offers an option to specify formatting of the comments, I
believe it also has issues with middle tags such as cfelse.
- Calvin
-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 4:07 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: John Dowdell Wants to Know What's Wrong
yes i agree the query wizard should come with it but as it is right now it
doesnt
but its on devnet 4
http://www.macromedia.com/software/drk/productinfo/product_overview/volume4/
im gunna have to dig that 1 out, i just saw a tut for hs where they used the
query wizard and that is quite nice!
i
1) Dreamweaver's file panel is difficult to navigate because
the files and the folders are all nested together in a very
small area. HomeSite and Windows Explorer for example, divide
the files and folders in an easy to use fashion. Solution:
Make an option to view the file/site structure
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:05:31 +0100, Micha Schopman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And that product synergy isn't the right way I think. It is like they
are building products around Flash, and it is something they should not
do with ColdFusion.
The world is about solutions not products so product
Yes, you are right about Flash.
Micha Schopman
Software Engineer
Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort
Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388
KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380
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Logware: a new and convenient
these r showing up a few days late
anyways isnt there a decent query builder in an early devnet?
[quote]One of my biggest issues with Dreamweaver is simply that it takes up a
lot of screen space[/quote]
there is a real nice extension that goes on title bar and simple to show and
hide
a ColdFusion site with Notepad too! :P
Thanks,
Calvin
-Original Message-
From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 7:31 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: John Dowdell Wants to Know What's Wrong with Macromedia
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:17:05 -0500, Calvin Ward
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:05:31 +0100, Micha Schopman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DWMX really has some big issues, but you won't notice them if you only
work 2 hours a day with the product. I have other people here which must
use the product 40 hours a week due to company product policies, and
they
Sean, .. that latest is not true. DWMX engineers even confirmed not
being aware of the bugs on conferences. It is not an issue of the
engineers, it is an issue of the engineers not being informed.
And honestly, .. I payed big bucks for the product, I don't really care
about emotional thoughts
From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sean, .. that latest is not true. DWMX engineers even
confirmed not being aware of the bugs on conferences. It is
not an issue of the engineers, it is an issue of the
engineers not being informed.
Honestly, don't you think Sean would have
Oh ofcourse he has. I have no insight whatsoever, but I can imagine you don't
know about everything within a club of 1000+ employees.
I have submitted several extensive reports through the MM website bug
submission form. Bugs, described in detail with complete steps to reproduce. So
I have in
From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oh ofcourse he has. I have no insight whatsoever, but I can
imagine you don't know about everything within a club of
1000+ employees.
Nor could assume that all the engineers see every bug report!
I have submitted several extensive reports
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From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 5:06 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: John Dowdell Wants to Know What's Wrong with Macromedia
And that product synergy isn't the right way I think. It is like they
are building products
And that product synergy isn't the right way I think. It is
like they are building products around Flash, and it is
something they should not do with ColdFusion. It started with
cfgraph. Yes that was a good functionality, but now .. it is
expanding to flash forms, and flashpaper? .. It is
DWMX really has some big issues, but you won't notice them if
you only work 2 hours a day with the product. I have other
people here which must use the product 40 hours a week due to
company product policies, and they are definitely not happy
with the product. Besides the bugs, the
Calvin not quite. CFEclipse, I can see, is a terrific development,
but as I found to my cost, if installation doesnt go right, it's very
very difficult to fix.Support is dependent on the ample goodwill
of the people developing it, but still there is no obligation on
anyone to make sure
It's the same with the open source CMS Farcry. If installation goes
well, it's obviously straightforward. If you hit a snag you can't
DEMAND someone help you fix it, you are reliant on the goodwill of
other users. If they lose patience with your problem or run out of
ideas, there's no
You are correct that support is currently dependent on
goodwill, but I'm fairly confident that when something is
broken in Dreamweaver, you will still be in the same boat. If
they can't offer a work around for you, MM most likely will
not do an update just for your problem.
