I love you both and am forever grateful for all you do. I'll send
chocolates.
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Dave Watts wrote:
>
> > Btw, Dave, if I haven't mentioned it recently, thank you for all you
> > do for the community and I definitely owe you a beverage of your
> > choice if we happ
> > 1. CFLib belongs to Ray.
>
> That doesn't mean he can't get help from the *assumed* CF community. He is
> alone because the small community does not
> have new blood. New blood carries the torch and keeps things moving. The
> 'old-timers' are too busy discussing OOP concepts
> -which is thei
Good luck, God speed Irvin. So long and thanks for all the Flsh.
Cheers,
Judah
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Irvin Gomez wrote:
>
> Just a brief note to announce that I'm quitting the list immediately. My mail
> box has received quite a bit of truly nasty stuff as a result of my debate
>
Just a brief note to announce that I'm quitting the list immediately. My mail
box has received quite a bit of truly nasty stuff as a result of my debate
(with Dave Watts, mostly) over CF's future.
There is no need for this type of unprofessional behavior, so I'd rather quit -
even though I hav
>
> But now that you put it your way, yeah, I agree that I think you're a
> jerk.
>
> Cheers,
>Juda
Don't get so angry. My opinion should not be that important to you. ;-)
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>
> I would never call you a trool. Because I have a spell-checker.
Childish.
> Perhaps I'm being ungenerous, but that kind of response from you
> indicates to me that you don't take this seriously enough to engage
> your brain cells and actually read what was written.
More childish attack.
> Btw, Dave, if I haven't mentioned it recently, thank you for all you
> do for the community and I definitely owe you a beverage of your
> choice if we happen to find ourselves in the same part of the country
> at the same time one of these days.
You're no slouch yourself, so we can each buy the
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Dave Watts wrote:
>
> But that's not even an attack! It's just good advice! It's the same
> thing I'd tell anyone working with CF! Learning how other languages
> work makes you a better developer, even if you're going to just use CF
> most or all of the time.
And
> I never used the word "wins". That's your perception. And no, no language
> ever 'wins', but some DO die out, and
> that more like the argument that is often made about CF.
You did, however, state that CF didn't have the position it deserved.
What does that mean, outside the context of winners
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 9:27 PM, Irvin Gomez wrote:
>
> I never used the word "wins". That's your perception. And no, no language
> ever 'wins', but some DO die out, and that more like the argument that is
> often made about CF.
Every language dies out. It is just a matter of time. Things chan
> Your post - which basically amounted to using 10 paragraphs to call me a
> trool - did not deserve much of an answer.
I would never call you a trool. Because I have a spell-checker.
Perhaps I'm being ungenerous, but that kind of response from you
indicates to me that you don't take this seriou
>
> Adobe will do what they will do. I don't really have any control over
> that, do you? Unless you're a secret majority shareholder, I'm
> guessing the answer is no.
>
I agree - we do not have any control over what Adobe does. But that doesn't
mean we can't have a little fun expressing and d
>
>
>I don't know how long you've been working with computers, Irvin, but
>no language "wins". We develop and evolve. The problems we try to
>solve change. We figure out new ways of tackling old problems. Best
>practices come and go.
>
I never used the word "wins". That's your perception. And no,
> And yes, it is Adobe's responsibility. It is Adobe's product.
>
> It's not up to teenagers to promote Nike. Nike has to pay the big names to
> promote Nike products, so that teenagers
> buy them. That's how it works in the real world.
>
> Yes, it is perfectly legitimate and reasonable to expect
I, for one, learned to get off Dave's lawn years ago :)
Btw, Dave, if I haven't mentioned it recently, thank you for all you
do for the community and I definitely owe you a beverage of your
choice if we happen to find ourselves in the same part of the country
at the same time one of these days.
> I wish the Pollyanna approach were productive, but it is not. If there are no
> new adopters of the language, it will die out. As simpe as that.
That is certainly true. However, there are new CF developers all the
time. I know, because my company hires people to do CF work. One nice
thing abou
>> The signs are everywhere: this list has very little "new blood".
well if he's going to go the anecdotal route, i have many "cf" people connect
to
me on FB, twitter & G+ that i've never heard of before & look to be pretty
young
(relative to me). to me that suggests some fresh meat er fresh
Your post - which basically amounted to using 10 paragraphs to call me a trool
- did not deserve much of an answer.
