Everyone's had their say about the missing laptop study. And 94-98% of
the world still buys Windows computers and probably will for the rest
of our lifetimes. Give it a rest already.
We are not off course. You just want to censor the message.
If more people valued their expensive laptops fewer
A polygraph for who? I like the way you cut and pasted that quote from
cnet...at first glance it looks like 20,000 google employees have macs.
Sorry, corrected it reads...
Google has long had a fondness for the Mac, with upwards of 6,000 of
its... 20,000 current employees opting to use the Mac
Your question could be more easily answered had it not contained
the phrase productivity and happiness, as if they are somehow
connected to one another in a way that suggests that if you have one,
you'll automatically have the other.
See, there is the IT manager as slave master mentality
HAHAHAHA! You are too funny Tom! But you didn't use one of them cute
smileys, so it's hard to tell if you're being serious - as most of your
posts seem ...
Most of the time, Tom is not all that serious. He is having fun asking
questions from the left field. He enjoys making edgy remarks.
On Jul 12, 2008, at 12:29 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
Staff is much more productive and much more happy. Yes
those two words are connected.
Fine in that particular situation. However, the phrase more
productive can mean that folks are being overworked, often because
fewer employees (a cost
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I would expect Jeff to not get it. Many people have emotional
attachments
to things like pets or cars or tools. When a tool is empowering its
user,
its user gets a rush and some of that good feeling transfers to the
tool.
This is all freshman Psych 101 stuff.
One of my clients just pink slipped their IT team and brought in a new
team. I must say that this new team reinforces my long-held beliefs
about IT management.
Don't you mean *doesn't* reinforce my long-held beliefs about IT
management?
Otherwise, you've been lying to us all along, you sly
Don't you mean *doesn't* reinforce my long-held beliefs about IT
management?
No. It reinforced my long-held beliefs by demonstrating that good IT
management is possible and can quickly turn around a bad situation to
everyone's benefit. It was a good controlled experiment because nothing
The IT departments I've worked with who have had bad attitudes have
usually gained those attitudes as a larger part of the structure of the
company/CEO they work for.
As they say: QFT.
Mismanagement starts at the top. One way or another.
Agreed. However, that does not mean that a significant number of
those purchases are being made by corporations for use by their
employees
Looks like a fine post for FlatEarthSociety-L.
Why is it so important for you to deny the prevalence of Macs? Macs,
especially Mac laptops, are quite
On Jul 11, 2008, at 11:21 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
Why is it so important for you to deny the prevalence of Macs? Macs,
especially Mac laptops, are quite common these days.
I am not trying to deny the prevalence of Macs. I was responding
to a post of yours that was related to a thread
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Agreed. However, that does not mean that a significant number of
those purchases are being made by corporations for use by their
employees
Looks like
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I also didn't realize Mac owners would be emotionally attached to their
computers. In my job, I use both Macs and PCs (yeah, I know... I've
never 'fessed up that I'm a Mac person too). But I don't feel any more
emotional attachment
It depends on the industry/business you are involved in.
In the religious/Non profit world you are usually confined to
donated/refurbished equipment. I know many pastors who have either
bought their own laptops (like me) or have larger churches where
business exec's donate used laptops from
I was not familiar with them, but after looking at them they are only
slightly cheaper than buying on the market.
The only advantage is Office 2003 coming with it.
Stewart
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Stewart - have you ever heard of TechSoup - www.techsoup.org? They
offer significant
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I was not familiar with them, but after looking at them they are only
slightly cheaper than buying on the market.
The only advantage is Office 2003 coming with it.
Stewart
At 12:34 PM 7/11/2008, you wrote:
Stewart - have you ever heard
Don't ask me they are the ones publishing it. I guess they decided
to make only one platform I guess.
From what I hear it is a real dog anyway. It is a subscription
program and My church does not want to pay out for the subscription.
