Re: [db-wg] creating a second route object

2024-04-15 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
The same thing occurs if there's a less specific route(6) object. I would suspect that this is probably unintended behaviour? -Cynthia On Mon, 15 Apr 2024, 13:12 Aleksi Suhonen via db-wg, wrote: > Hi, > > When migrating a route from one ASN to another, the best practice is to > create a

Re: [db-wg] Whois Inverse Query by "sponsoring-org:" Attribute

2024-04-05 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
+1 On Fri, 5 Apr 2024, 14:08 Edward Shryane via db-wg, wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > Currently, Whois query does not support the "sponsoring-org:" attribute in > an inverse query, i.e. to find all resources sponsored by an organisation. > > The "sponsoring-org:' attribute was added to the RIPE

Re: [db-wg] Call for Volunteers for RIPE Database Working Group Co-Chair

2024-03-28 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Ah, that makes sense! Thanks for the explanation. :) -Cynthia On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, 01:57 David Tatlisu, wrote: > Hi Cynthia, > > One of the reasons volunteers are asked to send their names off-list is to > prevent people from assuming they don't need to bother if somebody else has > already

Re: [db-wg] Call for Volunteers for RIPE Database Working Group Co-Chair

2024-03-28 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi David, May I ask what the reasoning behind contacting you directly is? It seems quite strange and lacking in transparency to me. -Cynthia On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, 01:25 David Tatlisu via db-wg, wrote: > > ** >

[db-wg] Phone number requirement for person objects

2024-01-17 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi, In the DB-WG interim session I mentioned that there's currently a discrepancy between person objects and role objects with regards to contact information. More specifically, person objects currently require a phone number while role objects require an email address. I think we should try to

Re: [db-wg] DB WG interim session January 2024

2024-01-09 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
If we have time after the main topics, I would like to discuss RDAP a bit as I feel like there are some issues that need to be addressed. -Cynthia On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 11:00 PM David Tatlisu via db-wg wrote: > > Hi, > Picking up from RIPE87, the first interim working group session for the >

Re: [db-wg] email's disappeared from RDAP output

2024-01-09 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Ed, I do feel like there should be some way to opt out from receiving personal data and avoid rate limits. Would it maybe make sense to have an alternative RDAP service with rate limits at another "base URL"? (such as https://rdap-rl.db.ripe.net/[...] or whatever) This is assuming that it is

Re: [db-wg] geolocation purpose

2023-11-02 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
I agree with Peter. I assume the NCC legal team thinks this is what is needed to allow for geofeeds for /48s and such, and if so I am happy with that. -Cynthia On Thu, Nov 2, 2023 at 10:03 PM Peter Hessler via db-wg wrote: > > Hi Denis, > > That text seems fine to me. I think the key point is

Re: [db-wg] Impact Analysis for NWI-4: using the inetnum and status tuple as a primary key

2023-09-29 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Ed, I really appreciate the detailed impact analysis and there are some things in there that I hadn't considered before. Among those things is the effect on RDAP which for me honestly feels like a showstopper (especially in combination with the rest of the issues). I was initially for this

Re: [db-wg] Progress on NWI-4, assigning a whole allocation

2023-07-19 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
I think I still support this proposal if it would be realistic to implement without breaking too many things. Like what would the impact on RDAP be for example? I guess what I am saying is that I want to see a proper impact analysis before I can decide if I support it or not. -Cynthia On Wed,

Re: [db-wg] Route(6) objects

2023-07-10 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Look, you can never be certain that 100% of networks are going to accept your prefixes but for DDoS that shouldn't matter as others have pointed out. What I can say is please don't create 65536 route6 objects or otherwise I feel like we are going to have to start discussion about a policy to

Re: [db-wg] Agenda RIPE86 - Database Working Group

2023-05-14 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi William, I assume there has been a mistake here regarding the role of Maria? -Cynthia On Sun, 14 May 2023, 22:45 William Sylvester via db-wg, wrote: > Below is the agenda for the Database Working Group for RIPE86. If you > would like to present, have questions, comments, or requested