Case in
Happy with it? I know a number of CF developers not on this list who use DW
because they have to, but also use Homesite for their real coding work.
Personally, I can't open Dreamweaver for more than a minute before having to
close it and go back to Homesite.
As for community, this complaint has
Is this really accurate? Who makes up this community exactly?
I ask this because I know plenty of CF developers who are using
Dreamweaver and are happy with it.
I'm usually not one for joining in on these massive opinion threads, but I
was one of the converts to DW. Initially I resisted it
2). IMHO their getting to messy, to bloated, losing focus and
the politics that are natural with the big company with large
differsified product lines competing for limited resources
has with out a doubt stiffled the development of CF IDE. Big
time.
Really? I think they're more focused
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:05:09 -0500, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But you're right. These products aren't specifically for CF developers.
They're for people who want to do the kinds of things that these products
let you do. What's wrong with that? Macromedia's job isn't really to make CF
I have to say, totally off subject, that Mark Drew gave a
breeze demo yesterday. It was the first time I've seen a live
breeze demo - it was
* amazing *. That is an awesome product. If there was like a
white board part of it it would be the perfect app. Great
response time, looked pretty
Happy with it? I know a number of CF developers not on this
list who use DW because they have to, but also use Homesite
for their real coding work.
I know a lot of CF developers who use DW because they prefer it. Does that
prove anything? We can all produce anecdotal evidence, but none of us
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:53:38 -0500, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have to say, totally off subject, that Mark Drew gave a
breeze demo yesterday. It was the first time I've seen a live
breeze demo - it was
* amazing *. That is an awesome product. If there was like a
white board
and stop looking to MM for that solution. Either way could be
an eventual win.
- Calvin
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 11:50 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: John Dowdell Wants to Know What's Wrong with Macromedia
You are correct
From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
At least, that's how I see it. If you think there really is a
good business case for major work to be done on HS+, let's
hear it. Or perhaps some other approach?
Your response is logical. I for one am not as passiontate about my IDE
choice as
think a RAD language is
definitely well served by having a RAD tool!
There's my 2 copper...
Calvin
-Original Message-
From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 1:29 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: John Dowdell Wants to Know What's Wrong with Macromedia
The Unicode issue existed when 5.5 was released, it is not a
flawed comparison, it is demonstrative of my point about
'commercial' support, I used it because it happened to be
on my mind.
While that might be true, Homesite is still essentially a legacy product.
What exactly is new and
At least, that's how I see it. If you think there really is a good
business case for major work to be done on HS+, let's hear it. Or
perhaps some other approach?
There was some talk on this list about making homesite opensource, so that
it can perhaps be turned into a project on sourceforge (I'm
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:30:28 -0500, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think this distinction between hand coder and designer is part of the
problem here. As programming environments mature, it's natural to spend less
time writing code and more time using visual tools. If you're a Windows
Dave,
HomeSite 5.5+ introduced macros and parameterized snippets in specific.
The find and replace feature in DW is great! What's missing though, is the
ability to limit by file type (I don't need to search the PDFs in my
structure for Trim( !
As far as visual tools go, there's not that much
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:10:31 -0500, Calvin Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1) Dreamweaver's file panel is difficult to navigate because the files and
the folders are all nested together in a very small area.
Yes. Same with Eclipse although CFE has a File Explorer that mimics HS.
As far as visual tools go, there's not that much for visual
tools for CF in the product. Conversely the CSS visual tools
are the best in market. See the difference in focus? If there
were really great visual ways to develop CF code in DW,
that'd be beneficial too.
Given that CFML code
: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 3:31 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: John Dowdell Wants to Know What's Wrong with Macromedia
As far as visual tools go, there's not that much for visual
tools for CF in the product. Conversely the CSS visual tools
are the best
: Re: John Dowdell Wants to Know What's Wrong with Macromedia
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:10:31 -0500, Calvin Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1) Dreamweaver's file panel is difficult to navigate because the files and
the folders are all nested together in a very small area.
