http://www.forta.com/blog/index.cfm/2006/5/16/Looking-For-30-ColdFusion-Developers-In-Charlotte-and-Atlanta
A company is putting on 30 CF developersexpect the job to developer ratio to widen even more lolM@
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HA!ok, who has their passport? its time to move!On 5/16/06, M@ Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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A company is putting on 30 CF developersexpect the job to developer ratio to widen even
So does that answer your question, Ryan?
CheersMike KearWindsor, NSW, AustraliaCertified Advanced ColdFusion DeveloperAFP Webworkshttp://afpwebworks.comColdFusion, PHP, ASP,
ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
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So does that answer your question, Ryan?
Haha, well yes in a roundabout
way :)
In response to some of the
feedback I've been getting, I've removed the pay scale from the ad. Also, have
reworded some of the requirements. We did this a few days ago but still haven't
had any responses.
I think this comes from the lack of people available now, I would
consider paying 85-90 for a senior programmer, but through an agency?
Tough call. They would have to be very special.
In my opinion I think agencies should be given a wide berth from the
candidate and the company perspectives.
all this cfscript talk...
can I just have a step debugger...and breakpointsand watches
pretty please?
On 5/9/06, Gary Menzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Damn good suggestion.
I had previously suggested the idea of having another CFSETTING attribute
(something like lang) to set it as a
It might be better get Adobe to update the cfscript tag to include
lang=ecmascript that way it opens to door to lang=java or whatever
your favourite language that has a java compiler for it. Thus by
default lang=cfscript and then you're open to mix and match
scripting languages to you hearts
You can do (almost) anything.NET, so in the same vein, if they do make
java bytecode compilers for other languanges, I think they could wire
those in just fine.
Support wise, the API documentation for different languages could be
auto generated... I'm sure javadoc would make short work out
That is an unreasonable comment, Mark.We aren't asking for something new to be added - we are just asking for something that already (almost) exists to be made standard.MM introduced CFSCRIPT in the first place (maybe it was because someone asked for it - I dont know) - but they should now SUPPORT
Agreed. One of the problems with CFSCRIPT is that it is not ECMAScript
compliant. When switching between JavaScript and CFSCRIPT, it can
often get confusing - especially when you are dealing with conditions.
I imagine this will be the same case with developers who shift between
AS3 and CFSCRIPT.
That way you could picklanguages like you pick underwear (hopefully one for each day of theweek).Now now Mark, don't you know ya can wear underwear 4 times before washing, frontwards, backwards, inside-out frontwards, inside-out backwards.
M@Who can't quite remember what song/thing that comes
I should have been more specific..ECMA compliant syntactically.So - I think we are on the same page.I actually don't really go in for the compliance at that object level (as not all environments would be able to support all the same objects). If they did - we would only need one language!
So -
*nix TOC
oops. I meant (unix-based) TCO (total Cost of ownership)
...I'm lysDexic
On 5/8/06, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
cf on linux may be cheaper then .net on windoze
especially when you consider total cost of ownership what with
Microsoft Licencing. Check it out- it ain't
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I hate to say it but my little team hear, may have to jump to .NET soon
but I don't want to make that decesion
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We need a language that is not only quick and easy to develop in, but also
easy to debug
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We need a language that is not only quick and easy to develop in, but also
easy to debug and maintain long term.
agreed!
http://www.techfeed.net/blog/index.cfm/2006/3/28/PHP-Debugging-is-Better-Tha
n
On the subject of acronyms:
CLAP - Coldfusion, Linux, Apache, PostgreSQL - A combination that
works well for me.
Be careful communicating this acronym to management if english is not
your first language :)
Vorn.
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On 5/8/06, M@ Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
now if pricing is simply the only reason for changeing why not php or 1 of the many other free languages over .net? you already said they are using windoze, so no use me saying cf on linux may be cheaper then .net on windoze :S
When you consider a
I've actually fantasied taking that 10%, wrapping in functions, and
injecting in on startup to web-inf.component. Or extend
web-inf.component, and include those methods, and have all my code
extend the new and improved component.
Has anyone done this yet? If not, why?
Dale Fraser wrote:
I'd
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I've actually fantasied taking that 10%, wrapping in functions, and
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web-inf.component, and include those methods, and have all my code
extend the new and improved component
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I've actually fantasied taking that 10%, wrapping in functions, and
injecting in on startup to web-inf.component. Or extend
web-inf.component
The last time there was the whole cfscript debate we found the majority more often used the tags then scripting corfields breeze thingo had a poll that showed this.hence the M in the CFMSome people want CFM to be so much like other languages that they could simply use those other languages,
Most customers wouldn't know what's good for them if they got run over a
B-double full of it :D
/Philosophy seems to work for 37 Signals...
Joel Cass wrote:
*snip*
We should all be using .net because our customers want it).