Re: [db-wg] NWI-14 Authenticating References to Objects

2023-05-11 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Ed, I still support this solution just as I was back in March 2022 and I would like to see it implemented. -Cynthia On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 2:38 PM Edward Shryane via db-wg wrote: > > Dear Colleagues, > > Following is an update for NWI-14, to protect references to objects in the > RIPE

Re: [db-wg] More specific INET6NUM for IPv6 PI

2023-03-30 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Tobias, There is a very good reason for why you probably don't want to use a /48 for more than one site and that is routing. You pretty much can't get anything more specific than a /48 into the DFZ and as most orgs using PI space probably don't have their own backbone networks it wouldn't

Re: [db-wg] country codes in the RIPE Database (was: ORGANISATION country code)

2023-03-02 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi db-wg, I just want to start out by saying that I support efforts to try to better understand and document this. What I don't (currently) support is changing DB policy (policy in the form of RIPE documents or policy enforced by the RIPE DB software), especially before we really know much about

Re: [db-wg] Set default maintainer on locked inetnum resources

2023-02-09 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Seems like a reasonable thing to do. However with anything that changes after such a long time I think you should notify all relevant admin contacts and maintainers a week or two in advance. This is just so they have a chance to object if it would be the wrong maintainer or whatever. Also make

Re: [db-wg] ORGANISATION country code

2023-01-12 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Ah, I guess I misunderstood you then. However I still don't really see this as an issue if it can help some orgs work around weird geoip providers. I still don't support this proposal, sorry. -Cynthia On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 11:31 AM denis walker wrote: > Hi Cynthia > > On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 at

Re: [db-wg] ORGANISATION country code

2023-01-10 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi denis, I have to say that I don't agree with you at all here. The current state of this is just the same as the org-name attribute which is user editable in organisations without co-maintained resources. It doesn't make sense to me to somehow give this country attribute more weight than the

Re: [db-wg] will NWI-19 break routing?

2022-11-30 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi denis, I am not sure if this feature is used or not however I think this is a very good reason to not go forward with a clean-up (at least until we have properly evaluated things). We will probably have to figure out some other way to deal with objects that are currently causing issues I

Re: [db-wg] proposal: disallow creation of new non-hierarchically named AS-SET objects

2022-11-29 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
I agree with Nick. However there are currently as-set objects in RIPE based on aut-num objects in RIPE-NONAUTH. I think it might be worth considering if these should be cleaned up. I posted about this about a week ago in a separate thread on db-wg. -Cynthia On Tue, Nov 29, 2022 at 7:30 PM Nick

Re: [db-wg] proposal: disallow creation of new non-hierarchically named AS-SET objects

2022-11-24 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
I have just been informed that AS-AMAZON in the RIPE DB is indeed causing issues for Amazon currently, so please disregard that question. -Cynthia On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 12:20 AM Cynthia Revström wrote: > > Based on what has been said in this thread so far, I cannot support > automatic

Re: [db-wg] proposal: disallow creation of new non-hierarchically named AS-SET objects

2022-11-24 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Based on what has been said in this thread so far, I cannot support automatic clean-up of AS-SETs even if they are empty. There is simply way too little to be gained compared to the issues it could cause. Also if there is someone who maliciously created a short AS-SET, they could simply just add

Re: [db-wg] proposal: disallow creation of new non-hierarchically named AS-SET objects

2022-11-19 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Denis, While I agree with your goal of trying to clean up the DB more generally, I think all of the more general issues have to be left for another time as I don't think that is appropriate for a NWI and should be done through the PDP. I think we should purely tackle the issue of as-sets for

[db-wg] Issue with authorization in hierarchical as-sets

2022-11-19 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi DB-WG, While looking into the discussion about requiring hierarchical as-sets I wanted to see if all current hierarchical as-sets were authorized by the ASN holders and I found two separate issues (in my opinion). I could find at least two cases of hierarchical as-sets that were likely

Re: [db-wg] proposal: disallow creation of new non-hierarchically named AS-SET objects

2022-11-14 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi, I am not going to outright support this proposal as I think that this is not really the way we should be dealing with it. The main reason for this is because I think it is quite pointless unless every common IRR database does it. (all RIRs + RADB, ALTDB, etc...). Also there is no way to

Re: [db-wg] NWI-10 Populating End User Organisation Country Attribute

2022-10-31 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Ed, I noticed that my personal org object got updated but I didn't get a notification email to the mnt-nfy email (on the maintainer that has mnt-by), was this intentional? If it was intentional it is not a huge issue, but I would prefer getting notifications for all edits (including this one).

