Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles

2019-08-20 Thread David Knecht via CnC-List
I have been reading about Barber Haulers to help with reaching by getting the clew further outboard and keeping the leech from twisting off. I was thinking of a snatch block on the toe rail and a line snap shackled to the clew attachment point to accomplish this. However, I have also seen peop

Stus-List barber haulers and whisker poles

2019-08-20 Thread Barry Lenoble via CnC-List
Hey, Generally, the whisker pole is used if you are sailing downwind and the barber hauler if you are reaching. On my boat, if I am doing a windward / leeward race, we will have genoa and mainsail in tight for upwind work. Once we round the mark and head downwind we will run wing and wing with th

Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles

2019-08-20 Thread Andrew Burton via CnC-List
Dave, here’s an article with pic I wrote for Cruising world. I only get the pole out to go wing and wing. Andy Andrew Burton 139 Tuckerman Ave Middletown, RI USA02842 www.burtonsailing.com http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 > On Aug 20, 2019, at 15:48, Da

Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles

2019-08-20 Thread Joel Aronson via CnC-List
If you have a twing for your chute you can also try that instead of a snatch block. With a snatch block we use the lazy sheet to run through the block and then switch sheets. Joel On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 3:54 PM Andrew Burton via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Dave, here’s an articl

Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles

2019-08-20 Thread Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List
I also only use the whisker pole for wing and wing. You can be creative with configuring a barber hauler using various things on board. From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 3:53 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Andrew Burton Subject: Re: Stus-List Barber haulers

Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles

2019-08-20 Thread Gary Nylander via CnC-List
We use the spinnaker twing also. Opens up the slot nicely. Gary 30-1 From: CnC-List On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:13 PM To: cnc-list Cc: Joel Aronson Subject: Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles If you have a twing for your chute

Re: Stus-List barber haulers and whisker poles

2019-08-20 Thread Shawn Wright via CnC-List
Thanks for this description of a barber hauler - I will give this a try, as reaching with the big genoa in lighter air has proven a challenge at times. -- Shawn Wright shawngwri...@gmail.com S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35 https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 1:30 PM Barry Lenobl

Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles

2019-08-20 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List
First, if you are racing, having the whisker pole on the same side as the boom may be prohibited in certain jurisdictions. Barber hauling is a complicated configuration. Basically, you are setting a triangle using two sheets to change location of the clew of the genoa. Generally, "barber haulers"

Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles

2019-08-20 Thread Shawn Wright via CnC-List
Dennis, thanks for the detailed info. I'm trying to understand picture it all, but am unclear on which sheet goes through the snatch block on the rail? I have genoa tracks on the side deck but they are used for the inner 95% jib. The outer genoa uses blocks on the toerail, which I haven't tried rel

Re: Stus-List barber haulers and whisker poles

2019-08-20 Thread Wade Glew via CnC-List
Can I ask Barry, is the barber hauler sheet on the Genoa Lew led to the snap shackle from outside the lifelines or inside? Wade Oh Boy C&C 33 MKII On Tue, Aug 20, 2019, 15:30 Barry Lenoble via CnC-List, < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hey, > > Generally, the whisker pole is used if you are sai

Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles

2019-08-21 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List
Shawn, It sounds like you don't have a genoa track. Look at this: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsb1FWampMNVpnSGM The short track by the shrouds is our jib track. That's for our 95% jib. Further aft is a longer track which is our genoa track for our 125% and larger sails. If yo

Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles

2019-08-21 Thread Jeff Helsdingen via CnC-List
Thanks Dennis, that answered some questions. We were trying to figure out who or why there were pieces of toe rail there. Partially confusing because a previous owner also added job track and a different previous owner had a deck job done but didn't remove them. $75, what a deal.. Jeff Caposhi

Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles

2019-08-21 Thread CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
I rig barberhaulers also. I attach a pulley on the toerail at the sweet spot, with a soft shackle and string up the top of the pulley to the lower lifeline so it doesn't flop around. I keep a short 5/16" diameter line for this purpose with a carabiner in one end and clip that to the upper lifeli

Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles

2019-08-21 Thread Shawn Wright via CnC-List
Hi Dennis, Thanks for the clarification. We do have the aft genoa track similar to yours, but not the forward track. But since our boat has two foresails in a solent rig, the inner stay with the 95% jib is sheeted to the genoa track, and the genoa on the outer stay is sheeted to the toerail with a

Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles

2019-08-21 Thread Shawn Wright via CnC-List
This sounds like a simple solution to rig up. If anyone has photos of their barber hauler or similar setup under use, please share! Thanks -- Shawn Wright shawngwri...@gmail.com S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35 https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 7:28 AM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via Cn

Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles

2019-08-21 Thread CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
On our 1990 C&C 34R: When we sail close hauled the foot of the genoa is completely inside the lifelines and sheeted to the very aft end of our genoa track positioned on deck next to the cabin sides. When reaching, the genoa needs to be trimmed outside the lifelines and sheeted to the toerail f

Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles

2019-08-21 Thread John Conklin via CnC-List
All makes sense Based on replies Plan is to attach snatch block to toe rail mast area have the sheet run to and tied off at my extra winch on one end thru block and clipped off to upper lifeline tensioned to not flip around When reaching will attach this second line to clew (leaving jib sheet a

Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles

2019-08-21 Thread Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List
-list.com Cc: John Conklin Subject: Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles All makes sense Based on replies Plan is to attach snatch block to toe rail mast area have the sheet run to and tied off at my extra winch on one end thru block and clipped off to upper lifeline tensioned to not

Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles

2019-08-21 Thread Jim Watts via CnC-List
:* John Conklin via CnC-List > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 21, 2019 11:30 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* John Conklin > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles > > All makes sense > Based on replies Plan is to attach snatch block to toe rail mast area

Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles

2019-08-21 Thread Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List
CnC List Cc: Jim Watts Subject: Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles I use a simple twing setup...easy to attach, easy to trim, cheap. Up to the point where you need to rig a second sheet outboard of the lifelines, anyhow. https://i.imgur.com/EwjDofL.jpg Jim Watts Paradigm Shift C&a

Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles

2019-08-21 Thread Wade Glew via CnC-List
>> >> >> *From:* John Conklin via CnC-List >> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 21, 2019 11:30 AM >> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> *Cc:* John Conklin >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles >> >> All makes sense >> Based on rep

Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles

2019-08-21 Thread Jim Watts via CnC-List
clew, you can also >>> attach it to the jib sheet itself to deflect it. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* John Conklin via CnC-List >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 21, 2019 11:30 AM >>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> *Cc:* John Conklin >

Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles

2019-08-22 Thread Wade Glew via CnC-List
Aug 2019 at 09:02, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List < >>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>>> John: >>>> >>>> Yes, leave the jib sheet attached. Also, if you don’t like the >>>> position you get attaching the barber h

Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles

2019-08-22 Thread Gary Nylander via CnC-List
: CnC-List On Behalf Of Wade Glew via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 12:24 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Wade Glew Subject: Re: Stus-List Barber haulers and whisker poles Got it. Makes sense as I visualize the scene. Thanks Wade On Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 20:34 Jim Watts via CnC