Re: Internet mapping server and geographic projects at the ASF

2005-12-26 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Philip Mark Donaghy wrote: On 12/25/05, Stefano Mazzocchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: You might want to take a look at what we (my group at MIT) did the international semantic web conference: http://simile.mit.edu/conferences/iswc2005/ Sorry, this was meant

Re: Internet mapping server and geographic projects at the ASF

2005-12-25 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: You might want to take a look at what we (my group at MIT) did the international semantic web conference: http://simile.mit.edu/conferences/iswc2005/ Sorry, this was meant to be http://simile.mit.edu/conference/iswc2005/ -- Stefano

Re: Internet mapping server and geographic projects at the ASF

2005-12-24 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Philip Mark Donaghy wrote: Inspired by the ApacheCon and a discussion during the closing talks on maintaining a virtual map of the world using devices carried by humans, I wish to propose a project at Apache that does that and more. I would like to seek out interested people who would like to w

Re: At what point do you unsubscribe/deny a misbehaving user?

2005-12-17 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Jean T. Anderson wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Dec 16, 2005, at 5:17 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote: derby-user@db.apache.org has been grappling with someone who delights in belittling other posters on the list. The topic was raised on women@ (see the thread starting with http://mail- archi

Re: [ANN] Introducing Apache Agora - reloaded!

2005-07-14 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > Ian Holsman wrote: > >>How would you compare it against Microsoft's Netscan >>(http://netscan.research.microsoft.com/Static/Default.asp) >>? >>which also tries to find the main contributors in different communities. > > >

Re: [ANN] Introducing Apache Agora - reloaded!

2005-07-14 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
". >> What >> are some of the general macro patterns you've seen with this tool? What >> insight does this provide into the community? The docs provide a good >> micro >> level description of how the app models the relationships between >> individuals, bu

Re: [ANN] Introducing Apache Agora - reloaded!

2005-07-14 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Will Glass-Husain wrote: > Replying to the community list as requested... Thank you. > Neat app! Not immediately intuitive as to how to interpret it, but with a > little experimentation I could see patterns. For example, it was > interesting to notice how my email moved from the outskirts of th

Re: [Tsunami help] Help somebody find this boy

2005-01-11 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Please do NOT send this further: http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/children/hannes.asp The boy was reunited with his family weeks ago. Thank you. And sorry for the noise. -- Stefano. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EM

[Tsunami help] Help somebody find this boy

2005-01-10 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
People, please apologize for the OT matter, but if there is something *solid* that we can do to help this kid is to find somebody that knows him. I know some of you are or live in scandinavia and my ethical guessing points me toward that direction. Theory says that there should be no more than

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-29 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Stephen McConnell wrote: -Original Message- From: Rodent of Unusual Size [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 December 2004 20:22 To: community@apache.org Subject: Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Stephen McConnell wrote: No policy adopted by a project can supercede

Re: Update to mailing lists page

2004-12-02 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: this is cool! Any chance we can get labeled x and y axis? No, not unless you can convince of a way to do it that makes sense. I wrote a few shell scripts to do http://simile.mit.edu/charts.html I'm using t

Re: Florida election shenanigans caught on tape

2004-11-20 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Niclas Hedhman wrote: The way you make the bed, is the way you are going to sleep. Niclas, in case you didn't notice, the ASF is *NOT* a democracy. -- Stefano. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-

Re: Organizational analysis of ASF codebases

2004-11-12 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Dave Brondsema wrote: http://libresoft.dat.escet.urjc.es/html/downloads/woss-icse-2004.pdf I hadn't seen this before; hopefully others will find this interesting also. Hmmm, my day job is about graph analysis and I have researched way to visualize community structure and interaction in the ASF fo

Re: Open Source, Cold Shoulder (fwd): One woman's comments

2004-10-20 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Brian Behlendorf wrote: On Tue, 19 Oct 2004, Julie MacNaught wrote: Conclusion? Just play nice. Right on! It's amazing how well a bit of humility, encouragement of others, and responding to fire with ice works in online communities - whether technical like this one, or social, or whatever. I'

Re: Open Source, Cold Shoulder (fwd)

2004-10-09 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: I'm really not very impressed with the article. case in point? What I mean by that is, look at us, read our style in replying. We like to be slick and sharp, and sometimes email is a form of word-based chess playing made with quotes and (