Yes. Same with Eclipse
in
the Code Inspector...) Stuff like that...
Calvin
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 4:48 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: John Dowdell Wants to Know What's Wrong with Macromedia
Dave, as I mentioned before, I've been using DW
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:17:05 -0500, Calvin Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
However, I still find that DW lacks a great deal that it should have since
it is the declared ColdFusion editor of choice by the maker of ColdFusion.
Bzzzt! Nope. Not the editor. I think you'll find the official line
is
my only beef with dw 2004 is the inability for linux support :(
[quote]Yes, if you are a Windows Dreamweaver user, then you
already have a copy of HomeSite+ that you may use too[/quote]
funny thing is that u can easily run homesite on linux though
a feature that would be nice though is during
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:40:45 -0800, Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have to say, totally off subject, that Mark Drew gave a breeze demo
yesterday. It was the first time I've seen a live breeze demo - it was
* amazing *. That is an awesome product. If there was like a white
board part of it it
My two cents worth.
Better Linux support. It's nice that CFMX can run on Red Hat, but Red Hat is
too bloated (IMO) for server use (not talking about the enterprise RH - which
most of us don't use and I have no experience with). There are better
distros for servers - Gentoo, BSD, etc.
: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 7:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: John Dowdell Wants to Know What's Wrong with Macromedia
I disagree on pricing for Flex... 12,000 per server for
presentation layer only is nuts!
Really? How about if it saves several months
: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 8:53 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: John Dowdell Wants to Know What's Wrong with Macromedia
I disagree on pricing for Flex... 12,000 per server for
presentation layer
only is nuts!
-Original Message-
From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday
Subject: RE: John Dowdell Wants to Know What's Wrong with Macromedia
I disagree on pricing for Flex... 12,000 per server for
presentation layer
only is nuts!
-Original Message-
From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 2:34 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject
.
The output/demos I've seen have been pretty sharp looking!
- Calvin
-Original Message-
From: Paul Malan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 9:33 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: John Dowdell Wants to Know What's Wrong with Macromedia
Speaking of RIA/Flex, has anybody here
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Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 3:54 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: John Dowdell Wants to Know What's Wrong with Macromedia
From what I understand it is more complex to work with and
creates larger
file sizes. Also the last version I looked at didn't support Unicode.
Conversely how much
Flex supports AS2 AFAIK.
This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The Quadrant,
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:58:46 -0700, Shawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My two cents worth.
Better Linux support. It's nice that CFMX can run on Red Hat, but Red Hat is
too bloated (IMO) for server use (not talking about the enterprise RH - which
most of us don't use and I have no experience
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:24:29 +0100, RADEMAKERS Tanguy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here in Europe it's 14,000 EUR = ~18,000 USD. At that price it would be
worth physically going to the US to buy a copy, except then i guess MM
wouldn't support it. That kind of pricing policy sticks in my throat.
On Jan 12, 2005, at 8:16 AM, Rob wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:58:46 -0700, Shawn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
My two cents worth.
Better Linux support. It's nice that CFMX can run on Red Hat, but
Red Hat is
too bloated (IMO) for server use (not talking about the enterprise RH
- which
, January 12, 2005 5:23 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: John Dowdell Wants to Know What's Wrong with Macromedia
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:24:29 +0100, RADEMAKERS Tanguy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here in Europe it's 14,000 EUR = ~18,000 USD. At that price
it would be
worth physically going to the US to buy
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:18:13 +0100, RADEMAKERS Tanguy
As for this discrepancy being caused by demand... are you saying there's
a much higher demand for flex in Europe than in the US? Nonsense.
Nah, I am saying the level of money you need to get Flex is out of
reach of all the people who want
Yep, does.
-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 10:14 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: John Dowdell Wants to Know What's Wrong with Macromedia
Flex supports AS2 AFAIK.
