Re: No Unicode Feather?

Please, no. Emoji are a giant embarrassment to the UTC. Does the ASF really want to lump itself in with the people demanding characters for 'poop'? But if you insist, I can send you the process. On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 7:52 PM, Christopher wrote: > This is a somewhat

Re: SHA512 by default for GPG sigs

Greg, the proposal is for the _Default ASF POM_ to be set up so that _all_ projects would use SHA-512. This is not a question for the Maven PMC. On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Greg Trasuk wrote: > > Hi Christopher: > > Thanks for your involvement. Apache Maven is one

Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community

It won't be a community if people are unable to follow the discussions. I think that it would be fine to handle user@ traffic in whatever language, but we need to enforce English as the language of community decision making. On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Roman Shaposhnik

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

The legal status of a work is not determined by the markings on it. If someone granted a license to the ASF, they granted a license. If a third party jumps the gun and grabs a copy, and complies with the situation, they're fine, including ripping out the obsolete markings for themselves. On Tue,

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: Coming in late. A snapshot is not a release. Licenses kick in at distribution/ release. Are you sure? When you have a public source control repo, with a LICENSE file at the top, I would think that this counts as a legal

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: Coming in late. A snapshot is not a release. Licenses kick

Re: slack

I think it's important to recognize how the board and the foundation have handled this issue over time. The absolute requirement is open decision-making. Avoiding real-time communications avoids many possible failures of open decision-making. (Not, of course, all.) After all, the simplest

Mysterious email reflector

Is everyone else seeing endless copies reflected from line0928769...@gmail.com?

Re: slack

On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: (top post) So, I pinged the nice folks at Slack (and they really are nice!, or at least the guy I communicated with), and asked them about: * open source: No. * the issue of uncaptured conversations, as Ted D.

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Gregory Chase gch...@pivotal.io wrote: Does ...based on Apache Hadoop require a clear dependency notation as to which versions of Apache component releases are part of the commercial distribution? No, it cannot. Trademark law is not a matter of such

Re: Incubating, Graduating Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

This thread started with a discussion of the CoC. The premise of the thread was this: that counter-CoC behavior might emerge on a project, and that the project might tolerate, or even celebrate, that behavior, for lack of an explicit bylaw explicitly adopting the CoC. This premise is wrong. The

Re: Incubating, Graduating Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)

Writing as someone who has mentored a squad of podlings, I do not believe that there is any requirement for any project to ever adopt any bylaws at all. I was never involved where the board ask for bylaws, and I'm faintly curious as to how that ever came to pass. The normal process is for podlings

Re: Veto! Veto?

On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote: On 03/24/2015 06:43 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: Shouldn't the sentence 'Any veto must be accompanied by reasoning and be prepared to defend it. Other members can attempt to encourage them to change.' then be removed

Re: Veto! Veto?

I'd like to suggest backing up from the point where Alex was commenting. It is an Apache goal to build broad communities, not to build homogeneous groups. That includes PMC as well as committers. To me, this suggests that the community-building starts when the person shows up. Hypothetical: a

Re: Apache Way talks

On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 2:38 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: On 14 February 2015 at 20:03, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote: Louis, for independent data see http://openlife.cc/blogs/2010/november/how-grow-your-open-source-project-10x-and-revenues-5x This isn't

Re: Mailinglists - a tool from the 90s?

The Apache Software Foundation has a requirement of open, public, decision-making. The short-hand implication of those requirements is that 'discussions that lead to decisions are made on mailing lists.' Closely related is the requirement that important functions take place on ASF infrastructure.

Re: Mailinglists - a tool from the 90s?

With respect to search: There's an ASF project, some of you might have heard of it, and, rumor has it, they build a pretty good full-text search engine. So, instead of complaining about the quality of MarkMail, perhaps we could address this end of things by looking into more sophisticated use of,

Some maturity model comments

CD40: perhaps change 'previous version' to 'released version' CD50: the committer is not necessarily the author; someone might read this and not understand what it implies for committers committing contributions via all of the channels allowed for by the AL. One patch would be 'immediate

Re: ApacheCon community panel

It might be more interesting to skip Cordova altogether. The industry is full of ferment about CD. If everyone checks their rhetoric at the door, there could be an interesting conversation about how to mesh the ideas of CD and the ideals of the ASF. On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Jim Jagielski

Re: ApacheCon community panel

I don't see how you can anticipate anything productive, given the number of board members who think that the concept is evil, or, at least, counter to their vision of the Apache Way. On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote: On 03/10/2014 02:36 PM, Nick Burch wrote:

Re: How can we support a faster release cadence?

This conversation goes in a circle. I see two positions: 1: Cadence releases are inevitably incompatible with Apache community values. 2: Cadence releases are not inevitably incompatible with Apache community values. People who take the first position see this desire to use cadence as weakening

Re: How can we support a faster release cadence?

a cadence _within the rules as we know them today_, and stay healthy. Stephen has proposed that experiment to the Maven PMC of which he is the chair, and if it goes well, we'll make a proposal to take further steps. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 13, 2014, at 7:58 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul

Re: How can we support a faster release cadence?

Could I suggest a focus on making the release process easier? That will benefit everybody, and serve as a platform for ongoing discussion about releases and cadences. It seems to me that we could make voters' jobs easier. This would help get releases approved _in 72 hours_, to start with. We ask

Re: How can we support a faster release cadence?

