Re: [dabo-users] cdxml vs. coding

2010-01-21 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
I code everything Python by hand and just don't like GUI tools for development work – at the moment I'm working on a Delphi application for a customer, and I hate it ;-) I get accustomed to Delphi's GUI tools, though, but often switch to the code view of forms, e.g. I can use search replace

Re: [dabo-users] cdxml vs. coding

2010-01-21 Thread Jacek Kałucki
Użytkownik Jeff Johnson napisał: 91). The sizers make for a very professional form, too. I would like to know why some of you code your own forms by hand. Because there are still plenty of bugs in it, e.g.: Traceback (most recent call last): File

Re: [dabo-users] cdxml vs. coding

2010-01-21 Thread Miguel Lopes
2010/1/21 Jacek Kałucki lab...@rz.onet.pl Użytkownik Jeff Johnson napisał: 91). The sizers make for a very professional form, too. I would like to know why some of you code your own forms by hand. Mostly because of the level of control. It allows dynamic and conditional creation of

Re: [dabo-users] cdxml vs. coding

2010-01-21 Thread Jeff Johnson
John wrote: On Wednesday 20 January 2010 05:52:58 pm Jeff Johnson wrote: I have heard some folks saying that they code their own forms. After working with the class designer I feel that it is even better than VFP. I can put together a great form in a short period of time and the property

Re: [dabo-users] cdxml vs. coding

2010-01-21 Thread John
On Thursday 21 January 2010 06:34:01 am Jeff Johnson wrote: John wrote: On Wednesday 20 January 2010 05:52:58 pm Jeff Johnson wrote: I have heard some folks saying that they code their own forms. After working with the class designer I feel that it is even better than VFP. I can put

Re: [dabo-users] cdxml vs. coding

2010-01-21 Thread John
On Thursday 21 January 2010 01:24:23 am Jacek Kałucki wrote:    File c:\SVN\dabodev\ide\ClassDesignerComponents.py, line 49, in getDesignerDict      if os.path.exists(clsPath):    File C:\Python25\lib\ntpath.py, line 255, in exists      st = os.stat(path) TypeError: coercing to Unicode: need

Re: [dabo-users] cdxml vs. coding

2010-01-21 Thread Jeff Johnson
John wrote: John: Can you give me some examples of the flexibility you mentioned? Sure, I find myself using many custom controls and needing custom layouts. And then there are the client change orders - I find it difficult to add controls and move others around using ClassDesigner.

Re: [dabo-users] cdxml vs. coding

2010-01-21 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:39 AM, Jeff Johnson wrote: I haven't looked into this deeply, but my first glance is that it is not easy to take a cdxml form and convert it to a hand coded form. That was never the design goal for the Class Designer. The two are not interchangeable. -- Ed

Re: [dabo-users] cdxml vs. coding

2010-01-21 Thread Nate Lowrie
John wrote: I'm not sure I'd call the traceback a ClassDesigner bug. Almost all the path issues that have been reported turn out to be user errors - at least that's what I recall. Such as the user does not understand the Dabo structure or the user saves the cdxml file completely out of

Re: [dabo-users] cdxml vs. coding

2010-01-21 Thread jpoorrandp
-Original Message- From: Ed Leafe e...@leafe.com To: Dabo Users list dabo-users@leafe.com Sent: Thu, Jan 21, 2010 11:38 am Subject: Re: [dabo-users] cdxml vs. coding On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:39 AM, Jeff Johnson wrote: I haven't looked into this deeply, but my first glance

Re: [dabo-users] cdxml vs. coding

2010-01-21 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, jpoorra...@aol.com wrote: That was never the design goal for the Class Designer. The two are not nterchangeable. - Ed Leafe ut how does the cdxml file run in dabo? It must be converted into python code at some point, right? Couldn't we see that?