Re: Open Source, Cold Shoulder (fwd)

2004-10-09 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Henri Yandell wrote: I'm really not very impressed with the article. case in point? -- Stefano. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: Style of community building

2004-09-28 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Niclas Hedhman wrote: b. The Incubator. [...] b. is in the group considered a "death sentence". Be that an overstatement, some users are indicating it to be a signal of the negative kind. Steven already said loud and clear and with very nice wording, but let me state one example for all: the Leny

Re: Board Commentary: Metro and Avalon

2004-09-28 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Niclas Hedhman wrote: The problem that Nicola perhaps doesn't realize is that, for Apache to be long-term viable, it constantly needs to revive and evolve itself. Otherwise it will become a speck in history, and not a dominant force of horizontal open-source projects. And as you, Ceki, correctly

Re: IDE licenses

2004-09-21 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Brian Behlendorf wrote: Eclipse is open source. Why is this company using their brand? Ugh. And you know what's funny? This company bought its way in the board of Eclipse too. "F***ed up" might not be right, but it's the first thing that comes to mind. -- Stefano. smime.p7s Description: S/MIM

Re: Policy (Was: Playboy mirror logo?)

2004-08-26 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Le 25 août 04, à 15:53, Sam Ruby a écrit : ...What Jim meant when he said that is that people should STOP saying things like "I am begging you!!" and "God help us all.", and START making concrete suggestions on how the policy itself sh

Re: Inexpensive Lists

2004-07-21 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: --On Sunday, July 18, 2004 4:20 PM -0400 Brian McCallister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I suspect that if 3 ASF'ers want to discuss a topic via email, and think a mailing list would help, there should be a mechanism to simply have it created, bang. Just my 2 cents =) Maili

Re: ASF Board Summary for June 23, 2004

2004-06-28 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sam Ruby wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Greg Stein wrote: * The Cocoon PMC Chair also switched over to Sylvain Wallez, after Steven decided to step down. Steven and Geir are both part of the new PRC, too. What new PRC? Three paragraphs earlier, in Greg's summary: * The Board approve

Re: ASF Board Summary for June 23, 2004

2004-06-28 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Greg Stein wrote: * The Cocoon PMC Chair also switched over to Sylvain Wallez, after Steven decided to step down. Steven and Geir are both part of the new PRC, too. What new PRC? -- Stefano. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-14 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: On Jun 11, 2004, at 10:35 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Brian McCallister wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mccallister]$ umask umask 0002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mccallister]$ umask -S u=rwx,g=rwx,o=rx and set the group sticky bit on the repository home so that group is preserved

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-14 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: On Jun 11, 2004, at 2:20 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: 1) Website needs to be in SVN, else we'll still need accounts for everyone who wants to modify their site annd do releases. Are the SVN based projects taking an approach that handles this? Will it? In the company we ri

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-11 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Brian McCallister wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mccallister]$ umask umask 0002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mccallister]$ umask -S u=rwx,g=rwx,o=rx and set the group sticky bit on the repository home so that group is preserved good hint, thanks. -- Stefano. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-11 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Brian W. Fitzpatrick wrote: On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 13:15, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Pier Fumagalli wrote: On 11 Jun 2004, at 22:02, Jim Moore wrote: Actually, the "all or nothing" part of the transaction isn't a big deal because, as you said, it's very rare that a comm

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-11 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Brian McCallister wrote: We hit this a number of times with svn+ssh until we got everyone to properly set their umask. haven't had it happen since then, however. uh, interesting, what umask did you use? -- Stefano. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-11 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Pier Fumagalli wrote: On 11 Jun 2004, at 22:02, Jim Moore wrote: Actually, the "all or nothing" part of the transaction isn't a big deal because, as you said, it's very rare that a commit in CVS would fail. Problem being (though) is that I've seen Subversion (1.0.2 under Linux) fail right because

Re: The Opposite of Incubator

2004-05-04 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Niclas Hedhman wrote: Hi, At Avalon we have a small problem. Phoenix has ceased to be actively developed, and an external fork has occurred driven by the previous Phoenix developers, called Loom at CodeHaus, and users who needs help with Phoenix are directed to the Loom project. Now, what do we

Re: ASF use spamassassin?