Re: [db-wg] Agenda RIPE85 - Database Working Group

2022-10-10 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi William and Denis, Is Denis talking about the proposal as co-chair or as proposal author? If it is the latter then I think it would be good to clarify that. -Cynthia On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 7:23 PM William Sylvester via db-wg wrote: > > Below is the agenda for the Database Working Group

Re: [db-wg] geolocation and current purposes

2022-08-22 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
It is an optional attribute and as far as I know it is going to stay that way. -Cynthia On Mon, 22 Aug 2022, 10:13 Horváth Ágoston János via db-wg, wrote: > I, for one, with my regular internet user hat on, am strongly against any > form of geolocation and consider it an invasion of my

Re: [db-wg] NWI-13 Geofeed Legal Analysis

2022-07-28 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
I am not sure how you came to that conclusion, the way I read Maria's email didn't make me come to a conclusion anything like that. Maria said: > The RIPE Database is meant to contain specific information for the purposes > that are defined in the RIPE Database Terms and Conditions. The RIPE DB

Re: [db-wg] NWI-13 Geofeed Legal Analysis

2022-07-28 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
After having looked closer at Article 3 of the RIPE DB T[1], I have to agree with Denis and the legal team, geofeed doesn't really fit into any of those purposes. I should have done this earlier but I have to admit that I had never properly read the RIPE DB T before and it was quite dumb of me to

Re: [db-wg] NWI-13 Geofeed Legal Analysis

2022-07-28 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Denis, You raise some very good points and I agree with you that we should update the purposes and establish procedures for doing so. Also could someone explain to me how I should interpret Article 8.3, does that mean that the T can be altered by the Policy Development Process? Article 8.3:

Re: [db-wg] NWI-13 Geofeed Legal Analysis

2022-07-28 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Ronald, I do not think that this is the issue here and I think I probably agree with you and most others on the db-wg when it comes to geofeed. I think this is possibly at least in part a misunderstanding between the db-wg/db team and the ncc legal team. The purposes could change to include

Re: [db-wg] NWI-13 Geofeed Legal Analysis

2022-07-28 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
I think I agree with Randy here, geofeed is not really for research purposes but rather for content providers. -Cynthia On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 3:52 PM Randy Bush via db-wg wrote: > > > I don't think that is a reasonable conclusion to draw from what was > > said. > > to be honest, and maybe

Re: [db-wg] IRT object postal address

2022-07-20 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Ronald, Please see replies below. On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 4:52 AM Ronald F. Guilmette via db-wg wrote: > > In message > > denis walker wrote: > > >During the conversion we had some time ago about contacts we concluded that > >no one is going to visit a contact or post them a letter. > >

Re: [db-wg] New Version of the RIPE Database Documentation is Available

2022-07-19 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Oh wow, honestly not sure how I missed that, thanks! -Cynthia On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 5:47 PM Edward Shryane wrote: > > Hi Cynthia, > > > On 19 Jul 2022, at 02:25, Cynthia Revström wrote: > > > > The reasoning totally makes sense to me. > > > > Honestly just having a good central place with

Re: [db-wg] New Version of the RIPE Database Documentation is Available

2022-07-18 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
The reasoning totally makes sense to me. Honestly just having a good central place with links to documentation for the RIPE (NCC) services would solve the issue I had. -Cynthia On Mon, Jul 18, 2022, 09:39 Edward Shryane wrote: > Hi Cynthia, > > Thanks for your feedback, > > > On 15 Jul 2022,

Re: [db-wg] New Version of the RIPE Database Documentation is Available

2022-07-15 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
This looks great! I just have one small question, why did you choose to have it on apps.db.ripe.net instead of some more general RIPE (NCC) services documentation thing to have it all in one place? I think it was RIS or Atlas that I saw that have this same style of docs so to me it would make

