Just some comments about the opinions of some contributors in this
discussion.
I sometimes see arrogance of CCIE being Know-It-All about networking both
theoretically and experiences. I see most people try to compare apples to
oranges when talking about CCIE. Some people have a solid networking
OK, inline
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Just some comments about the opinions of some contributors in this
discussion.
I sometimes see arrogance of CCIE being Know-It-All about networking both
theoretically and experiences. I see most people try to
Its getting kind of hot in here..
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Becareful with the kid
doesn't think he is a CCIE...
Pat
(Set to incur the wrath of the aforementioned God at the RS Lab in RTP on
May 18)
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At 01:12 AM 5/6/02, Nnanna Obuba wrote:
There's absolutely nothing wrong with being in it for the money...we
all are, some admit it and some don't.
No, we aren't all in it for the money. Why would you assume that??
It's indeed a wise strategy to
pursue financial security, then you can afford
Though if I were to win the 64 million $ power ball Wednesday...
Dave
Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
At 01:12 AM 5/6/02, Nnanna Obuba wrote:
There's absolutely nothing wrong with being in it for the money...we
all are, some admit it and some don't.
No, we aren't all in it for the
Becareful with the kid comment. I passed my CCIE at 20, dang near 19.
Jason
CCIE 8748
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Bullshi*. There are a significant number of guys lately who've passed
the
lab who I wouldn't hesitate to
I appreciate your comments and I applaud your accomplishment, especially
at such a young age. but once ones age is past 25 and 30 and beyond,
everyone that's 19, 20, 21 is still considered a kid =)
Mike W.
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May 18)
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I also agree with you on many
At 3:56 PM -0400 5/6/02, MADMAN wrote:
Though if I were to win the 64 million $ power ball Wednesday...
Dave
You know, that's a fantasy that's occurred to me at times. One of
things I'd do with PART of the money is to start up some technology
companies to develop what _I_ think are some
Emotion should reflect reason not guide it
Did you make that one up I like it. I've had many philosophical
(sp?) discussions with a very keen co-worker about being guided by emotions
or logic/reason. My stance is, emotions cloud good judgement (not 100% but
mostly), and he
I didn't make it up, I have heard it said by a local talk show
personality, a small l libertarian and I obviously liked it.
Why are domestic disturbances most dangerous for the police to respond
to? Emotions. What do demogouges use to gain influence and power,
emotions, why are people
Wow, you must like to cook too!! I drool at the pictures of the
Viking equipment in my Bon Appetit' magazine as I do a lot of cooking
and looking forward to getting my garden going.
Not very good service though huh??
Dave
Yup...just getting my herb seedlings planted.
I shouldn't
Here's an interesting that is along the lines of our discussion of
certifications without skills to back them up.
Tim was so learned, that he could name a horse in nine Languages.
So ignorant, that he bought a cow to ride on. - Ben Franklin
Mike W.
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It's not in Cisco's best interest to crank out CCIEs and I doubt that's
what
they're doing (or going to do) After all, this is a job posting, and
I
doubt they're going to hire and train enough people to
I know for a fact that it is possible. Unisys mainframe engineers in the UK
re-trained 6 Engineers to CCIE in 6 months.
One passed 1st time, one second time and one had a nervous breakdown but
passed on the 6th attempt.
Don't know what happened to the other 3, but the one who passed 1st time was
They always say this tihing to all their new hires in
TAC but I know many of my friends working in TAC for 2
years now but still not done with their CCIE.
Shahid
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not sure if this is still true (or if it ever was)
but i had heard that
cisco has higher standards for certs for
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Bullshi*. There are a significant number of guys lately who've passed the
lab who I wouldn't hesitate to call paper (heck, even they have honestly
referred to themselves as paper, usually after getting a few drinks into
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Bullshi*. There are a significant number of guys lately who've passed
the
lab who I wouldn't hesitate to call paper (heck, even they have
I agree with all of the people that because of the economy
most CCIE's won't see big salaries from few years back.