2004-04-20 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Martin Kraemer wrote: On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 09:18:17PM -0400, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Will the ASF use Spamassassin? But my biggest concern is about false positives. That is why I switched from SA to using *only* bogofilter since last summer. I never regretted it, because the heuristic

Re: ASF use spamassassin?

2004-04-18 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
David Crossley wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: David Crossley wrote: It is a classic isn't it. A search at http://pgp.mit.edu/ for "apache" does the trick. So we are doomed. Stefano, i notice that you are not on the list. Is that deliberate? no, I just never got serious eno

Re: Announcing Erathostenes 1.0

2004-04-18 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Andrew Savory wrote: Hi, On 17 Apr 2004, at 18:59, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Find out how this works here: http://www.betaversion.org/~stefano/software/erathostenes/index.html Interesting! But when you say "the assumption is that you *never* delete anything" ... do you mean in perpe

Re: ASF use spamassassin?

2004-04-18 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
David Crossley wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Sounds like a *contest* to me! :-) Can anyone (besides Stefano, who's in a class by himself :-) beat my 1,540 references I found 2 unique references for my @apache.org address. I was hoping for none, since I never use it. One is because I simply hadn'

Re: ASF use spamassassin?

2004-04-17 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Antonio Gallardo wrote: I just hope soon the spam problem will find a final solution. The final solution is to render it obviously ineffective and this battle is done on your end. Why do you think google gives you a Gb-worth of storage? so that you don't delete anything. Why that? have way more

Announcing Erathostenes 1.0

2004-04-17 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
My email address gets 3,820 references in google. Security by obscurity doesn't work, nor fighting spam via obfuscation. My counter indicates 4534 spam message since monday. Of these, only 45 reached my inbox (and half of those are those damn Vicodin strains! grrr) Of all the 27000 spam message

Re: ASF use spamassassin?

2004-04-17 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Antonio Gallardo wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi dijo: David Crossley wrote: Surely we can tune SA to minimise false-positives, especially since we have the experts themselves at Apache. Being an expert in pattern matching doesn't make you an expert in understanding what is spam or not for som

Re: ASF use spamassassin?

2004-04-17 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
David Crossley wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: But my biggest concern is about false positives. One solution would be to use spamassassin for tagging purposes only, but at that point it's much better to let people do the filtering themselves. There is no reason in wasting precious CPU powe

Re: ASF use spamassassin?

2004-04-17 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Antonio Gallardo wrote: Hi: The motivation to write this mail and ask about is: 2 days ago, I installed the spamassassin - http://incubator.apache.org/projects/spamassassin.html Because as many of us I really hate the spam. But what I found is more interesting: I get mails from to my apache.org add

Re: Mailing lists hiding sender's address?

2004-04-14 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Ceki Gülcü <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Your comments are welcome. If you pick 10 people and ask them, you come up with at least 20 solutions for spam and 100 ideas. I think email obfuscation is just as useless yet appealing as security thru obscurity if the amount of email obfuscated is high enou

Re: Adding Stefano's "How it Works!" paper to Apache web

2004-04-04 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: On Apr 4, 2004, at 4:14 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: After forwarding the whitepaper version of Stefano Mazzocchi's Apachecon 2003 session on "How the ASF Works" to several people interested in learning about Apache, it occurred to me that having this content somewhere eas

Re: Apache should join the open source java discussion

2004-03-19 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Noel J. Bergman wrote: What about starting by making sure Apache java projects _do_ work with the 2 open source JVMs that are mentioned in the article ? That would be a statement, much better than "we like open source java, but our software doesn't run on it because it doesn't really matter". Nobo

Re: Apache should join the open source java discussion

2004-03-19 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: On Mar 18, 2004, at 7:10 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Costin Manolache wrote: Serge Knystautas wrote: Leo Simons wrote: Key ASF individuals are joining these discussions, on weblogs and various discussion forums. But the ASF as a whole is silent. In lieu of forming a

Re: Apache should join the open source java discussion

2004-03-19 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Costin Manolache wrote: Serge Knystautas wrote: Leo Simons wrote: Key ASF individuals are joining these discussions, on weblogs and various discussion forums. But the ASF as a whole is silent. In lieu of forming a statement for the ASF as a whole, what about organizing/encouraging/guiding people