This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel
of the reach of their most vocal proponents might not be a brilliant
idea...
/t
-Original Message-
From: Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 6:46 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: John Dowdell Wants to Know What's Wrong with Macromedia
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:18:13
Are you implying that because of Eclipse's entry into the marketplace,
Macromedia will not be updating Dreamweaver MX to fix the bugs and add better
functionality?
As far as I can see, Eclipse doesn't replace MX, it seeks to replace Homesite
and CF Studio perhaps.
And regardless of how good a
I presume you mean cfeclipse ?
MD
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:51:17 -0400, Gel. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you implying that because of Eclipse's entry into the marketplace,
Macromedia will not be updating Dreamweaver MX to fix the bugs and add better
functionality?
As far as I can see,
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:51:17 -0400, Gel. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you implying that because of Eclipse's entry into the marketplace,
Macromedia will not be updating Dreamweaver MX to fix the bugs and add better
functionality?
I don't have any affiliation with MM, but I can pretty
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 4:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: John Dowdell Wants to Know What's Wrong with Macromedia
I presume you mean cfeclipse ?
MD
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:51:17 -0400, Gel. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Are you implying that because of Eclipse's entry
Calvin not quite. CFEclipse, I can see, is a terrific development,
but as I found to my cost, if installation doesnt go right, it's very
very difficult to fix.Support is dependent on the ample goodwill
of the people developing it, but still there is no obligation on
anyone to make sure it
Mike's experience is exactly what I am talking about in terms of there being an
opportunity for MM to ride the open source wave and build a position for a
revenue-generating product based on Eclipse. The RichPalette folks are making a
go of it, and if MM isn't watching closely they may just
On Monday 10 Jan 2005 17:46 pm, Dave Watts wrote:
How exactly is WebDAV any more or less secure than RDS? Both can be
protected with SSL. Both let you manipulate the filesystem through HTTP
requests.
Unless anything has changed, RDS exposes everything to everyone, with full
permissions.
Yea, I wish that sandbox could be used in conjunction with RDS... didn't it
used to?
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From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:06 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: John Dowdell Wants to Know What's Wrong with Macromedia
Agreed. We don't
-Talk
Subject: RE: John Dowdell Wants to Know What's Wrong with Macromedia
Yea, I wish that sandbox could be used in conjunction with RDS... didn't it
used to?
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Wrong with Macromedia
Yea, I wish that sandbox could be used in conjunction with RDS... didn't
it used to?
-Original Message-
From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:06 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: John Dowdell Wants to Know What's Wrong with Macromedia
to Know What's Wrong with Macromedia
Yea, I wish that sandbox could be used in conjunction with RDS... didn't
it used to?
-Original Message-
From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:06 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: John Dowdell Wants to Know
Flex is priced just right, and when all you kids started
ranting about
the cost, they allowed you to get developer version for
free.
They turned CF into an Enterprise application server when
it was was
gettting very close to becoming legacy keeping your butts
employed.
Breeze rocks.
-Talk
Subject: Re: John Dowdell Wants to Know What's Wrong with Macromedia
You what bothers me about MM? Nothin. Well except Generator, and I swore
a blood oath to hold that against them for atleast a decade.
Outside of that.. DW is fine. You know its the skills that make a
developer, not the IDE
I disagree on pricing for Flex... 12,000 per server for presentation layer
only is nuts!
-Original Message-
From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 2:34 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: John Dowdell Wants to Know What's Wrong with Macromedia
You what
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:34:25 -0500, Adrocknaphobia
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Outside of that.. DW is fine. You know its the skills that make a
developer, not the IDE.
True that
Flex is priced just right, and when all you kids started ranting about
the cost, they allowed you to get developer
dont think that flex will be that way for very long, matter of fact...
and once its available on a shared server, its gunna be a
sweeettt
u dont think MM would keep it from us do u?