I also agree that paper CCIE doesn't really compare to
a paper MCSE, SCSA or whatever else. A CCIE needs
to have some hands-on. The problem is that lab testing has little
to do with
Boy- I read all this about *money this and salary this etc* and I feel
pretty much out of the loop. I think I have come to the conclusion that I am
the *token* wannabe CCIE (at some point) who does what he does because he
LIKES it.. Sure.. money is nice but my salary has bounced up and down a
You heard wrong...
Larry Letterman
Cisco Systems
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not sure if this is still true (or if it ever was) but i had heard that
cisco
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not sure if this is still true (or if it ever was) but i had
heard that
cisco has higher standards for certs for empolyees. That the
passing score
on most of the tests for an employee is higher than
: CCIE in 3-6 Months from cisco Interesting [7:43306]
I believe you may be confusing this with the CCSI... I believe instructors
require a higher pass rate to become CCSI certified...can anyone verify?
Sean
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I agree with all of the people that because of the economy
most CCIE's won't see big salaries from few years back.
I also agree that paper CCIE doesn't really compare to
a paper MCSE, SCSA or whatever else. A CCIE
You make many valid points. I appreciate your comments. I placed some
comments inline.
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For example, in the not-too-distant past, the CCIE was really a quite
solid
guarantee that a guy was a good networker. Maybe the guy
I also agree with you on many points. But anyway, inline
I see your point about people not skipping the tech interview because of
CCIE. And I also agree that it's a good thing. After all, when 'lab
rats'
(as you call them) are applying for jobs, it just makes sense that one
would
give
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not sure if this is still true (or if it ever was) but i had heard that
cisco has higher standards for certs for empolyees. That the passing
score
on most
At 02:05 PM 5/5/02, Mike Sweeney wrote:
Boy- I read all this about *money this and salary this etc* and I feel
pretty much out of the loop. I think I have come to the conclusion that I am
the *token* wannabe CCIE (at some point) who does what he does because he
LIKES it.. Sure.. money is nice
You got to be kidding 3-6 months for CCIE. It's taking us labrats
at Network Academies two years to make CCNP. Maybe for those
who are already CCNPs.
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writes:
Hey, it's a good sign that they're hiring, but I can guarantee that
no
recent
Okay... final comments (inline) . but this time they're all in agreement
(imagine that, people actually exchanging blows and instead getting upset
and childish, we managed to patiently see what each other was saying and
came to a common understanding. what a concept I applaud you nrf
Amen to that. I see so many people chasing a paycheck and living a horrible
life.
I see a common thread with people wanting to know what's on a test just so
they can study only those things to pass a test. If that is your goal, you
might gain a cert, but you will miss a tremendous amount of
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You got to be kidding 3-6 months for CCIE. It's taking us labrats
at Network Academies two years to make CCNP. Maybe
Hear, hear. If you're doing IT certification because somebody told
you it
was a lucrative field, you're in it for the wrong reason. Of course,
I live
somewhere where the cost of living is low, so it's easy for me to
say. But
all the wise career counselors will tell you to do what you
You have crystallized my thoughts perfectly. I would always prefer to work
with a lab rat that knows how to find stuff then a seasoned CCIE who
thinks that google is just another yahoo.
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You make many
Join Cisco and get CCIE in 3-6 months. Must be a typo.
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not sure if this is still true (or if it ever was) but i had heard that
cisco has higher standards for certs for empolyees. That the passing score
on most of the tests for an employee is higher than for the rest of us.
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If this is true then it represents an even worse devaluation of the CCIE
than what has happened already. Not only will there be those lab-rat CCIE's
out there with zero experience that are being churned out already, but now
Cisco itself will be pumping out CCIE's with as little as 3 months
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Hey, it's a good sign that they're hiring, but I can guarantee that no
recent college grad can get a CCIE in 6 months with little to no
experience.
It must be a typo.
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It's not in Cisco's best interest to crank out CCIEs and I doubt that's what
they're doing (or going to do) After all, this is a job posting, and I
doubt they're going to hire and train enough people to make an impact in the
total number of CCIEs out there. (i.e. they may hire 5, 10, hell
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