MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-29 Thread Kohli, Jaspreet
I am looking for a comparative design question: Why a large corporation should or should not use MPLS over EIGRP . Any useful links will be greatly appreciated . Thanks as always Jaspreet _ Consultant Andrew NZ Inc Box 50 691, Poriru

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-29 Thread Theodore Stout
ROTECTED] cc: Subject: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507] I am looking for a comparative design question: Why a large corporation should or should not use MPLS over EIGRP . Any useful links will be greatly appreciated . Thanks

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-29 Thread Chuck's Long Road
hey, friends, I'm always interested in learning something I didn't know before. not claiming to know a whole lot about MPLS, but in terms of operation, MPLS operates on top of a routing protocol, any routing protocol, correct? Requires that CEF is enabled, at least in the Cisco world, but any old

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-29 Thread nrf
""Chuck's Long Road"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > hey, friends, I'm always interested in learning something I didn't know > before. not claiming to know a whole lot about MPLS, but in terms of > operation, MPLS operates on top of a routing protocol, any routing

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-29 Thread Robert Edmonds
In a large organization, I would recommend OSPF anyway. It's generally considered to be more scalable the EIGRP. ""nrf"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > ""Chuck's Long Road"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > hey, friends, I'm a

RE: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-29 Thread Haakon Claassen (hclaasse)
Cisco Systems De Kleetlaan 6b - Pegasus Park B-1831 Diegem (Belgium) -Original Message- From: Chuck's Long Road [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: maandag 30 september 2002 3:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

RE: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-29 Thread Haakon Claassen (hclaasse)
Diegem (Belgium) -Original Message- From: nrf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: maandag 30 september 2002 4:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507] ""Chuck's Long Road"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECT

RE: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-29 Thread Willy Schoots
ke them MPLS TE capable. Cheers, Willy Schoots -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kohli, Jaspreet Sent: maandag 30 september 2002 2:16 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507] I am looking for a comparative design questi

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread YASSER ALY
>From the SP point of view either use OSPF or ISIS for scalability, standards and QoS features. For example only these two protocols will allow you to do traffic engineering with MPLS over your backbone. From the client point side EIGRP is not one of the protocols to be used between PE-CE.

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 2:52 AM + 9/30/02, nrf wrote: >""Chuck's Long Road"" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> hey, friends, I'm always interested in learning something I didn't know >> before. not claiming to know a whole lot about MPLS, but in terms of >> operation, MPLS opera

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
I have an even more fundamental question. ;-) Why does MPLS need a routing protocol at all? Obviously, the forwarding of traffic doesn't use it. Forwarding is based on the labels. Is it for the label distribution component? Couldn't that be done with manual configuration? Priscilla nrf wrote: >

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread nrf
""Robert Edmonds"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > In a large organization, I would recommend OSPF anyway. It's generally > considered to be more scalable the EIGRP. Well, shyeeet, if you REALLY want scalability in an IGP, then there's only one answer - ISIS.

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread nrf
""Haakon Claassen (hclaasse)"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Perhaps the Multi protocol > > Is in regards to the fact that it can support multiple routing contexts > (one per vrf) That's a pretty weak definition of 'multiprotocol'. More to the point, even if yo

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread nrf
> >I got an even more fundamental question - why does MPLS require IP at all? > >At the risk of starting a religious way, it's not called Internet Protocol > >Label Switching, it's Multi-protocol label switching. MPLS has effectively > >become a feature of IP, as opposed to a generalized control-

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread nrf
""Priscilla Oppenheimer"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I have an even more fundamental question. ;-) Why does MPLS need a routing > protocol at all? Obviously, the forwarding of traffic doesn't use it. > Forwarding is based on the labels. Is it for the label dis

RE: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread Kohli, Jaspreet
Thank You everyone for the valuable input . This has helped me put the issue in the correct prospective !!! Cheers Jaspreet _ Consultant Andrew NZ Inc Box 50 691, Porirua Wellington 6230, New Zealand Phone +64 4 238 0723 Fax +64

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
>I have an even more fundamental question. ;-) Why does MPLS need a routing >protocol at all? To determine the potential topologies over which end-to-end, and alternate (e.g., shared risk groups) paths can be established, and THEN to which labels can be assigned on a node-by-node basis. >Obvi