-- Original Message --
From: Rob [EMAIL
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:24:38 -0500, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
dont think that flex will be that way for very long, matter of fact...
and once its available on a shared server, its gunna be a
sweeettt
u dont think MM would keep it from us do u?
I hope not
when u look at what the market was really targeted for flex 12k is nothing,
especially when it would save them mega times that in dev time
but now its time for the lil guys too have the cool toy too!
-- Original Message --
From: Dave Watts [EMAIL
On Friday 07 Jan 2005 21:49 pm, Dave Watts wrote:
RDS would be a lot more useful if it were something that could be used by
other tools.
RDS would be a lot more useful if it was thrown away and replaced with
something that used open standards (WebDAV for instance).
RDS is far to insecure to
RDS would be a lot more useful if it was thrown away and
replaced with something that used open standards (WebDAV for
instance). RDS is far to insecure to leave running on anything
like a production system.
How exactly is WebDAV any more or less secure than RDS? Both can be
protected with
I didn't think that RDS was for production systems?
-Original Message-
From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:12 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: John Dowdell Wants to Know What's Wrong with Macromedia
On Friday 07 Jan 2005 21:49 pm, Dave Watts
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:47 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: John Dowdell Wants to Know What's Wrong with Macromedia
RDS would be a lot more useful if it was thrown away and
replaced with something that used open standards (WebDAV for
instance). RDS is far to insecure
I didn't think that RDS was for production systems?
It isn't. Neither is WebDAV, in my opinion. I'm reluctant to allow people to
edit files via HTTP on production systems in general.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber
Speaking of SSL and RDS, is there anyway to present a
certificate with RDS? We have found no way tell studio to
present a cert to https server.
The last time I used CF Studio with RDS, I seem to recall that Studio used
Internet Explorer's settings and functionality. I've never used RDS with
and prod).
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 11 January 2005 4:24
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: John Dowdell Wants to Know What's Wrong with Macromedia
I didn't think that RDS was for production systems?
It isn't. Neither is WebDAV, in my opinion. I'm
Er, you mean like allowing myself and my colleague Seth Hodgson to
work with the CFE folks? Early days yet but we intend to work on
stuff
like framework support (FB / Mach II) and possibly UML support. Just
remember that we do this in our (not so) copious free time... It
isn't
any sort of
On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:34:02 -0500, Jim Davis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But that's what I think is a mistake. I for one am super-glad that you are
able to contribute your time to this list, your blog, Mach-II, and all of
the other things you do for the community. What I am suggesting is that
-Original Message-
From: Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 5:29 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: John Dowdell Wants to Know What's Wrong with Macromedia
I'm not saying that it can't work (throw me squarely in the group that
would
LOVE to see CF open
My only real pet peeve is Dreamweaver. Even the latest version is basically a
slow dog compared to other editors, including Homesite+.
Still, I understand MM's stance that once open-source candidates emerge in the
category, it becomes a difficult if not impossible proposition to invest in
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 13:53:10 -0400, Robert Munn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My only real pet peeve is Dreamweaver. Even the latest version is basically a
slow dog compared to other editors, including Homesite+.
Just a meta-comment: you will all get more mileage out of these peeves
if you post
RDS is protected by a number of copyright / other measures so
you won't see an open source hook for that.
RDS would be a lot more useful if it were something that could be used by
other tools.
It might be MM's position that they will not contribute to
open source because it eats into
Therefore, I have a proposition for MM. Why not support the Eclipse
initiative? Most of the major Java vendors already support it. Other
software companies support it. And the open source community supports it.
Why not contribute a relatively modest effort toward making CFEclipse a
There are some interesting comments overthere which I certainly agree
with:
The overbearing control of betas. I remember several years ago dumb
enthusiasts would get a copy of a beta and talk about it. He'd get
smashed by the legal team. Way to go. This was fgr Flash 4. You're still
not thinking
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