Re: ASF Board Summary for March 17, 2004

2004-03-18 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Peter B. West wrote: Greg Stein wrote: Hi all, This morning, we had our monthly Board meeting. This message is to give a quick summary of the actions or discussions which might impact you, as a participant in the activities of the ASF. ... * There has been a good amount of discussion with respec

Re: Apache should join the open source java discussion

2004-03-18 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
David N. Welton wrote: Brian McCallister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I suspect that getting a consensus from the ASF members, much less the community at large, as to a stance on open source Java will be pretty difficult. The ASF is made up of individuals, not a small number of which are intimately

Re: Renaming package names

2004-03-12 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Nick Chalko wrote: Ceki Gülcü wrote: In one of my current projects I have come across some 3rd-party commercial product, that they have renamed the package-structure (from org.apache.log4j to com.COMPANY.org.apache.log4j) - just wanted to know if this does not violate the Apache Software license?

Re: Subversion 1.0

2004-02-27 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Jeff Trawick wrote: Sander Striker wrote: On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 21:02, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Is SVN being proposed for Incubation? I hadn't heard. SVN is built on top of APR, and also implements an Apache module (mod_dav_svn), so it already uses a lot of ASF code. That said, it would totally ro

Re: ASF Board Summary for February 18, 2004

2004-02-23 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On Feb 23, 2004, at 10:05, Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: On 23/02/2004, at 3:55 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Greg Stein wrote: ... It's amazing to see how the foundation, despite it's growth, is still flexible enough to make serious decisions in changing old habits and past mistakes. T

Re: [kfo...@collab.net: Subversion 1.0.0 released.]

2004-02-23 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Greg Stein wrote: fyi... - Forwarded message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Subversion 1.0.0 released. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 04:24:55 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subversion 1.0.0 is ready!

Re: ASF Board Summary for February 18, 2004

2004-02-23 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Greg Stein wrote: Hi all, Since the minutes from a board meeting are not usually available until a month or so after the meeting, I like to provide informal summaries of the meeting. This can help to keep people informed about the actions the Board has taken which may have an effect on the developm

Re: planet aggregation doing some editing?

2004-02-09 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On 9 Feb 2004, at 10:04, Brian McCallister wrote: On Feb 9, 2004, at 9:50 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: the style attribute is dangerous? absolute positioning, maybe. with color. I remember somebody (norman walsh?) showing how you can change the meaning of a page by injecting style that could

Re: Single Location for syndicated Apache blogs

2004-01-10 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On 8 Jan 2004, at 19:38, Ted Leung wrote: Next someone will insist that this has to go through the incubator. LOL -- Stefano. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Community *thanks* and Community *responsibility*

2003-12-22 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: Hello! Now I am exploring about our brains. :-) left-side cerebral cortex (A) | right-side cerebral cortex (D) --|--- left-side limbic system (B) | right-side limbic system (C) (A) can be expressed as "Calculation B

Re: Transition of the subscribers to announce MLs

2003-12-02 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On 1 Dec 2003, at 22:55, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 11:40:21 -0600 William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: If you want to avoid offense, a much better term for your efforts (and more recognizable in the western open-source world) is evangelism. And those evangelism efforts from you, and many f

Re: Talk about ASF

2003-11-29 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On 28 Nov 2003, at 09:57, Sander Striker wrote: On Fri, 2003-11-28 at 08:28, Avik Sengupta wrote: Hi, I have been invited to give a talk on the Apache Software Foundation at the Linux Bangalore/2003 (http://linux-bangalore.org/2003) which bills itself as India's premier Linux/OpenSource event. I

Re: volunteeritis

2003-11-29 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On 28 Nov 2003, at 00:20, Roy T. Fielding wrote: I just wrote about the importance of volunteerism. However, I didn't want to let that go without also warning about the limits of volunteerism, namely volunteeritis. That particular malady is found in the most well-meaning people you will ever meet

Re: Mailing from apache email address

2003-11-08 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On 7 Nov 2003, at 23:25, Brian Behlendorf wrote: Therefore, you have one other option involving SSH, but allowing you to use your local mail client. Minotaur.apache.org is configured to allow SMTP relaying via the localhost interface. So what you do is set up an SSH tunnel that connects your own

Re: Inappropriate use of announce@

2003-10-22 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On Wednesday, Oct 22, 2003, at 01:23 Europe/Rome, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: "Condemn the offense but not the offender." ( Tsumi wo nikun de, hito wo nikuma zu ) I'll add this to my list of design patterns for community management. Without this principle, e-mail communication might soon end up with