They changed the way they do the programing now as they
Man, you are so off base here. You've never noticed:
classic car owners emotionally attached to their cars?
musicians emotionally attached to their instruments?
chefs attached to their knives?
craftsmen (woodworkers especially) attached to their tools?
Most
My point was that it should not be assumed that a goodly number of those
lost computers were Macs that were owned by businesses and dedicated
to business use.
Why do you think a businesses should not care about the productivity and
happiness of its workers? Why do you think managers are
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My point was that it should not be assumed that a goodly number of those
lost computers were Macs that were owned by businesses and dedicated
to business use.
Why do you think a businesses should not care about the
A polygraph for who? I like the way you cut and pasted that quote from
cnet...at first glance it looks like 20,000 google employees have macs.
Hopefully all our readers who care enough followed the link to learn the
numbers.
Most successful businesses have macs? Really? I'd like to see that
On Jul 11, 2008, at 8:21 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
Why do you think a businesses should not care about the
productivity and
happiness of its workers?
Your question could be more easily answered had it not contained
the phrase productivity and happiness, as if they are somehow
connected
My god talk about topic drift. This has to be one of the worst things
about a mailing list - there's no way to actually *close* a thread
when it veers way off course.
Everyone's had their say about the missing laptop study. And 94-98% of
the world still buys Windows computers and probably will
At 07:46 PM 7/9/2008, you wrote:
I thought Tom's recent post was even more derisive than normal. It
felt to me, as if it touched some sort of nerve with him.
My writing that Mac owners are more emotionally attached to their
computers and therefore less likely to be careless with them was hardly
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I thought Tom's recent post was even more derisive than normal. It
felt to me, as if it touched some sort of nerve with him.
My writing that Mac
] Where's my computer?
I thought Tom's recent post was even more derisive than normal. It
felt to me, as if it touched some sort of nerve with him.
My writing that Mac owners are more emotionally attached to their
computers and therefore less likely to be careless with them was hardly
of a Mac laptop, fresh out of the box.
Larry
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Larry now don't deny when you had
Still have two at my office.
Certain forms do not play well with computers yet.
Stewart
At 01:27 PM 7/10/2008, you wrote:
Yes. I must confess. I must relieve myself of this horrible burden. I
cried when I tossed the typewriter! I cried darnit. It was like saying
goodbye to an old, dear,
I also didn't realize Mac owners would be emotionally attached to their
computers. In my job, I use both Macs and PCs (yeah, I know... I've
never 'fessed up that I'm a Mac person too). But I don't feel any more
emotional attachment to the Macs that I use than I do to my PC. I see
them both as
i presume that a very high percentage of the computers hauled thru
airports are by business persons. very few companies by mac laptops for
their employees.
Then you haven't been paying attention...
Dell takes huge hit as Apple laptop sales soar
On Jul 10, 2008, at 9:28 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
A 17 percent market share is statistically significant.
Agreed. However, that does not mean that a significant number of
those purchases are being made by corporations for use by their
employees.
Steve
I thought Tom's recent post was even more derisive than normal. It
felt to me, as if it touched some sort of nerve with him.
My writing that Mac owners are more emotionally attached to their
computers and therefore less likely to be careless with them was hardly
inflammatory, unless one were
I have been following this thread, and I found the number of 10,000 per
month just astounding. But if you figure that is 333 per day, that
probably comes out to something like one a day at every airport around
the country. And then when you figure out how many business travelers
are late for
On Jul 8, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Mike Sloane wrote:
I have been following this thread, and I found the number of 10,000
per month just astounding.
Actually, I think you have misread the figures. It is 10,000 per
week.
Steve
If you take into account how many folks fly on any given day and how
many go through the airports in a given week as an average you will
find it is not really a high number.
I am just trying to figure out where all the laptops go. Somewhere
there must be a huge store room full of them.
I think the study is flawed. If not, why hasn't any of us heard of
this auction of thousands of unclaimed laptops? What are the odds that
none of them has sensitive information and wouldn't have made the
news?