In any case, why 10 years?
>> Typical denial, mixed with a bunch of strawman arguments.
>
>That's one hell of a rebuttal. Let's reconvene on this ten years from now, ok?
>
~
If you truly believe what you say you would not criticize me because...I'm
criticizing others :-)
And yes, it is Adobe's responsibility. It is Adobe's product.
It's not up to teenagers to promote Nike. Nike has to pay the big names to
promote Nike products, so that teenagers buy them. That's
> I had this issue when I mistakenly assumed that anything inside a try
> would not be output if any error was thrown and we landed in the
> catch. This is clearly not the case.
That's the expected result with exception handling - it doesn't roll
back what's already been done, so if you managed t
Will some one please pull the plug on the troll bait?
It is OT, counter productive an ENTIRELY unprofessional for technical
support forum. This is our face to the rest of the world. If you feel the
need to squabble, please take it to CF community.
G!
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Irvin Gome
> I run some metric updating code in onRequestEnd. In certain cases, I want to
> show a message if the metric update fails. I want to replace what is already
> in the output buffer. I am trying this in onRequest end:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> But the original HTML is still outputted and my message is n
> You seem to think that web development is a "winner-take-all" market.
> But it isn't. There's room for plenty of web development languages.
> CF
> is one of those languages. Not everyone has to use CF for it to be a
> successful product. It just has to make money for Adobe.
>
I wish the Polly
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Irvin Gomez wrote:
>
> The reason Coldfusion is dying a slow death has nothing to do with Coldfusion
> itself or its capabilities (I'm a convert, remember). Coldfusion is fine. The
> problem is one of perception: the overwhelming majority of people entering
> t
> Wow, I can't believe I didn't think of using a temporary table to store the
> dynamic data while it's being edited, that's a great
> idea. I can't use session variables because it's a grid and would be
> considered a complex data type. (I was under the
> impression that session variables can o
On 11/11/2011 8:36 AM, Raymond Camden wrote:
>
> To be clear - CFLib is slow to update because I'm 200% busy. If I
> didn't have work, I'd have more time for CFLib. To me, this is a good
> problem to have.
and so are his part-time helper elves.
~~
> Typical denial, mixed with a bunch of strawman arguments.
That's one hell of a rebuttal. Let's reconvene on this ten years from now, ok?
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/
Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
GSA Sc
> Why won't Adobe PAY
>
> ...
>
> No, I do not blog about ANYTHING. I'm too busy working to pay my bills - and
> yes, I use and love Coldfusion every day.
It's very easy to tell other people how they should spend their money, isn't it?
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
Typical denial, mixed with a bunch of strawman arguments.
> > I specifically mentioned you as an example of why Coldfusion is
> dying a very slow death: why are you the
> > one with all the responsibility? Where is the rest of the community
> these days?
>
> CFLib is Ray's "responsibility"
> The problem is one of perception: the overwhelming majority of people
> entering the programming arena will - rightfully
> so - go with .Net or PHP instead of Coldfusion. For a few very simple reasons:
>
> 1. They are more popular, especially PHP.
> 2. Because they are more popular, the person
>I think you'll find that all of the "powerful voices" in CF have been
>begging Adobe to do more for years.
>
Perhaps 'begging" is the wrong approach. Perhap they should tell Adobe - in a
clear manner - that Coldfusion is dying from pure neglect.
Why won't Adobe PAY some of the more knowledgea
> I specifically mentioned you as an example of why Coldfusion is dying a very
> slow death: why are you the
> one with all the responsibility? Where is the rest of the community these
> days?
CFLib is Ray's "responsibility" because it's his. It's not Adobe's.
It's not "the community's".
> How
Wow, I can't believe I didn't think of using a temporary table to store the
dynamic data while it's being edited, that's a great idea. I can't use session
variables because it's a grid and would be considered a complex data type. (I
was under the impression that session variables can only hold
>To give a littler perspective, Irvin, I'm hiring developers currently
>in one language and working on learning a couple others myself.
>
[...]
>Cheers,
>Judah
>
>On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Irvin Gomez wrote:
>>
The reason Coldfusion is dying a slow death has nothing to do with Coldfusion
I think you'll find that all of the "powerful voices" in CF have been
begging Adobe to do more for years.
