tried to include a fuse qry_CheckBansByIP.cfm in circuit Security which does not exist (from fuseaction Security.default). 2906ms Fusebox Including parsed file for 'Login.Default' 1 7406ms Runtime 1 7406ms Runtime 1 7422ms Fusebox Caught Fusebo

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Doug Bezona
On 7/30/07, Mark Mandel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Charles, > > Why not just use Standard, and use the free JDBC drivers you can > download from Oracle themselves, and just make an 'other' connection? Or, you can buy the DataDirect Oracle driver yourself: http://www.programmers.com/ppi_us/Pro

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread Andy Allan
Go write your own integration with Exchange and evaluate those man hours ... On 31/07/07, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have to agree that I have never had issues selling the benefits of CF and > ROI, it's actually an easy sell. > > I just purely don't understand the price hike, in a

Re: Spry sorting question

2007-07-31 Thread Mike Kear
ok forget that .. Sorry .. should have checked the docs more thoroughly - the answer is the keyword is "number" not "numeric". It's sorting correctly now. But thanks anyway everyone. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpweb

RE: Is There Something Wrong with CFTALK?

2007-07-31 Thread Bill Betournay
Same here. Last two emails to the list never went through. At least, I never received a copy. Bill -Original Message- From: Dale Fraser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 July 2007 20:24 To: CF-Talk Subject: Is There Something Wrong with CFTALK? My emails to this list either take many

Re: Cold Fusion and VMWare?

2007-07-31 Thread Mark Drew
On 25 Jul 2007, at 23:39, Mark A Kruger wrote: > If I wanted to use VM Ware to run... Let's say 3 separate > Coldfusion servers > and have sufficient resources for all of them. What would be > acceptable > hardware for that? Any input? > Dont do it. I mean, sheesh, split out your servers in J

Spry sorting question

2007-07-31 Thread Mike Kear
Does anyone know how to make spry sort columns in a data table numerically?I have a spry dataset that displays the values, and sorts when i click on the column heading but it sorts the numerical values in teh columns as though they're alphabetical. e.g: 145, 45, 715, 8 rather than 8, 45, 145,

Something Wrong with CFTalk

2007-07-31 Thread Dale Fraser
Last few weeks a lot of posts going missing and my email is only getting some posts. I see others have had problems also. It's not my account or email as I am on many lists and they are all working fine. I have checked and reset my subscription to Instant but it hasn't helped. ~

Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin

2007-07-31 Thread James Holmes
Unless the Oracle supplied driver has changed recently, some things don't work the same as the DataDirect CF Oracle driver, like stored procs returning results from ref cursors and BLOBS. If it has changed, great. On 7/31/07, Mark Mandel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Charles, > > Why not just use S

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