seems all jobs have just vanished. well then who runs
the networks and equipment ? it's real bad out there
in the job market.
any web sites to put the resume ? seems dice, monster,
headhunter are not producing any results.
how long is this goind to last ?
___
Go to the GroupStudy Jobs discussion group (Web, newsfeed or mailing list).
There are a number of recruiters who can help.
Best of luck!
Paul
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From: "John Green"
To:
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 11:16 AM
Subject: what is wrong with the job market
Something I have noticed with clients is that they have laid off too deep
and then end up having to use jr. staff or rehire staff with the same
constrained budget to manage their systems and network. As a result these
companies are still running their networks but with less qualified staff at
muc
When I was in high school (vocational) studying to be an electronic repair
technician, I thought I would retire from that job a very wealthy man. Two
realities caught up with me and the rest of that career field pretty
quickly. First, the throw away revolution. Second, a bloated job market
(DeV
twork dudes
who got laid off from providers who are now competing for jobs running
networks for enterprises.
> - Original Message -
> From: "John Green"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 11:16 AM
> Subject: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]
&g
ers who are now competing for jobs running
> networks for enterprises.
>
>
>
> > - Original Message -----
> > From: "John Green"
> > To:
> > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 11:16 AM
> > Subject: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]
>
This is going to sound fairly cutthroat and antisocial, but one of the best
ways to judge whether a particular career has staying power is to see just
how easy it is to become qualified. Was it easy for you to learn the
skill - i.e. did it require little financial investment or not much study
tim
I agree with nrf. I'd also like to add that you have to believe in "the
vision" of this field if you want to stay in. If you believe that computers
(and your toaster, refrigerator or your car) are going to become an
omni-present, networked entity as most technologists and futurists predict,
then
re provider
> > network to maintain. Hence, you have lots of highly skilled network
dudes
> > who got laid off from providers who are now competing for jobs running
> > networks for enterprises.
> >
> >
> >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: &qu
ovider networks tend to be tremendously complicated, therefore
> requiring
> > > great expertise to maintain, but of course now there is no more
provider
> > > network to maintain. Hence, you have lots of highly skilled network
> dudes
> > > who got laid off from
ore, much of the growth in the enterprise space requires
very
> > > little
> > > > skill to set up (i.e. install a single router to connect to an ISP),
> > > whereas
> > > > provider networks tend to be tremendously complicated, therefore
> > requiring
> &
t; > > > I would contend that for every new box requisitioned by an
> enterprise,
> > > > > another 2 or 3 have been decommissioned by a dying provider.
Check
> > out
> > > > the
> > > > > latest auction of Cisco gear from Excite@Home as
t;
>>>>can
>>>>
>>>>>>be laying all these people off if there are a constant number of
>>>>>>
>>>complex
>>>
>>>>>>networks to maintain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The fallacy i
They say misery loves company. Well, for what it's worth:
http://news.com.com/2100-1017-832553.html
Dude has an engineering degree from a respected school and an MBA and is
tossing mail for the post office for $13 an hour. A former marketing
manager is stocking shelves. Another guy with mast
; > > > > The fallacy in that logic is that in reality the number of
> > networks,
> > > > and
> > > > > > their complexity, has indeed gone down in absolute terms.
While
> > the
> > > > > > enterprise space still continues to m
nrf wrote:
>
> ""Chuck"" wrote in message
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> > in the case of a number of the CLEC's, part of the problem was the old
> telco
> > monopoly that they had to fight.
>
> Maybe it was part of the problem, but not the whole problem. True, the
> RBOC's w
""Steven A. Ridder"" wrote in message
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> That article taked about 1 problem, the problem almost every company had -
> grabing too much land and equipment with no customers or sustainable
> revenue. But that's also the problem every dot-bomb had. Thank
""Steven A. Ridder"" wrote in message
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> That article taked about 1 problem, the problem almost every company had -
> grabing too much land and equipment with no customers or sustainable
> revenue. But that's also the problem every dot-bomb had. Thank
I read similar stories in '91. This is just the cyclical effects of the
economy. They'll be back in work. I know it sucks, but...