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
>""Haakon Claassen (hclaasse)"" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> Perhaps the Multi protocol >> >> Is in regards to the fact that it can support multiple routing contexts >> (one per vrf) > >That's a pretty weak definition of 'multiprotocol'. > >More to the poin

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread Kent Yu
""nrf"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... [snip] > > And I think this functionality was sadly lost. Not the transport > functionality, but the path-setup functionality. I think more work needs to > be done on the ATM side of things to make MPLS more palatable to car

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 7:11 PM + 9/30/02, nrf wrote: >""Robert Edmonds"" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> In a large organization, I would recommend OSPF anyway. It's generally >> considered to be more scalable the EIGRP. > >Well, shyeeet, if you REALLY want scalability in an

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread Chuck's Long Road
""Howard C. Berkowitz"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > At 7:11 PM + 9/30/02, nrf wrote: > >""Robert Edmonds"" wrote in message > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > >> In a large organization, I would recommend OSPF anyway. It's generally > >>

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread nrf
""Kent Yu"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > ""nrf"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > [snip] > > > > And I think this functionality was sadly lost. Not the transport > > functionality, but the path-setup functionality. I think m

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
>""Howard C. Berkowitz"" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> At 7:11 PM + 9/30/02, nrf wrote: >> >""Robert Edmonds"" wrote in message >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> >> In a large organization, I would recommend OSPF anyway. It's >gener

RE: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread Creighton Bill-BCREIGH1
Bill Creighton CCNP Senior System Engineer Motorola iDEN CNRC Packet Data MPS -Original Message- From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 5:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507] >""Howard C. Berkowitz&q

RE: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
>Jelly doughnut? I don't get it - I thought he was talking about the Shiite >population in Iran which dominated news a couple decades ago with the rise >of the Ayatollah Khomeini... > >A Berliner, er, jelly doughnut sounds a bit tasty, though... JFK sure >thought so - especially in Germany... JFK

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
> > >I got an even more fundamental question - why does MPLS require IP at >all? >> >At the risk of starting a religious way, it's not called Internet >Protocol >> >Label Switching, it's Multi-protocol label switching. MPLS has >effectively >> >become a feature of IP, as opposed to a generali

RE: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread Peter van Oene
What was the question? At 08:25 PM 9/30/2002 +, Kohli, Jaspreet wrote: >Thank You everyone for the valuable input . This has helped me put the issue >in the correct prospective !!! > > >Cheers > > >Jaspreet > _ > >Consultant > >Andrew N

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread nrf
> > > > I've been involved in Formal International Standards Bodies, where > the Camel was developed as a functional specification for a Mouse. > The market and the world are far faster than the carriers would like > it to be. Here I must disagree. The fact is the traditional carriers basically

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-09-30 Thread Chuck's Long Road
""Howard C. Berkowitz"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > >I got an even more fundamental question - why does MPLS require IP at snip a bit > > I've been involved in Formal International Standards Bodies, where > the Camel was developed as a functional specific

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-10-01 Thread Chuck's Long Road
one last shot before going to work ( below ): ""nrf"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > snip a bit > Here I must disagree. The fact is the traditional carriers basically are > the market, in the sense that they are the ones with money to spend. It > doesn'

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-10-01 Thread nrf
> > > > > Which is why I believe that any new carrier-style technology that is > > directed towards the Internet will achieve unnecessarily slow adoption by > > the carriers. Now don't get me wrong, MPLS will be adopted, the real > > question is how quickly. If much of the work on MPLS is done

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-10-04 Thread Peter van Oene
At 06:04 PM 9/30/2002 +, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: >I have an even more fundamental question. ;-) Why does MPLS need a routing >protocol at all? Obviously, the forwarding of traffic doesn't use it. >Forwarding is based on the labels. Is it for the label distribution >component? Couldn't tha

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-10-04 Thread nrf
""Peter van Oene"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > At 06:04 PM 9/30/2002 +, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: > >I have an even more fundamental question. ;-) Why does MPLS need a routing > >protocol at all? Obviously, the forwarding of traffic doesn't use it. > >Fo

Re: MPLS Vs EIGRP [7:54507]

2002-10-04 Thread Peter van Oene
At 03:12 AM 10/1/2002 +, nrf wrote: > > > > > > > > I've been involved in Formal International Standards Bodies, where > > the Camel was developed as a functional specification for a Mouse. > > The market and the world are far faster than the carriers would like > > it to be. > >Here I must di