Re: Inappropriate use of announce@

2003-10-21 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
I don't want to drag this along forever, but I feel I need to be precise because I don't want email communication to make it drier than it is. On Tuesday, Oct 21, 2003, at 09:07 Europe/Rome, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:52:16 +0200 Stefano Mazzocchi <[EMAIL PROT

Re: Inappropriate use of announce@

2003-10-21 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On Tuesday, Oct 21, 2003, at 07:03 Europe/Rome, Craig R. McClanahan wrote: Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:02:35 -0400 (Subject: Re: Inappropriate use of announce@) Rodent of Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: tetsuya has a lot of energy, and i think we are seeing the common

Re: How to get pgp keys signed

2003-10-16 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On Thursday, Oct 16, 2003, at 18:56 Europe/Rome, Ben Hyde wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Ben Hyde wrote: - ben (who thinks that the web of PGP signatures doesn't grow because people can't figure out the rules and are embaressed to admit it) ..or they haven't been given a rea

Re: How to get pgp keys signed

2003-10-16 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On Wednesday, Oct 15, 2003, at 23:31 Europe/Rome, Ben Hyde wrote: - ben (who thinks that the web of PGP signatures doesn't grow because people can't figure out the rules and are embaressed to admit it) ..or they haven't been given a reason to care. -- Stefano.

Re: Apache Web Of Trust, was Re: [FYI] Apache Agora 1.2

2003-10-13 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On Monday, Oct 13, 2003, at 15:35 Europe/Rome, Ben Laurie wrote: Speaking of which: where's those t-shirt designs, dammit? I would gladly to the graphic design part but don't have any idea on what to write on it :-( -- Stefano. -

[FYI] Apache Agora 1.2

2003-10-04 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
It's with great pleasure that I announce the availability of Apache Agora 1.2. Find it over at http://nagoya.apache.org/~stefano/ [NOTE: the location has changed since last version!] Unlike previous versions where dataclouds were generated by a script and simply visualized by the application,

Re: [Apache Newsletter Draft] News from YOUR PROJECTS in July, 2003

2003-08-02 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On Friday, Aug 1, 2003, at 15:01 Europe/Rome, David Reid wrote: Can we move discussions about newsletters to another mailing list? I know I'm not alone in finding that while some here will be interested, many aren't interested in assisting though will happily read the finished results. Regrettabl

Re: MailAlias.txt

2003-07-24 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On Tuesday, Jul 22, 2003, at 23:41 America/Guayaquil, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: Hi, I put the text file named "MailAlias.txt" on the committer module (on the top directory). USAGE: [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Apache Newsletter [Re: Jakarta Newsletter Issue 9 -- May-June 2003]

2003-07-11 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
on 7/11/03 6:07 AM Thom May wrote: > Why the obsession with email? push vs. pull example: we are having this conversation and the information I'm sending its pushed into your mailbox. I could post this information on a weblog and then point you to it, but, in my experience, the chance that you w

Re: Jakarta Newsletter Issue 9 -- May-June 2003

2003-07-10 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
on 7/10/03 4:21 PM Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: > ... > >>one of the consequences of encouraging the breaking up of jakarta is >>that there are a lot more apache projects (whether they started in > > ... > >>if we do manage to get some momentum for an apache-wide newsletter, would > > > Pleas

Re: WORA Considered Evil ;-)

2003-06-28 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
on 6/27/03 5:37 PM Steve Brewin wrote: >> - the chance of a JVM exploit. >> - potential exploits via native code in >> a JDBC driver. >> - the use of native code in matchers/mailets, >> e.g., the anti-virus matcher. >> --- >> - the use of third

Re: WORA Considered Evil ;-)

2003-06-27 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
on 6/27/03 1:23 PM Noel J. Bergman wrote: > There are good reasons for allowing the mail administrator to > choose (easy of use and reduced memory consumption vs robustness and > flexibility). Agreed. -- Stefano. - To unsubs

Re: WORA Considered Evil ;-)

2003-06-27 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
on 6/27/03 6:43 AM Danny Angus wrote: > Stephano wrote: > > >>And in order to do this, we must commit a few sins, one of which could >>be compiling our existing code for .NET CLI > > > Funny you should mention that... because I'm porting the Mailet API to .NET. > > The problem isn't with the

