one reason so many CLEC's have gone under is that prices are too low, not
too high. They were unable to attain positive cash flow.
All these 100 mbs college students have benefited from what has been
effectively a free resource. Once they start paying their own bills, their
attitudes may well ch
In a message dated 2/18/2002 9:13:35 PM Central Standard Time,
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nrf,
I tend to agree with what you said about broadband. However, I think I can
sum it up in 3 points:
*The Broadband market is not the success story vendors had claimed because:
1. The low learning curve
x27;s inevitable. They'll just join the
dot-bombs and the dinosaurs.
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Hey, In my spare time I
A few more random thoughts
I would add that the first wave of college students who got used to
100-Mbps in their dorm room are graduating. They aren't going to put up
with 56-Kbps modems at home. Plus they expect to do file sharing with
enormous music and video files. They will expect chea
Oh, don't get me wrong. I have no doubt that the Internet is here to stay
and will continue to grow. Obviously there will have to be some kind of
successful service-provider business model that will emerge. That is
inevitable and indisputable.
You have to remember what the original thread was
If I may propose a few counterpoints:
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In a message dated 2/18/2002 9:13:35 PM Central
My first message never came through, so I'll try again...
It's true that TV's, phones, radios, and cable have a larger market share,
but it took like 50 years for those technologies to reach critical mass! As
I keep saying, the Internet is still in it's infancy.
The problem that the dot.bomb's,
Hey, In my spare time I do blacksmith work. You'd be surprised what
stuff'll go for on Ebay. :)
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B
r it to come to you.
Stephen Manuel
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At 09:51 PM 2/18/02 -0500, Kevin St.Amo
It is absolutely true that there is a lot of laziness and incompetence
floating around the industry. People don't want to take the time to really
learn the material, and that's a serious problem.
But I think Carroll Kong said it best when she alluded to the fact that this
kind of thing may be ne
Agreed!
I would say there is only a handfull of us that have
had it up to here with the lack of training budget and
just built our own lab a the house. I dare say there
are fewer of us that actually try to learn this stuff
after work as well.
Les
--- Carroll Kong wrote:
> At 09:51 PM 2/18/02
At 09:51 PM 2/18/02 -0500, Kevin St.Amour wrote:
>Just a thought.
> Just as there is a glut of Fiber, I believe the market created a
>glut of Tech works. I remember going to a Technical School, and before
>slapping down 15k for a networking Degree in 1998 (BTW, the school went
>under a year a
ee what happens, it's been fun so far
Tom
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nrf wrote:
>
> &
Hey, maybe we do need all that extra bandwidth, for all your posts! Just
kidding! ;-)
Priscilla
At 10:15 PM 2/18/02, nrf wrote:
>Whoops. Sorry for the multiple posts. Apparently the groupstudy server
>somehow thought I was a spammer and didn't post my responses in a timely
>fashion, causing m
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> That article taked about 1 problem, the problem almost every com
Whoops. Sorry for the multiple posts. Apparently the groupstudy server
somehow thought I was a spammer and didn't post my responses in a timely
fashion, causing me to resend.
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Just a thought.
Just as there is a glut of Fiber, I believe the market created a
glut of Tech works. I remember going to a Technical School, and before
slapping down 15k for a networking Degree in 1998 (BTW, the school went
under a year ago http://clcx.com ) I heard numbers like "This ind
""Steven A. Ridder"" wrote in message
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> That article taked about 1 problem, the problem almost every company had -
> grabing too much land and equipment with no customers or sustainable
> revenue. But that's also the problem every dot-bomb had. Thank
I read similar stories in '91. This is just the cyclical effects of the
economy. They'll be back in work. I know it sucks, but...
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> They say misery loves company. Well, for what it's worth:
>
> http://news.com.com/2100-10
""Steven A. Ridder"" wrote in message
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> That article taked about 1 problem, the problem almost every company had -
> grabing too much land and equipment with no customers or sustainable
> revenue. But that's also the problem every dot-bomb had. Thank
""Steven A. Ridder"" wrote in message
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> That article taked about 1 problem, the problem almost every company had -
> grabing too much land and equipment with no customers or sustainable
> revenue. But that's also the problem every dot-bomb had. Thank
nrf wrote:
>
> ""Chuck"" wrote in message
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> > in the case of a number of the CLEC's, part of the problem was the old
> telco
> > monopoly that they had to fight.
>
> Maybe it was part of the problem, but not the whole problem. True, the
> RBOC's w
""Chuck"" wrote in message
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> in the case of a number of the CLEC's, part of the problem was the old
telco
> monopoly that they had to fight.
Maybe it was part of the problem, but not the whole problem. True, the
RBOC's were hindering the DSL CLEC's.
They say misery loves company. Well, for what it's worth:
http://news.com.com/2100-1017-832553.html
Dude has an engineering degree from a respected school and an MBA and is
tossing mail for the post office for $13 an hour. A former marketing
manager is stocking shelves. Another guy with mast
Thank God. I thought I was the only one who was seeing this.
Chuck wrote:
>in the case of a number of the CLEC's, part of the problem was the old telco
>monopoly that they had to fight.
>
>companies like COVAD, Northpoint, Concentric ( now part of XO ) to name a
>few, were there firstest with th
in the case of a number of the CLEC's, part of the problem was the old telco
monopoly that they had to fight.
companies like COVAD, Northpoint, Concentric ( now part of XO ) to name a
few, were there firstest with the mostest while the telco's dragged their
feet on bringing DSL to their customer
That article taked about 1 problem, the problem almost every company had -
grabing too much land and equipment with no customers or sustainable
revenue. But that's also the problem every dot-bomb had. Thankfully the
buble burst, the madness ended and took out the garbage. No company would
stay
For example, here is just one study from today:
http://news.com.com/2009-1033-839335.html
""nrf"" wrote in message
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> Most indications seem to be that the networking industry, and the
> telco/provider segment in particular will greatly lag any genera
Most indications seem to be that the networking industry, and the
telco/provider segment in particular will greatly lag any general economic
recovery. Nobody is predicting a serious telecom recovery this year, and
many economists don't even predict one next year. Many big names have
already gone
I agree with nrf. I'd also like to add that you have to believe in "the
vision" of this field if you want to stay in. If you believe that computers
(and your toaster, refrigerator or your car) are going to become an
omni-present, networked entity as most technologists and futurists predict,
then
This is going to sound fairly cutthroat and antisocial, but one of the best
ways to judge whether a particular career has staying power is to see just
how easy it is to become qualified. Was it easy for you to learn the
skill - i.e. did it require little financial investment or not much study
tim
It's the economy. When it picks up, so will the jobs.
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> I don't know if this is going to make you feel better or not (probably
not),
> but anyways it is not strictly true that there are all these networks that
> need to be
I don't know if this is going to make you feel better or not (probably not),
but anyways it is not strictly true that there are all these networks that
need to be maintained. A lot of people have wondered how the industry can
be laying all these people off if there are a constant number of comple
When I was in high school (vocational) studying to be an electronic repair
technician, I thought I would retire from that job a very wealthy man. Two
realities caught up with me and the rest of that career field pretty
quickly. First, the throw away revolution. Second, a bloated job market
(DeV
Something I have noticed with clients is that they have laid off too deep
and then end up having to use jr. staff or rehire staff with the same
constrained budget to manage their systems and network. As a result these
companies are still running their networks but with less qualified staff at
muc
Go to the GroupStudy Jobs discussion group (Web, newsfeed or mailing list).
There are a number of recruiters who can help.
Best of luck!
Paul
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