And yes, most definitely, if someone were to 'forget' a laptop at an
airport I would
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What's funny is, knowing Tom's insecurity with his computer choice I
knew
exactly where he was going...you've been around long enough too...you
should
have known this would work to some kind of pc slam.
Mike
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1
and it's only in the xx biggest airports (don't remember the figure)
Steve Rigby wrote:
On Jul 8, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Mike Sloane wrote:
I have been following this thread, and I found the number of 10,000
per month just astounding.
Actually, I think you have misread the figures. It is
Well there is another way to treat stuff that comes over an email list.
It is called the delete key.
Use it judiciously.
Stewart
At 10:36 AM 7/8/2008, you wrote:
I was wondering just how long someone would point that out.
Perhaps we should start rating Tom's negative comments about PCs
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/147739/laptops_lost_like_hot_cakes_at_us_airports.html_
the study was funded by dell, who is introducing a new laptop tracking
system!!
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Actually they measure only B and C class airports which are some of
our busier airports.
I usually fly out of a Class (I don't know) airport which is a local
feeder to Atlanta.
There are only less than a half dozen flights out and they are all on
Delta so do not think we have that many
On Jul 8, 2008, at 10:48 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
I am just trying to figure out where all the laptops go. Somewhere
there must be a huge store room full of them.
Maybe.
Steve
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On Jul 8, 2008, at 11:36 AM, Larry Sacks wrote:
I was wondering just how long someone would point that out.
Perhaps we should start rating Tom's negative comments about PCs
like a
movie or restaurant.
He'd probably love it. Like it or not, Tom has his opinions and
we know some of
On Jul 8, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Tony B wrote:
I think the study is flawed. If not, why hasn't any of us heard of
this auction of thousands of unclaimed laptops?
There are many things that we do not hear of.
I have yet to see a pile of forgotten laptops at any TSA screening
area. Much more
could you elaborate on that for me, as in my opinion,
the whole purpose of advertising is to sell people what they don't need.
At 01:53 PM 7/8/2008, you wrote:
That fact has not gone unnoticed. However, since laptop tracking
systems are going to fast become one of the new things to opt
: [CGUYS] Where's my computer?
On Jul 8, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Tony B wrote:
I think the study is flawed. If not, why hasn't any of us heard of
this auction of thousands of unclaimed laptops?
There are many things that we do not hear of.
I have yet to see a pile of forgotten laptops at any TSA
I've been watching this thread and I'm really tired of Mr. Rigby's
unsubstantiated accusations of theft by TSA employees. The article says
that 69% of the laptops are not reclaimed it does NOT say they were not
recovered.
I work for TSA and most of the people I work with are HONEST people
Why even take the trouble to delete the message? Just leave it sit unread.
There's plenty of space on today's large hard drives.
Fred Holmes
At 11:47 AM 7/8/2008, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
Well there is another way to treat stuff that comes over an email list.
It is called the delete key.
On Jul 8, 2008, at 4:08 PM, gerald wrote:
the whole purpose of advertising is to sell people what they don't
need.
Maybe. Maybe not. The Lo-Jack™ concept began with the
automobile. Cars do get stolen and car theft is a problem. With my
car, there would be no need for such. Within
On Jul 8, 2008, at 5:02 PM, Howard Wall wrote:
I've been watching this thread and I'm really tired of Mr. Rigby's
unsubstantiated accusations of theft by TSA employees.
I believe I have written only the following entries in reference
to TSA employees:
Whadda ya mean, much more
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On Jul 8, 2008, at 4:08 PM, gerald wrote:
the whole purpose of advertising is to sell people what they don't
need.