Re: [db-wg] Non-RIPE INRs in an Example returned by RIPE Whois DB Query Service

2022-07-11 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
I don't think I really made any big comment so I am guessing it was that but if a /16 wasn't needed for demonstration purposes, I prefer using the documentation specific prefixes (as you mentioned) of course. -Cynthia On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 11:09 PM Edward Shryane via db-wg wrote: > > Hi

Re: [db-wg] Non-RIPE INRs in an Example returned by RIPE Whois DB Query Service

2022-07-09 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Sylvain, Is your issue simply with using 128.9.0.0/16 and 128.9.128.5/32 as examples rather than a prefix reserved for documentation or something like 192.168.0.0/16? (there is no /16 for documentation purposes afaik) It is a bit difficult for me to understand what you mean so please correct

Re: [db-wg] Fwd: 2022-01 personal data in the "descr:" attribute

2022-07-04 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi denis, I agree that this might be an issue (although personally I haven't looked into it) but I am not quite sure what we can do about it beyond just removing the field. Free form text fields are complicated and maybe it should be considered separately as I think we want to get a good picture

[db-wg] 2022-01 v2 Personal Data in the RIPE Database

2022-06-29 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi db-wg, I just want to say that I mostly support the current proposal of 2022-01 (v2). I would prefer it if the following section was reworded in some way to make it more clear how the full home address is never justified and how the default should be no address at all for individuals. Also I

Re: [db-wg] phone number required for person objects

2022-05-25 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Personally, I think that we should write e-mail into the policy as I do think requiring a policy change to change this is reasonable given how I don't see this changing in the foreseeable future. Sure it might be different in 10 years, but maybe we can be ok with needing to use the PDP if/when

Re: [db-wg] phone number required for person objects

2022-05-25 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi, On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 8:28 PM Leo Vegoda wrote: > > Hi, > > On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 10:04 AM Cynthia Revström wrote: > > > > I forgot to mention this > > > > > [...], why should we dictate what the mandatory technology is? > > > > I kinda agree with you here if you by "we" mean the db-wg,

Re: [db-wg] phone number required for person objects

2022-05-25 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
NCC Access account as far as I know. > > -Cynthia > > > On Wed, May 25, 2022, 18:38 Leo Vegoda wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 9:16 AM Cynthia Revström via db-wg >> wrote: >> > >> > Even if it could mean that email might also

Re: [db-wg] phone number required for person objects

2022-05-25 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
d, May 25, 2022 at 9:16 AM Cynthia Revström via db-wg > wrote: > > > > Even if it could mean that email might also be broken that is not > necessarily the case. > > Yes. > > > Many companies use cloud services for email so they might be completely > unaffected

Re: [db-wg] phone number required for person objects

2022-05-25 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Even if it could mean that email might also be broken that is not necessarily the case. Many companies use cloud services for email so they might be completely unaffected by their network issues. Also just because something is broken doesn't mean it's so broken email stops working. And of

Re: [db-wg] phone number required for person objects

2022-05-25 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
> > > On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 12:22:53PM +0200, Cynthia Revström via db-wg wrote: > > > TL;DR: stop requiring the "phone" attribute for person objects. > > > > > > This is something that I quickly brought up during the db-wg session > > > at RI

[db-wg] phone number required for person objects

2022-05-25 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi, TL;DR: stop requiring the "phone" attribute for person objects. This is something that I quickly brought up during the db-wg session at RIPE84 but thought would be good to bring up here as well. Currently you need to specify a phone number for person objects but not for role objects, which

Re: [db-wg] 2022-01 New Policy Proposal (Personal Data in the RIPE Database)

2022-05-25 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
; > personal) address. > > > > Having a simple rule like 'we don't publish names or addresses of > > natural persons' is easier to apply and less error prone. But we are > > turning the RIPE Database into more like a domain registry where lots > > of details are hidden

Re: [db-wg] Decision on NWI-2 Historical queries

2022-05-18 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
I can't think of a good reason to ever have history for attributes like descr and remarks. And I totally agree with Sebastian that just because the data might have been copied by others on the internet doesn't mean that the NCC should keep redistributing it. -Cynthia On Wed, May 18, 2022, 11:42

Re: [db-wg] 2022-01 New Policy Proposal (Personal Data in the RIPE Database)