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The last time there was the whole cfscript debate we
found the majority more often used
I also think that break points are an extremely long shot.
awww... Mark, that's mean! I can dream, can't I? at least your beanie
isn't worried forbeing your next meal...
BTW, they *have* been looking into debugging hooks, it's just not easy
to implement at the moment. one of those
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I've actually fantasied taking that 10%, wrapping in functions
Hey Gary
- ECMA compliance will break existing cfscript MM/Adobe won't break
backward compatibility in CF.
- I doubt very much whether writing/implementing a language/syntax and
all the stuff that goes with it could ever be called an easy thing to
do. Maybe your definition of easy is a little
They can retain the GT/LT for backwards compatibility.And, adding new or alternative operators to a parser IS easy - if you have written the parser correctly (I've built enough of them in the past to know this).
Yes, fully ECMA compliant, and fully backwards compatible would be a BIG ask.But - if
An easy solution to that would be to have ecmascript or maybe even
actionscript?
- ECMA compliance will break existing cfscript MM/Adobe won't break
backward compatibility in CF.
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On 5/9/06, Mark Stanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
People often forget that CF is geared towards entry level web
development - make pdf's and reports in 5 minutes is the sweet spot
for CF - not proper OO, or more elegant/advanced language features.
Not really, ASP is the same overall when you
You can track them out here, apparently.
http://www.frappr.com/cfdevelopers
Who's up for CF dev tagging expedition?
On 5/4/06, *Ryan Sabir* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Where are all the good CF developers these days?
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Wow, what a full on thread.
Is it my turn yet. I've been programming for 6 years now. And I
wouldn't count myself as senior. Although I'm starting to get the grey
hair and my seeing is getting worse. [EMAIL PROTECTED] man that was a full on
read
and I was sucked in like a bad hooker.
Bottom
I hate to say it but my little team hear, may have to jump to .NET soonbut I don't want to make that decesion. But if the clients want it wedo it.Hi Jeremyvery funny cfdump joke now if pricing is simply the only reason for changeing why not php or 1 of the many other free languages over .net?
you
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I hate to say it but my little team hear, may have
to jump to .NET soon
but I don't want to make that decesion. But if the clients want it we
cf on linux may be cheaper then .net on windoze
especially when you consider total cost of ownership what with
Microsoft Licencing. Check it out- it ain't cheap. they lock you in
with (virtually) free dev tools (anyone still got their freebie
VS2005? mine's unloved...) and then sting you with
After the laughter subsides I get a pretty standard response that
CF is on its way out, everyones learning .NET and/or LAMP based
development these days.
You would have got the same response 5 years ago, and yet...
Its interesting what you hear when you leave Adobe's Reality
I much prefer WISC
Regards
Dale Fraser
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Ok, I'll bite
Management... all the good ones have retired to management to die of a natural but cost effective death heh.
On 5/4/06, Ryan Sabir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe this should be posted in CFJOBS, but that place is so deserted you can hear the tumbleweeds going past.
Where are all the good CF
aussie@googlegroups.comSubject: [cfaussie] Re: Where have all the
CF developers gone?
Its a problem a big
problem
Ben Forta calls this
Coldfusion Thriving.
http://www.forta.com/blog/index.cfm/2006/5/2/ColdFusion-Thriving-In-San-Diego
RegardsDale Fraser
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here
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It’s a problem a big
Where are all the good CF developers these days?Well it all started back in Nineteen-dickety-two. We had to say dickety because the
Kaiser had stolen the wold twenty. I chased that rascal to get it
back, but gave up after dickety-six miles. what happened was everyone seemed to think computers were
Hi RyanJust read your job ad and have some *friendly* advice, if you want more applications I'd strongly think over the following in the adSeniorSomeone might be brilliant but not consider them self experienced enough to be senior
minimum of 4 to 5 years experience in professional new media
Dale WroteThe jobs went to IndiaThe dot com companies closedSo there should be more people than jobs.No no no, what I meant was the dot com companies closed less people stuck around and less people enrolled in IT
jobs were supposedly all going to India so less people enrolled in ITthen companies
Robin,
I had no idea you had positions in melbourne?
There doesn't seem to be a huge amount of opportunity in Melbourne as
opposed to other cities (Sydney, Brisbane) for CF positions.
When I was looking for a new job ~ 2-4 months ago, I was scrounging to
find CF development positions. It was
We're just seeing demand exceed supply at the moment - if you believe in
market forces and regression to the mean this should sort itself out soon.
how? like this?:
lets not do this next project in ColdFusion - we can't get (and keep)
enough CF developers
and the number of CF projects drop
What
are the positions you are trying to fill Robbin?
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Just on this...Has anyone tried telling a group of non-ColdFusion types that you arelooking for a ColdFusion developer?After the laughter
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Robin,
I had no idea you had positions in melbourne?
There doesn't seem to be a huge amount of opportunity in
Melbourne as opposed to other cities (Sydney, Brisbane) for
CF positions
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