Maybe. Maybe not. The Lo-Jack(tm) concept began with the
automobile. Cars do
Study says more than 10,000 laptops go missing at US airports each week
http://tinyurl.com/6sx4hb
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On Jul 7, 2008, at 12:04 PM, Steve Rigby wrote:
Study says more than 10,000 laptops go missing at US airports each
week
In response to my own message, another parallel article states
that most of the computers go missing at the security checkpoints. I
would therefore hazard a guess
Every time I have flown you must take your laptop out of the bag and
put into one of those bins.
From what I read in the article it seems many folks forget to pick
their laptop back up, and then proceed not to ask for it or search for it.
It sounds more like forgetfulness, than theft. I am
On Jul 7, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
Every time I have flown you must take your laptop out of the bag
and put into one of those bins.
That is the procedure.
From what I read in the article it seems many folks forget to pick
their laptop back up, and then proceed not
Study says more than 10,000 laptops go missing at US airports each week
Actually 10,000 PCs. Most were not lost, they were abandoned.
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that number sounds about right. i get to DCA an hour ahead of my flight. i
hear the call for the passenger to pick up their computer at tsa once every 2
or 3 times i sit.
i have never heard a call for abandon computer at DFW(dallas).
At 02:38 PM 7/7/2008, you wrote:
Study says more than
On Jul 7, 2008, at 2:38 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
Actually 10,000 PCs. Most were not lost, they were abandoned.
An even worse scenario.
Steve
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On Jul 7, 2008, at 3:06 PM, gerald wrote:
that number sounds about right. i get to DCA an hour ahead of my
flight. i hear the call for the passenger to pick up their
computer at tsa once every 2 or 3 times i sit.
So, how in the hell does one go about forgetting their computer,
Yes and no.
With the current way Insurance works on many sides there is no effort
needed to get reimbursed.
I happen to value my Laptop and would not want to loose it no matter what.
Stewart
At 02:28 PM 7/7/2008, you wrote:
On Jul 7, 2008, at 2:38 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
Actually 10,000
TSA is not the one required to contact you if you leave something.
Does the motel call you if you leave a piece of clothing in your room
when you travel?
I lost a very nice sport coat last summer in a very nice high class
expensive hotel. Forgot it in my room. Last it was seen.
Items
On Jul 7, 2008, at 4:18 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
TSA is not the one required to contact you if you leave something.
According to a recent post here on this subject, TSA will make
announcements about forgotten computers, at least at Dulles
International.
Does the motel call you
So, how in the hell does one go about forgetting their computer,
especially as many times at it apparently occurs? And then to make
so little effort to retrieve it? Have we, as a society, actually
developed that much of a throw away attitude toward relatively
expensive things? If so,
On Jul 7, 2008, at 5:33 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
A Mac owner would not do this, but not so if you are lugging around a
misbehaving PC that some driod in IT decided you must have. I would
not
make any effort to get it back. I would be thinking that I might get a
replacement that maybe, just
i think that to be incorrect. the life of corporate individual is within the
carried computer.
At 06:36 PM 7/7/2008, you wrote:
On Jul 7, 2008, at 5:33 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
A Mac owner would not do this, but not so if you are lugging around a
misbehaving PC that some driod in IT decided you
What's funny is, knowing Tom's insecurity with his computer choice I knew
exactly where he was going...you've been around long enough too...you should
have known this would work to some kind of pc slam.
Mike
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall
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Yes
Well all the mac owners all have higher IQ's are better dressed, drive
faster better cars, travel in first class and also have anywhere from 3 to
16 assistance helping them remember their laptop. It's just not fair to
those dumb pc people!
Mike
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL
Even including thefts, this just doesn't sound plausible. Can anyone
find the *actual study*? Following a bunch of links they all just seem
to link to each other.
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Steve Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Study says more than 10,000 laptops go missing at US airports
Even including thefts, this just doesn't sound plausible. Can anyone
find the *actual study*? Following a bunch of links they all just seem
to link to each other.
Here it is. The study was sponsored by Dell.
http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/services/dell_lost_laptop_study.pdf
It says,
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