I'd agree with you though about Ray, Ben, and a few others. They're so
prolific that it's all too easy to let them shoulder the burden of preaching
"that CF stuff". I could ask though, do you
>To be clear - CFLib is slow to update because I'm 200% busy. If I
>didn't have work, I'd have more time for CFLib. To me, this is a good
>problem to have.
>
>On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Irvin Gomez wrote:
>>
I specifically mentioned you as an example of why Coldfusion is dying a very
slow
To give a littler perspective, Irvin, I'm hiring developers currently
in one language and working on learning a couple others myself.
Right now I'm in a .Net shop and hiring a dev or two for some
projects. A number of them are web apps that need:
MVC knowledge
IOC/DI container understanding
Soli
I have run into a similar issue before.
The buffer will empty itself to the client when it reaches a certain
point (can anyone clarify what that would be?).
The only way I have found around it is to save the content, and only
output on the success condition.
I had this issue when I mistakenly as
>>You asked for it, boy :-)
Excuse me?
G!
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Irvin Gomez wrote:
>
> You asked for it, boy :-)
--
Gerald Guido
http://www.myinternetisbroken.com
-- We all shine on.
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Ping me off list.
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 7:40 PM, .jonah wrote:
>
> Can I/We help out any with CFLib? Train someone to help review? Knock
> off some updates/bugs?
>
> I'm *only* 195% busy and would be happy to chip in.
>
> .jonah
>
> On 11/10/11 5:36 PM, Raymond Camden wrote:
>> To be clear -
Beginner's issues are welcome here.
Just yesterday I posted the stupidest beginner's mistake and not
one person made fun of me!
At 06:44 PM 11/10/2011, you wrote:
>The sad part is that CF is dying because potential newcomers to the
>language do not have a thriving community with support for
Can I/We help out any with CFLib? Train someone to help review? Knock
off some updates/bugs?
I'm *only* 195% busy and would be happy to chip in.
.jonah
On 11/10/11 5:36 PM, Raymond Camden wrote:
> To be clear - CFLib is slow to update because I'm 200% busy. If I
> didn't have work, I'd have mo
To be clear - CFLib is slow to update because I'm 200% busy. If I
didn't have work, I'd have more time for CFLib. To me, this is a good
problem to have.
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Irvin Gomez wrote:
>
>>On 11/10/2011 8:39 AM, Gerald Guido wrote:
>>
>>> Wait.. does that mean that CF is unde
>Not this again.
>
You asked for it, boy :-)
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> > I know I'll be insulted, but the truth must be said: Coldfusion is
> dying a slow death ...
>
> I just hope that when it's my time to go, my death will be as slow.
>
Sincerely hope you are right and I'm wrong.
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Not this again.
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Bryan Stevenson <
br...@electricedgesystems.com> wrote:
>
> hear hear Davebeen dying as long as I've been involvedso that's
> since January 1998oh yeah that's how I'm going out too ;-)
>
> On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 18:50 -0500, Dave Watts
hear hear Davebeen dying as long as I've been involvedso that's
since January 1998oh yeah that's how I'm going out too ;-)
On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 18:50 -0500, Dave Watts wrote:
> > I know I'll be insulted, but the truth must be said: Coldfusion is dying a
> > slow death ...
>
> I ju
> I know I'll be insulted, but the truth must be said: Coldfusion is dying a
> slow death ...
I just hope that when it's my time to go, my death will be as slow.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/
Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small B
>And on cue here comes the trolls.
>
>
>
>Wil Genovese
>
>One man with courage makes a majority.
>-Andrew Jackson
>
>A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.
>
>On Nov 10, 2011, at 5:44 PM, Irvin Gomez wrote:
>
>>
And the insults are on cue, too! ;-)
~
And on cue here comes the trolls.
Wil Genovese
One man with courage makes a majority.
-Andrew Jackson
A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.
On Nov 10, 2011, at 5:44 PM, Irvin Gomez wrote:
>
>> On 11/10/2011 8:39 AM, Gerald Guido wrote:
>>
>>> Wait.. does that m
>On 11/10/2011 8:39 AM, Gerald Guido wrote:
>
>> Wait.. does that mean that CF is undead? And part of the impending zombie
>> Apocalypse? Sweet!
>
CF is dying - no matter what the usual suspects say. The sad part is that CF is
dying because potential newcomers to the language do not have a thriv
It is probably the page that is timing out rather than the query, but
it the query that is running when this happens.
