Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-19 Thread Chuck
one reason so many CLEC's have gone under is that prices are too low, not too high. They were unable to attain positive cash flow. All these 100 mbs college students have benefited from what has been effectively a free resource. Once they start paying their own bills, their attitudes may well ch

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-19 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 2/18/2002 9:13:35 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: nrf, I tend to agree with what you said about broadband. However, I think I can sum it up in 3 points: *The Broadband market is not the success story vendors had claimed because: 1. The low learning curve

RE: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-19 Thread Logan, Harold
x27;s inevitable. They'll just join the dot-bombs and the dinosaurs. -Original Message- From: Hire, Ejay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 1:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611] Hey, In my spare time I

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-19 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
A few more random thoughts I would add that the first wave of college students who got used to 100-Mbps in their dorm room are graduating. They aren't going to put up with 56-Kbps modems at home. Plus they expect to do file sharing with enormous music and video files. They will expect chea

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-19 Thread nrf
Oh, don't get me wrong. I have no doubt that the Internet is here to stay and will continue to grow. Obviously there will have to be some kind of successful service-provider business model that will emerge. That is inevitable and indisputable. You have to remember what the original thread was

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-19 Thread nrf
If I may propose a few counterpoints: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:09 AM Subject: Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611] In a message dated 2/18/2002 9:13:35 PM Central

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-19 Thread Steve Ridder
My first message never came through, so I'll try again... It's true that TV's, phones, radios, and cable have a larger market share, but it took like 50 years for those technologies to reach critical mass! As I keep saying, the Internet is still in it's infancy. The problem that the dot.bomb's,

RE: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-19 Thread Hire, Ejay
Hey, In my spare time I do blacksmith work. You'd be surprised what stuff'll go for on Ebay. :) -Original Message- From: Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611] B

RE: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-19 Thread Steve Manuel
r it to come to you. Stephen Manuel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Carroll Kong Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611] At 09:51 PM 2/18/02 -0500, Kevin St.Amo

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-18 Thread nrf
It is absolutely true that there is a lot of laziness and incompetence floating around the industry. People don't want to take the time to really learn the material, and that's a serious problem. But I think Carroll Kong said it best when she alluded to the fact that this kind of thing may be ne

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-18 Thread Leslie McIntosh
Agreed! I would say there is only a handfull of us that have had it up to here with the lack of training budget and just built our own lab a the house. I dare say there are fewer of us that actually try to learn this stuff after work as well. Les --- Carroll Kong wrote: > At 09:51 PM 2/18/02

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-18 Thread Carroll Kong
At 09:51 PM 2/18/02 -0500, Kevin St.Amour wrote: >Just a thought. > Just as there is a glut of Fiber, I believe the market created a >glut of Tech works. I remember going to a Technical School, and before >slapping down 15k for a networking Degree in 1998 (BTW, the school went >under a year a

RE: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-18 Thread Tom
ee what happens, it's been fun so far Tom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Darrell Newcomb Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 6:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611] nrf wrote: > > &

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-18 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Hey, maybe we do need all that extra bandwidth, for all your posts! Just kidding! ;-) Priscilla At 10:15 PM 2/18/02, nrf wrote: >Whoops. Sorry for the multiple posts. Apparently the groupstudy server >somehow thought I was a spammer and didn't post my responses in a timely >fashion, causing m

RE: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-18 Thread Tom
Monday, February 18, 2002 9:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611] ""Steven A. Ridder"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > That article taked about 1 problem, the problem almost every com

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-18 Thread nrf
Whoops. Sorry for the multiple posts. Apparently the groupstudy server somehow thought I was a spammer and didn't post my responses in a timely fashion, causing me to resend. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=35821&t=35611 --

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-18 Thread Kevin St.Amour
Just a thought. Just as there is a glut of Fiber, I believe the market created a glut of Tech works. I remember going to a Technical School, and before slapping down 15k for a networking Degree in 1998 (BTW, the school went under a year ago http://clcx.com ) I heard numbers like "This ind

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-18 Thread nrf
""Steven A. Ridder"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > That article taked about 1 problem, the problem almost every company had - > grabing too much land and equipment with no customers or sustainable > revenue. But that's also the problem every dot-bomb had. Thank

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-18 Thread Steven A. Ridder
I read similar stories in '91. This is just the cyclical effects of the economy. They'll be back in work. I know it sucks, but... ""nrf"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > They say misery loves company. Well, for what it's worth: > > http://news.com.com/2100-10