Re: Java + Scripting languages

2003-06-27 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
on 6/27/03 5:58 AM Sam Ruby wrote: > Sometimes it sucks to be four years ahead of your time. Amen. -- Stefano. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: WORA Considered Evil ;-)

2003-06-27 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
on 6/26/03 9:01 PM Noel J. Bergman wrote: >>Well, all "decent" OSes... You won't find "fork" in stupid WindoSH... > > "According to market researcher OneStat.com, Windows now controls 97.46 > percent of the global desktop operating system market, compared to just 1.43 > percent for Apple Macintos

Re: WORA Considered Evil ;-)

2003-06-27 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
on 6/26/03 4:47 PM Noel J. Bergman wrote: > [Reply in multiple pieces based on sub-topic] > > >>>A problem with multiple JVM instances is the lack of sharing between >>>multiple instances. > > >>on some operating systems, different JVMs share as much as 80% of >>their memory. > > >>>I would

Parrot [was Re: How ASF membership works and what it means]

2003-06-27 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
copying the cocoon folks since we are getting pretty serious with continuations overthere (we implement them using a modified version of Mozilla Rhino, a javascript engine written in java) on 6/26/03 3:15 PM Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote: > On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Santiago Gala wrote: > > [...] > >>I st

Re: WORA Considered Evil ;-)

2003-06-26 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
on 6/26/03 11:28 AM Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > So, we created the Mailet API and started JAMES, later we had Federico > involved that did most of the coding. The above is not painting the picture correctly. Federico did the POP3 server and the first Avalon integration, while Serge did th

Re: WORA Considered Evil ;-)

2003-06-26 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
on 6/26/03 1:03 AM Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Do you really know only such cloistered Java programmers despite all of the > ones you meet? Yes. Very few have the guts to exit the celebrated monocultural java vision (and I was one of them since not so long ago) >>basically they are totally isolated

Re: Java + Scripting languages

2003-06-26 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
on 6/26/03 7:55 AM David N. Welton wrote: > Hi guys, I saw this: > > http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=223 > > The specification may include a Java API that can be used, > possibly through JNI, by an scripting language engine to > access the desired Java objects. > > C

Re: How ASF membership works and what it means

2003-06-26 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
on 6/26/03 6:46 AM Santiago Gala wrote: > Stefano Mazzocchi escribió: > >>on 6/24/03 6:59 AM Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: >> >> >> >>>>I think that we have multiple subcultures under the ASF umbrella, due to >>>>the way that the umbrella proj

Re: WORA Considered Evil ;-)

2003-06-26 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
on 6/26/03 8:03 AM David N. Welton wrote: > Glen Stampoultzis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >>Yes. As dogmatic as Sun has been about "pure" Java it's still a >>success factor in the adoption of Java. There's still no other >>platform out there that makes it as easy as Java to write for >>mult

Re: How ASF membership works and what it means

2003-06-26 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
on 6/24/03 6:55 AM Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: > Then perhaps my observation means absolutely nothing - and I should really > try to get my mind around a fundamentally different development model (and > some aspect you call WORA). Oh, sorry, WORA := Write Once Run Anywhere. It's java's first com

Re: How ASF membership works and what it means

2003-06-24 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
on 6/24/03 6:59 AM Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: >>I think that we have multiple subcultures under the ASF umbrella, due to >>the way that the umbrella projects were formed. Whether you like that >>or not, I think that is the reality. I know that I personally would > > And I think that is a heal

Re: How ASF membership works and what it means

2003-06-23 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
on 6/23/03 8:42 AM Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: > > On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Steven Noels wrote: > > >>Stefano's insightful post got me carried away to run some stats on >>members & projects: http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/archives/001008.html > > > I've always stopped short of doing just thi

Re: How ASF membership works and what it means

2003-06-23 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
on 6/21/03 11:01 PM Thom May wrote: > * Stefano Mazzocchi ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > >>NOTE: copying members@ and community@ since this might be helpful to >>many people. >> > > Stefano, > this was a really well written piece that, for me anyway, explained &

How ASF membership works and what it means

2003-06-22 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
NOTE: copying members@ and community@ since this might be helpful to many people. As many of you know, three cocoon committers were nominated then elected members of the Apache Software Foundation yesterday. Since I've been inquired by a few on how the system works, I'll spend some words on the pr