2022-05-12 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi, I am generally in support of this policy, however I do wonder why publish legal names of individuals in the cases of natural persons holding resources? Like why can't it just be some alias and the real name needs to be requested from the RIPE NCC by court order or whatever would be required

Re: [db-wg] Decision on NWI-2 Historical queries

2022-04-16 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi, Sorry for the late reply, I didn't see that you had replied. The reason that I think the last deletion should be the cut-off point is that it feels quite natural, you deleted the object, it should no longer exist. Also given how a decent number of individuals now have resources from the NCC

Re: [db-wg] Decision on NWI-4 INETNUM status values

2022-04-04 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
I think the only thing that would really offer a proper solution here is to change the primary key to inetnum + status. (as mentioned in option 2 of Nick's email) Quite a few LIRs do lease out address space and some of them will probably be /24s that are leased out in their entirety. While there

Re: [db-wg] Decision on NWI-2 Historical queries

2022-04-04 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi, I am sorry for the delayed response but I object to removing that constraint. It feels problematic to me from a privacy perspective, and it feels like the last deletion point is a fair balance between providing useful info and not providing too much info. I don't think this restriction

Re: [db-wg] Protecting References to Objects in the RIPE Database

2022-03-28 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Ed, I might be misunderstanding but mnt-ref on mntners sounds like a catch 22. If mnt-ref would only be needed for mnt-by and any other references to mntners except mnt-ref I suppose it would be fine. But generally speaking here I think I support it for the object types excluding mntners but

Re: [db-wg] geofeed issue: can't add geofeed attribute to PI /48

2022-02-24 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Sasha, I think you have partially understood it but also just the NCC's side. I think both myself and others have argued basically the same thing you are arguing here but in slightly different words. I have talked about how it makes no sense to not be able to publish a geofeed url for a

Re: [db-wg] geofeed issue: can't add geofeed attribute to PI /48

2022-02-22 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
> The RIPE NCC are creating /24 top-level allocations, but this size could also > be used as a single (second level) assignment. However, we don't have a way > (yet, see NWI-4) to distinguish between an allocation and assignment of the > same size. Geofeed is allowed on a top-level resource but

Re: [db-wg] Clear up of old issues - Whiepages

2022-02-22 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Oh right I forgot to add: > Why is it important to know what objects are protected from deletion? If it is not referenced by any resource object (directly or indirectly) and it is still in the DB in 3 months time, it is protected. It is just because you will not know if it is protected until it

Re: [db-wg] Clear up of old issues - Whiepages

2022-02-22 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
> Just a side point for people to think about, should the NCC only offer to protect ROLE objects that do not contain personal data? I do not think so, I still want to keep the functionality of whitepages, I only agree with removing duplicate implementations of it. I know that both me and several

Re: [db-wg] Clear up of old issues - Whiepages

2022-02-21 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Denis, While I kinda support this, I also like how the whitepages feature allows you to easily see if an object was protected from deletion or not. Would it be possible to add some kind of extra data in the whois response for protected objects? (like the data about abuse email when you query

Re: [db-wg] geofeed issue: can't add geofeed attribute to PI /48

2022-02-21 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi, My opinions on this can probably be summed up with me pretty much entirely agreeing with Job, Randy, and mostly with Gert. With regards to Gert's reply I would just like to say that I think trying to decide who is and isn't a legal entity is something really complicated and last I checked

Re: [db-wg] geofeed issue: can't add geofeed attribute to PI /48

2022-01-06 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
+1 This seems like legal might have forgotten that end user could mean a legal entity (and probably does in far more cases than not). Also I don't get why the geofeed attribute would not be acceptable, when you can add an admin-c attribute with the individual end-users name, address, and phone

Re: [db-wg] geofeed issue: can't add geofeed attribute to PI /48

2022-01-03 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
This seems weird, I would assume it should be greater than 48, not greater than or equal to 48. Ed, can you confirm if this is intended or not? Also I agree with Peter Hessler, you should always be able to add a geofeed attribute to all blocks assigned/allocated by the NCC. And to not make it a

Re: [db-wg] Bogon route object cleanup

2021-10-08 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
I also want to add that I don't personally see any real issue with keeping the route objects for a /24 that's either going to be used for a deprecated purpose or not used at all. This is in contrast to the potential issues that could arise from removing route objects that were used. I think the