""nrf"" wrote in message
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> They say misery loves company. Well, for what it's worth:
>
> http://news.com.com/2100-10
> > > > > enterprise space still continues to maintain lukewarm demand, the
> > > > > telco/provider segment is nothing less than a disaster of epic
> > > > proportions.
> > > > > I would contend that for every new box requisitioned by an
> enterprise,
> > > >
Just a thought.
Just as there is a glut of Fiber, I believe the market created a
glut of Tech works. I remember going to a Technical School, and before
slapping down 15k for a networking Degree in 1998 (BTW, the school went
under a year ago http://clcx.com ) I heard numbers like "This ind
Whoops. Sorry for the multiple posts. Apparently the groupstudy server
somehow thought I was a spammer and didn't post my responses in a timely
fashion, causing me to resend.
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""Steven A. Ridder"" wrote in message
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> That article taked about 1 problem, the problem almost every com
Hey, maybe we do need all that extra bandwidth, for all your posts! Just
kidding! ;-)
Priscilla
At 10:15 PM 2/18/02, nrf wrote:
>Whoops. Sorry for the multiple posts. Apparently the groupstudy server
>somehow thought I was a spammer and didn't post my responses in a timely
>fashion, causing m
ee what happens, it's been fun so far
Tom
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Darrell Newcomb
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 6:39 PM
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Subject: Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]
nrf wrote:
>
> &
At 09:51 PM 2/18/02 -0500, Kevin St.Amour wrote:
>Just a thought.
> Just as there is a glut of Fiber, I believe the market created a
>glut of Tech works. I remember going to a Technical School, and before
>slapping down 15k for a networking Degree in 1998 (BTW, the school went
>under a year a
Agreed!
I would say there is only a handfull of us that have
had it up to here with the lack of training budget and
just built our own lab a the house. I dare say there
are fewer of us that actually try to learn this stuff
after work as well.
Les
--- Carroll Kong wrote:
> At 09:51 PM 2/18/02
It is absolutely true that there is a lot of laziness and incompetence
floating around the industry. People don't want to take the time to really
learn the material, and that's a serious problem.
But I think Carroll Kong said it best when she alluded to the fact that this
kind of thing may be ne
r it to come to you.
Stephen Manuel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Carroll Kong
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:24 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]
At 09:51 PM 2/18/02 -0500, Kevin St.Amo
Hey, In my spare time I do blacksmith work. You'd be surprised what
stuff'll go for on Ebay. :)
-Original Message-
From: Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:29 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]
B
My first message never came through, so I'll try again...
It's true that TV's, phones, radios, and cable have a larger market share,
but it took like 50 years for those technologies to reach critical mass! As
I keep saying, the Internet is still in it's infancy.
The problem that the dot.bomb's,
Oh, don't get me wrong. I have no doubt that the Internet is here to stay
and will continue to grow. Obviously there will have to be some kind of
successful service-provider business model that will emerge. That is
inevitable and indisputable.
You have to remember what the original thread was
A few more random thoughts
I would add that the first wave of college students who got used to
100-Mbps in their dorm room are graduating. They aren't going to put up
with 56-Kbps modems at home. Plus they expect to do file sharing with
enormous music and video files. They will expect chea
If I may propose a few counterpoints:
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Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:09 AM
Subject: Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]
In a message dated 2/18/2002 9:13:35 PM Central
x27;s inevitable. They'll just join the
dot-bombs and the dinosaurs.
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From: Hire, Ejay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 1:41 PM
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Subject: RE: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]
Hey, In my spare time I
.you can't tell me that this
factor, especially, doesn't come into play when IT companies are deciding
how
to best spend next year's budget!
My .02c,
Rob H.
> Subj:Re: what is wrong with the job market ? [7:35611]
> Date:2/18/2002 9:13:35 PM Central Standard Time
> From:
one reason so many CLEC's have gone under is that prices are too low, not
too high. They were unable to attain positive cash flow.
All these 100 mbs college students have benefited from what has been
effectively a free resource. Once they start paying their own bills, their
attitudes may well ch
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