Re: [dabo-users] cdxml vs. coding

2010-01-21 Thread Jeff Johnson
Ed Leafe wrote: On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:39 AM, Jeff Johnson wrote: I haven't looked into this deeply, but my first glance is that it is not easy to take a cdxml form and convert it to a hand coded form. That was never the design goal for the Class Designer. The two are not

Re: [dabo-users] cdxml vs. coding

2010-01-21 Thread Jacek Kałucki
Użytkownik John napisał: I'm not sure I'd call the traceback a ClassDesigner bug. Almost all the path issues that have been reported turn out to be user errors - at least that's what I recall. Such as the user does not understand the Dabo structure or the user saves the cdxml file completely

Re: [dabo-users] cdxml vs. coding

2010-01-21 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 21, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote: I figured as much, but as a FoxPro guy the class designer is awesome. For most people who develop desktop UIs, a WYSIWYG tool is essential; we'll never get Dabo into general acceptance without a good one. A proper IDE that has the

Re: [dabo-users] cdxml vs. coding

2010-01-21 Thread Paul McNett
When we started Dabo, I already had projects on my plate for which I needed the library. So initial coding of the library was refactoring pieces of this and that I'd saved elsewhere for specific needs. The class designer as you see it now is at least the second complete rewrite, and was

Re: [dabo-users] cdxml vs. coding

2010-01-21 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 21, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Paul McNett wrote: Also, I feel at home with the toolkit I've developed over the years, and my code/test cycle is very fast. I never have a .py file open without saving for more than a few minutes, and vim keeps a backup file around in case my computer

Re: [dabo-users] cdxml vs. coding

2010-01-21 Thread Jeff Johnson
Ed Leafe wrote: On Jan 21, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote: I figured as much, but as a FoxPro guy the class designer is awesome. For most people who develop desktop UIs, a WYSIWYG tool is essential; we'll never get Dabo into general acceptance without a good one. A proper

Re: [dabo-users] cdxml vs. coding

2010-01-21 Thread Jeff Johnson
Ed Leafe wrote: On Jan 21, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Paul McNett wrote: Also, I feel at home with the toolkit I've developed over the years, and my code/test cycle is very fast. I never have a .py file open without saving for more than a few minutes, and vim keeps a backup file around in case

Re: [dabo-users] cdxml vs. coding

2010-01-21 Thread Paul McNett
Ed Leafe wrote: On Jan 21, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Paul McNett wrote: Also, I feel at home with the toolkit I've developed over the years, and my code/test cycle is very fast. I never have a .py file open without saving for more than a few minutes, and vim keeps a backup file around in case

Re: [dabo-users] cdxml vs. coding

2010-01-21 Thread Paul McNett
Jeff Johnson wrote: Ed Paul: I really think that the VFP folks will love the class designer. It is so VFP! I am maybe a little bit different then the norm. I have a UI and then I do some things that the UI won't necessarily support. I really like the class designer and that is what

[dabo-users] cdxml vs. coding

2010-01-20 Thread Jeff Johnson
I have heard some folks saying that they code their own forms. After working with the class designer I feel that it is even better than VFP. I can put together a great form in a short period of time and the property sheet, object view, code editor are better than VFP by a long shot (in my

Re: [dabo-users] cdxml vs. coding

2010-01-20 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:52 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote: I have heard some folks saying that they code their own forms. After working with the class designer I feel that it is even better than VFP. I can put together a great form in a short period of time and the property sheet, object view,

Re: [dabo-users] cdxml vs. coding

2010-01-20 Thread Jeff Johnson
Ed Leafe wrote: On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:52 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote: I have heard some folks saying that they code their own forms. After working with the class designer I feel that it is even better than VFP. I can put together a great form in a short period of time and the property

Re: [dabo-users] cdxml vs. coding

2010-01-20 Thread John
On Wednesday 20 January 2010 05:52:58 pm Jeff Johnson wrote: I have heard some folks saying that they code their own forms. After working with the class designer I feel that it is even better than VFP. I can put together a great form in a short period of time and the property sheet, object

Re: [dabo-users] cdxml vs. coding

2010-01-20 Thread Nate Lowrie
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 22:29, Jeff Johnson j...@dcsoftware.com wrote: Ed: I was one of those guys. Maybe that's why I asked the question. I am totally impressed with the job you guys have done. The class designer is a powerful, reliable and intuitive tool to use. We won't even mention