Re: [db-wg] Bogon route object cleanup

2021-10-08 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
I think the best option here would simply be to ask IANA (possibly through the NRO) how these prefixes should be handled as I don't think we are necessarily the correct people to answer these questions. -Cynthia On Fri, Oct 8, 2021, 12:01 Gert Doering via db-wg wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Oct 06,

Re: [db-wg] RIPE Database Planning Q4 2021

2021-09-30 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Ed, This looks great, and this kind of transparency seems like a really good idea. -Cynthia P.S. I did note that the thing about geofeeds is linking to an old draft still, however it has now been published as RFC9092. On Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 16:24 Edward Shryane via db-wg wrote: > Dear

Re: [db-wg] Reminder: RIPE Database Requirements Task Force – Draft Report Published

2021-09-29 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Bijal, > Regarding data minimisation, the question of “data inheritance” is interesting but probably out of scope for this document. Why is this out of scope? I would personally consider this an essential part when talking about data minimisation and not something you can just ignore. I have

Re: [db-wg] Cosmetic changes to the RIPE Database

2021-09-19 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi, I would prefer option 3 but option 2 is also fine imo. -Cynthia On Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 17:28 denis walker via db-wg wrote: > Colleagues > > We had one comment on this. Does anyone else have an opinion? > > cheers > denis > co-chair DB-Wg > > On Mon, 6 Sept 2021 at 15:19, denis walker

Re: [db-wg] Bogon cleanup -- Current anomalies

2021-07-24 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
I just want to add a +1 for what Nick is saying here. Also, it was terminated according to IANA over 6 years ago, so it is not really a recent depreciation. -Cynthia On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 5:54 PM Nick Hilliard via db-wg wrote: > Gert Doering via db-wg wrote on 23/07/2021 14:54: > > While

Re: [db-wg] IPv6 transition mechanism prefixes (Was: Bogon cleanup -- Current anomalies)

2021-07-21 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
oops, I replied about this to the previous thread, didn't realize it had split. https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/db-wg/2021-July/007118.html -Cynthia On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 12:08 AM Job Snijders via db-wg wrote: > Hello db group, > > On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 10:11:46PM +0200, Edward

Re: [db-wg] Bogon cleanup -- Current anomalies

2021-07-21 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi, > (To Ronald and the list) Should we add other sources of bogon prefixes (e.g. RFC 3068) to the implementation? With regards to that specific prefix I feel like that should absolutely be added given that it was also deprecated and terminated in the IANA registry in 2015. With regards to

Re: [db-wg] consensus on AS23456

2021-07-13 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Ed, Thank you for the quick change :) -Cynthia On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 10:03 AM Edward Shryane via db-wg wrote: > Hi Denis, Colleagues, > > I've added AS23456 as a reserved AS number to Whois. > > It's no longer possible to create a route(6) object with origin: AS23456, > now an error will

Re: [db-wg] Further cleanup (was: RIPE NONAUTH route(6) objects

2021-07-12 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Ronald, > Do dues-paying members want to be underwriting the use of bogon ASNs by members whose ASN registrations have lapased due to non-payment of relevant annual fees? I feel like that is not what we are trying to discuss here and is outside our scope, maybe in the scope of AP-WG. (I don't

Re: [db-wg] Further cleanup (was: RIPE NONAUTH route(6) objects using unregistered space cleanup - deployment *today*)

2021-07-08 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Hank, As Ed mentioned earlier in the thread all of those except AS23456 are already blocked. -Cynthia On Thu, Jul 8, 2021, 08:14 Hank Nussbacher via db-wg wrote: > On 08/07/2021 00:29, Nick Hilliard via db-wg wrote: > > Edward Shryane via db-wg wrote on 07/07/2021 15:05: > >> So 23456

Re: [db-wg] blocking '23456' as value for the origin attribubte in route/route6 objects?

2021-07-07 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Job, I just replied to the previous thread regarding this so I have reposted it below (summary: +1/LGTM) I think that AS23456 should be excluded as I can't think of any good reason for having such a route object and seemingly no one else either as there are none currently.