Re: The cash of our lives / Dvorak

2003-06-14 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
on 6/10/03 2:10 PM Ben Hyde wrote: > On Tuesday, June 10, 2003, at 03:01 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > > >>On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 01:58:16PM +0100, Danny Angus wrote: >> >>>Jeff, >>> >>> Yes, and isn't it fun. >>> >>>--fun snipped-- ;-) >>> >>>So should we only do things that are fun? >>> >>>Movi

Re: news.apache.org (was: apache.org vs. mozilla.org)

2003-04-06 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
on 4/6/03 12:17 AM Danny Angus wrote: >>Two problems I'd have with switching to NNTP exclusively: > > > I would hope that this discussion is about augmenting the listservers by > providing NNTP as an alternative means of access, not a replacement. Yes, people, do not worry: the discussion is

talking about privacy

2003-04-05 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
I started looking up a bunch of US people I know and I found this: http://preview.ussearch.com/preview/preview.jsp?adID=10002101&fc=NCSHORT&x=0&y=0&searchFName=Sam&searchMName=&searchLName=Ruby&searchCity=&searchState=&searchApproxAge=40 Gosh, Sam, you really look younger than your age ;-) Anywa

Re: apache.org vs. mozilla.org

2003-04-05 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
on 4/5/03 4:22 PM Glen Stampoultzis wrote: > At 11:15 PM 5/04/2003, you wrote: > >>Recently, I've started to dive into mozilla with a developer eye. *very >>slowly* since my c++ skills are almost non-existant (and my c skills >>are, h, rusted and ruined by the java garbage collector :-) >> >>

apache.org vs. mozilla.org

2003-04-05 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Recently, I've started to dive into mozilla with a developer eye. *very slowly* since my c++ skills are almost non-existant (and my c skills are, h, rusted and ruined by the java garbage collector :-) Anyway, the cultural differences between their style of development and ours are striking. 1

Re: [proposal] daedalus jar repository

2003-03-01 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
l for us. Yes, it's often different from what the project creates and distributes, but I (and others) have been bitten by commons-logging.jar, struts.jar, junit.jar so many times, that seeing log4j-1.2.5.jar is a godsend. I totally share this experience and support the concept. -- Stefano

Re: Maven and community

2003-03-01 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
x27;s past comments don't help painting the picture of an open community, even if I agree with him about selectivity being natural and with Dion when he says that a community is much more than a single invidivual. I would say 'go for it' and let darwin lead the

Scrambling jar files?

2003-02-28 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
I just ran into this and found that might be worth injecting into the jar repositories discussions. http://nbbuild.netbeans.org/scrambler.html -- Stefano Mazzocchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate [William of

Re: Ant PMC Issue (was: RE: [proposal] daedalus jar repository)

2003-02-26 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
eans if the dev community is healthy. I repeat: *if* the community is healthy. -- Stefano Mazzocchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Pluralitas non

Re: Ant PMC Issue (was: RE: [proposal] daedalus jar repository (was: primary distribution location))

2003-02-26 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Jason van Zyl wrote: What irks the hell out of me is people like Nicola constantly whining about being excluded. Excluded from what? I find this message quite interesting in this context: http://www.mail-archive.com/general@jakarta.apache.org/msg07046.html Expecially your signature. -- Stefano

Re: Ant PMC Issue (was: RE: [proposal] daedalus jar repository)

2003-02-26 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
early that this 'recursive nature' of the Cocoon Resolution is a problem and that they expect the Cocoon PMC to fix this ASAP. -- Stefano Mazzocchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Pluralitas non est ponenda sine

[fyi] apache ego massage

2003-02-21 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
http://java.sun.com/features/2003/02/britannica.html -- Stefano Mazzocchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate [William of

Re: the artistic license and ASF code - okay?

2003-02-18 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Henri Gomez wrote: FYI, Cocoon ships with Jetty built in. Never tried to bundled with Tomcat ?) No, Cocoon is big enough already. -- Stefano Mazzocchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate [William of

Re: the artistic license and ASF code - okay?

2003-02-18 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
use only its own projects ;) FYI, Cocoon ships with Jetty built in. -- Stefano Mazzocchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate [Wil

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