One reason is because a higher DPI image is also going to be a much
bigger file and take longer to upload, thus could be exceeding your
default page timeout.
use the cfsetting tag
I run some metric updating code in onRequestEnd. In certain cases, I want to
show a message if the metric update fails. I want to replace what is already
in the output buffer. I am trying this in onRequest end:
But the original HTML is still outputted and my message is not. If I dump
the ge
> Is it a page execution timeout or some database query execution timeout?
Sorry I haven't gotten back, been out sick. All I know is that the code works
fine if the image being uploaded is 72dpi. If the dpi is larger, I get an error
message that the cfquery which follows the upload times out? W
Thank you all. We got the error and are on our way to a fix.
G!
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Matthew Small wrote:
>
> The IIS log files are kep by default in c:\windows\logfiles\W3SVCxxx -
> you look in the configuration for the website to determine which folder.
>
> Classic ASP errors
The IIS log files are kep by default in c:\windows\logfiles\W3SVCxxx - you
look in the configuration for the website to determine which folder.
Classic ASP errors are logged in the IIS Logs as an error status which may or
may not be helpful.
>all you have is IIS LOGS by default, you need
all you have is IIS LOGS by default, you need to use additional
debugging tools and methods to get more info.
here are some tools to help you on your way.
http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=1200
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/931370
http://support.microsoft.com/k
>>You have to write
an error handler to capture this information, and configure IIS to use
that handler for 500 errors.
Thanx Dave. That is what The Google said. I was hoping there was another
way.
Much appreciated,
G!
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Dave Watts wrote:
>
> > We have an ASP 3
You may also need to link in the original style sheet.
At 01:05 PM 11/10/2011, you wrote:
> > > I have a column that I am retrieving from a SQL 08 database that
> > contains lots of word formatting.
> > >
> > > here is how the dump looks:
> > >
> > > SUPPLIER: Scott Specialty Gases > class=MsoN
> We have an ASP 3 site that we host that is bombing out and we need to get
> to the log files and or find out what the errors are.
>
> Do any of you all l know the error logs are kept? This IIS logs I saw just
> have the request info and no errors.
>
> Or would it best to turn on error messages?
Esteemed CFers,
We have an ASP 3 site that we host that is bombing out and we need to get
to the log files and or find out what the errors are.
Do any of you all l know the error logs are kept? This IIS logs I saw just
have the request info and no errors.
Or would it best to turn on error messag
> I get "The value of the attribute query, which is currently WHAgentSales, is
> invalid."
> This is the loop:
>
> ...
Have you confirmed that there's a query called WHAgentSales in the page?
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/
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I get "The value of the attribute query, which is currently WHAgentSales, is
invalid."
This is the loop:
#WHAgentSales.Agent#
#WHAgentSales.ciscoid#
#WHAgentSales.SLL_ASC_ID_NO#
#numberformat(WHAgentSales.WHSalesCallsAnsd,"9,999")#
#WHAgentSales
> > I have a column that I am retrieving from a SQL 08 database that
> contains lots of word formatting.
> >
> > here is how the dump looks:
> >
> > SUPPLIER: Scott Specialty Gases class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0
> style='mso-cellspacing:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in
> I have a column that I am retrieving from a SQL 08 database that contains
> lots of word formatting.
>
> here is how the dump looks:
>
> SUPPLIER: Scott Specialty Gases border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0
> style='mso-cellspacing:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 0in'> style='mso-yfti-irow:0;
Hi All.
I have a column that I am retrieving from a SQL 08 database that contains lots
of word formatting.
here is how the dump looks:
SUPPLIER: Scott Specialty GasesSUPPLIER ADDRESS:...
My problem is when I put this in a CFOUTPUT tag, the styles, etc don't render.
It looks exactly
You need a MIME type added to the web server:
.apk - application/vnd.android.package-archive
-Jake
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Dave Watts wrote:
>
> > We have our Android app built and the .apk file is on our CF7 server.
> > I'm using cfheader and cfcontent to get the file to download v
> We have our Android app built and the .apk file is on our CF7 server.
> I'm using cfheader and cfcontent to get the file to download via a link.
> But install on my phone fails. The app comes in as and throws an
> error about unknown file size.
>
> When I click the link in a desktop browser, I
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