Re: [db-wg] Further cleanup (was: RIPE NONAUTH route(6) objects using unregistered space cleanup - deployment *today*)

2021-07-07 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Ed, I think that AS23456 should be excluded as I can't think of any good reason for having such a route object and seemingly no one else either as there are none currently. https://apps.db.ripe.net/db-web-ui/query?bflag=false=false=origin=true=AS23456=RIPE So assuming that I didn't mess up

Re: [db-wg] RIPE NONAUTH route(6) objects using unregistered space cleanup - deployment *today*

2021-06-30 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Ed, Thanks for the data, based on this I will stand by my opinion that there should be no action taken here currently. This opinion is also mainly based on the fact that it is not validated in the RIPE database. I am not sure if this is right or not, but I think it should probably not be

Re: [db-wg] RIPE NONAUTH route(6) objects using unregistered space cleanup - deployment *today*

2021-06-29 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Ed, Thanks for implementing this :) I mainly wanted to give my initial take on the AS origin status part which is in short: I don't think we should clean up based on origin AS. This is as you do not need any technical authorization from the AS holder to create a route(6) object. Additionally,

Re: [db-wg] Removal of bogon route objects

2021-06-10 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Ronald, Could I request that you provide a pastebin of the actual list of prefixes that you think are at issue here? -Cynthia On Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 21:43 Ronald F. Guilmette via db-wg wrote: > Friends, > > As previously discussed, the decision was made awhile back to remove from > the data

Re: [db-wg] NWI-4 - role of status: field in multivalued status context - reprise

2021-06-08 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi, I would just like to say that I would also like this to be implemented if the DB team determines it to be feasible. :) -Cynthia On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 1:31 PM Edward Shryane via db-wg wrote: > Hi Carsten, > > The DB team will create a proof of concept to see if this is feasible, and > I

Re: [db-wg] Cleanup of route(6) objects in the RIPE NONAUTH database using unregistered space

2021-05-07 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
For what it's worth, this still has my support. -Cynthia On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 12:56 PM denis walker wrote: > > HI Ed > > As no one has objected I think we can assume you can go ahead with this plan. > > cheers > denis > co-chair DB-WG > > On Fri, 7 May 2021 at 09:20, Edward Shryane wrote: >

Re: [db-wg] New NWI for geofeed?

2021-05-05 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Ed, This looks good to me :) -Cynthia On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 10:36 PM Edward Shryane via db-wg wrote: > > Hello Denis, Colleagues, > > Following is the impact analysis for the implementation of the "geofeed:" > attribute in the RIPE database, based on the problem statement below and the >

[db-wg] RIPE DB Website template update

2021-05-04 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Ed and WG, I am sorry for not looking at this during it's time in RC, but I have some comments on the new website templates. I very much appreciate trying to do a more responsive design, to support mobile and other non-landscape screen layouts etc. (I have actually needed to use the hosted

Re: [db-wg] RIPE Database - Historical Information

2021-04-14 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Carlos, > However, in attributes where professional contact data is supposed to be, > there shouldn't be any kind of filtering. Just reading this makes me think a bit. Why would anyone need historical contact information? And how do those needs exceed the trade off with potentially having

Re: [db-wg] RIPE Database - Historical Information

2021-04-14 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Bijal, I do not believe more data than is currently available should be made available. I suppose trying to filter fields that shouldn't contain personal data could be a good idea but I am not sure how practical that would be. If you remove all free text attributes other than org-name I

Re: [db-wg] RIPE Database - Legal Address

2021-04-14 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Bijal, I am strongly against this recommendation and see the "cost" as being extremely high for the "benefit". There are quite a few issues and potential issues I can see here, with seemingly quite little in terms of benefits. You note this potential benefit: > This will clarify which

Re: [db-wg] Role of RIPE NCC in geofeed, abuse-c checks, etc

2021-04-07 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
gzip compression. So, basically, > completion of a data exchange. > > Probably in the spirit of what you meant. As long as thats what "200" > means, I'd be fine! > > cheers > > -G > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 8:42 AM Cynthia Revström via db-wg > wrote: >

Re: [db-wg] Role of RIPE NCC in geofeed, abuse-c checks, etc

2021-04-07 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
e in itself its worth doing. Checking the integrity of what > they say goes beyond the role of a steerage/directory function. > > (my opinion) > > cheers > > -G > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 8:19 AM Cynthia Revström via db-wg > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > &

Re: [db-wg] Role of RIPE NCC in geofeed, abuse-c checks, etc

2021-04-07 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi, I just wanted to clarify my stance on validation a bit more. I am totally against trying to validate the data itself, that is not what the NCC is supposed to do. Validating the format of the CSV might be okay but honestly anything beyond validating that it is not a 404 not found is a bit too

Re: [db-wg] Role of RIPE NCC in geofeed, abuse-c checks, etc

2021-04-07 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
it is their job to > do this for the good of the internet. > > cheers > denis > co-chair DB-WG > > > On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 at 19:50, Job Snijders wrote: > > > > Thanks for the extensive note Denis, thanks Cynthia for being > > first-responder. I wa

Re: [db-wg] New NWI for geofeed?

2021-04-06 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
specific subthread. > > On Tue, Apr 06, 2021 at 06:38:29PM +0200, Cynthia Revström via db-wg wrote: > > > Questions: > > > > > -Should the database software do any checks on the > > > existence/reachability of the url as part of the update with

Re: [db-wg] New NWI for geofeed?

2021-04-06 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Denis, I have CCed Randy Bush as I thought he might be able to clarify what was meant by the following: > To minimize the load on RIR whois [RFC3912] services, use of the > RIR's FTP [RFC0959] services SHOULD be the preferred access. This > also provides bulk access instead of fetching with a

Re: [db-wg] Comments on RIPE Database requirements progress

2021-04-01 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi, I will be honest I wasn't even aware of the TF's existence until quite recently and just looking at the PDF that denis linked, I have some questions... > While the RIPE Database Working Group and the RIPE NCC are able to solve a > lot of the operational issues, a high-level approach was

Re: [db-wg] db-wg Digest, Vol 113, Issue 1

2021-03-25 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi, I think this thread got stalled last time by getting outside the scope of the db-wg. There was more talk of if Geofeed is good or bad etc, but really the question for the db-wg is the following... > geofeed: or > remarks: Geofeed And if we limit it to that question, and realize that the

Re: [db-wg] Time for new Announcements?

2021-03-13 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Marcel, I just want to start out by saying that the working groups are not a support channel and this more routing than anything db related. But with regards to your case, according to ripestat the prefixes are announced by 2 ASNs but overall have 100% visibility (99% for the v6). I am

Re: [db-wg] Webupdates UI bug?

2021-03-11 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Edward, I can confirm that this appears to be fixed, thanks :) -Cynthia On Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 14:34 Edward Shryane wrote: > Hi Cynthia, > > > On 20 Jan 2021, at 17:45, Cynthia Revström wrote: > > > > Thanks for the quick response as always :) > > > > -Cynthia > > > > We have now fixed

Re: [db-wg] Forcing two-factor authentication for maintainer

2021-03-01 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Antti, I don't believe there currently is a way, but it sounds like a good idea to me. -Cynthia On Mon, Mar 1, 2021, 08:44 Antti Ristimäki via db-wg wrote: > Hi list, > > Is it possible or could it be possible to force two-factor authentication > for RIPE Access SSO accounts that are being

Re: [db-wg] Deprecation of whitepages

2021-02-01 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Hi Robert, Thank you for the information, is it just anchor hosts or also probe hosts out of interest? Personally I don't think this is an issue as long as the DB team has something to document all other use cases of the handles within the other parts of the RIPE NCC or RIPE. I think not

Re: [db-wg] Deprecation of whitepages

2021-01-29 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
While the whitepages org type system might be a bit odd, I see the need for some way to explicitly say "I don't want my handle to be cleaned up", for Atlas and anything else that might rely upon it. If there is a current system for this that is not whitepages (as Ed seems to suggest), I would

Re: [db-wg] Webupdates UI bug?

2021-01-20 Thread Cynthia Revström via db-wg
Thanks for the quick response as always :) -Cynthia On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 2:50 PM Edward Shryane wrote: > Hi Cynthia, > > > On 20 Jan 2021, at 14:30, Cynthia Revström via db-wg > wrote: > > > > Hi DB-WG, > > > > When creating a new object via

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