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-18 Thread nrf
""Steven A. Ridder"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > That article taked about 1 problem, the problem almost every company had - > grabing too much land and equipment with no customers or sustainable > revenue. But that's also the problem every dot-bomb had. Thank

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-18 Thread nrf
""Steven A. Ridder"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > That article taked about 1 problem, the problem almost every company had - > grabing too much land and equipment with no customers or sustainable > revenue. But that's also the problem every dot-bomb had. Thank

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-18 Thread Darrell Newcomb
nrf wrote: > > ""Chuck"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > in the case of a number of the CLEC's, part of the problem was the old > telco > > monopoly that they had to fight. > > Maybe it was part of the problem, but not the whole problem. True, the > RBOC's w

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-18 Thread nrf
""Chuck"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > in the case of a number of the CLEC's, part of the problem was the old telco > monopoly that they had to fight. Maybe it was part of the problem, but not the whole problem. True, the RBOC's were hindering the DSL CLEC's.

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-18 Thread nrf
They say misery loves company. Well, for what it's worth: http://news.com.com/2100-1017-832553.html Dude has an engineering degree from a respected school and an MBA and is tossing mail for the post office for $13 an hour. A former marketing manager is stocking shelves. Another guy with mast

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-18 Thread Kevin St.Amour
Thank God. I thought I was the only one who was seeing this. Chuck wrote: >in the case of a number of the CLEC's, part of the problem was the old telco >monopoly that they had to fight. > >companies like COVAD, Northpoint, Concentric ( now part of XO ) to name a >few, were there firstest with th

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-18 Thread Chuck
in the case of a number of the CLEC's, part of the problem was the old telco monopoly that they had to fight. companies like COVAD, Northpoint, Concentric ( now part of XO ) to name a few, were there firstest with the mostest while the telco's dragged their feet on bringing DSL to their customer

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-18 Thread Steven A. Ridder
That article taked about 1 problem, the problem almost every company had - grabing too much land and equipment with no customers or sustainable revenue. But that's also the problem every dot-bomb had. Thankfully the buble burst, the madness ended and took out the garbage. No company would stay

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-18 Thread nrf
For example, here is just one study from today: http://news.com.com/2009-1033-839335.html ""nrf"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Most indications seem to be that the networking industry, and the > telco/provider segment in particular will greatly lag any genera

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-18 Thread nrf
Most indications seem to be that the networking industry, and the telco/provider segment in particular will greatly lag any general economic recovery. Nobody is predicting a serious telecom recovery this year, and many economists don't even predict one next year. Many big names have already gone

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-18 Thread Steven A. Ridder
I agree with nrf. I'd also like to add that you have to believe in "the vision" of this field if you want to stay in. If you believe that computers (and your toaster, refrigerator or your car) are going to become an omni-present, networked entity as most technologists and futurists predict, then

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-17 Thread nrf
This is going to sound fairly cutthroat and antisocial, but one of the best ways to judge whether a particular career has staying power is to see just how easy it is to become qualified. Was it easy for you to learn the skill - i.e. did it require little financial investment or not much study tim

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-17 Thread Steven A. Ridder
It's the economy. When it picks up, so will the jobs. ""saktown"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I don't know if this is going to make you feel better or not (probably not), > but anyways it is not strictly true that there are all these networks that > need to be

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-17 Thread saktown
I don't know if this is going to make you feel better or not (probably not), but anyways it is not strictly true that there are all these networks that need to be maintained. A lot of people have wondered how the industry can be laying all these people off if there are a constant number of comple

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-17 Thread s vermill
When I was in high school (vocational) studying to be an electronic repair technician, I thought I would retire from that job a very wealthy man. Two realities caught up with me and the rest of that career field pretty quickly. First, the throw away revolution. Second, a bloated job market (DeV

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-17 Thread AMR
Something I have noticed with clients is that they have laid off too deep and then end up having to use jr. staff or rehire staff with the same constrained budget to manage their systems and network. As a result these companies are still running their networks but with less qualified staff at muc

Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]

2002-02-16 Thread Paul Borghese
Go to the GroupStudy Jobs discussion group (Web, newsfeed or mailing list). There are a number of recruiters who can help. Best of luck! Paul - Original Message - From: "John Green" To: Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 11:16 AM Subject: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]