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: On Feb 10, 2014, at 6:50 AM, Rob Vesse rve...@dotnetrdf.org wrote: With a large enough PMC likely there will be enough active people to obtain the necessary +1's in the 12hr window regardless of a few people being

Re: How can we support a faster release cadence?

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: On Feb 10, 2014, at 8:48 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: In other words, an automated process can still allow for completely inclusive participation. I never said that it couldn't. I just wanted

Re: How can we support a faster release cadence?

What I see here is a disagreement about the meaning of the Apache brand. Some people feel that the Apache brand should always imply a particular style of project. Other people in the past have written at length that the ASF should be a big tent that accommodates many styles of project. There are

Re: First draft of slides for ApacheCon

the wrong accent is definitely a typo. thanks. On Feb 17, 2013, at 7:47 AM, Hervé BOUTEMY herve.bout...@free.fr wrote: Le dimanche 17 février 2013 06:55:21 Benson Margulies a écrit : On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 6:37 AM, Hervé BOUTEMY herve.bout...@free.fr wrote: slide 5: french typo chacun à

Re: Anyone able to give the Can I depend on Software built By Volunteers? talk in Portland?

Are there some, well, slides? On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea hzbar...@gmail.com wrote: @All, thanks for the pointers. @Benson, will do, enjoy vacation. Hadrian On 02/13/2013 07:29 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: Hadrian, I'm going to be on vacation next week. On the other

First draft of slides for ApacheCon

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1XSqXy9rz-RDcE-P2cK7dEmyjGGHvK8--mR4k_E-qAL4/edit?usp=sharing I've made my first pass at the slides for the talk I'm giving on the incubator in Portland. If anyone is really allergic to Google Docs, I can export it and put it somewhere otherwise accessible.

Re: Anyone able to give the Can I depend on Software built By Volunteers? talk in Portland?

, please excuse mistakes and brevity On 16 Feb 2013 18:00, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Are there some, well, slides? On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea hzbar...@gmail.com wrote: @All, thanks for the pointers. @Benson, will do, enjoy vacation. Hadrian

Re: Anyone able to give the Can I depend on Software built By Volunteers? talk in Portland?

Hadrian, I'm going to be on vacation next week. On the other hand, the time slot is on Thursday AM. So I'd propose tuning this up over beer on site. --benson On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din nour.moham...@gmail.com wrote: Hi On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 12:23 AM, Ross

Re: Project Culture and Commit Rights

On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Thomas Koch tho...@koch.ro wrote: Benson Margulies: Anyone can read http://www.apache.org/dev/open-access-svn.html to see a summary of the central idea that started this discussion: that the default authorization scheme for Subversion at Apache should

Project Culture and Commit Rights

Over the last several weeks, there has been a length discussion amongst Apache Foundation members about how the Foundation manages access to source control, with a focus on Subversion. Anyone can read http://www.apache.org/dev/open-access-svn.html to see a summary of the central idea that started

Re: Project Culture and Commit Rights

ICLAs are still an absolute requirement. So, imagine an Apache project with a policy like: Commit rights are granted on request to people with an Apache ICLA on file ... On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Benson Margulies

Re: Some clarification needed for Apache Extra projects - Apache Extra in specific

Perhaps I can help here. The root of all this, as I understand it, is an optional dependency. There is, of course, code that depends on the optional dependency. However, no one has mentioned any *source* code that is under an incompatible license, such as modified sources of an LGPL component.

Why no list of the comdev PMC itself on the comdev page?

Any particular reason why the comdev web page doesn't include a list of the comdev PMC members, as any other PMC's page would?

Re: Why no list of the comdev PMC itself on the comdev page?

a mobile device - forgive errors and terseness On Aug 21, 2012 2:47 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Any particular reason why the comdev web page doesn't include a list of the comdev PMC

Re: Why no list of the comdev PMC itself on the comdev page?

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 21 August 2012 17:02, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Further to Bertrand comment it's not the PMC

Re: Why no list of the comdev PMC itself on the comdev page?

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 21 August 2012 17:23, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 21 August 2012 17:02, Benson Margulies bimargul

project supervision

A recent thread on legal-discuss drifted off into a discussion of a project pathology that some thought was part of the historical record of the Maven project. As a fairly recent addition to the Maven PMC, I've been trying to get some historical sense of the project so as to better understand the

Re: Apache Extras Question

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Benson, You honed in on PRECISELY the 2 points I was trying to make. Thanks for making them so succinctly. One thing I will comment on explicitly (read below): On Dec 30, 2011, at 7:52 AM, Benson

SEO example problem

https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=52235 Has anyone a clue as to how to attack the above?

SEO

Could the comdev PMC provide some assistance with basic SEO for Apache projects? Every so often, I type in a google query, and am stunned at the extent to which the Official Apache Web Site for an Apache project fails to show up anywhere on the first page.

Re: SEO

On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 13 November 2011 11:22, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Could the comdev PMC provide some assistance with basic SEO for Apache projects? If you are willing to do this, then yes ;-) Unfortunately

Re: SEO

: On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 13 November 2011 11:22, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Could the comdev PMC provide some assistance with basic SEO

Re: GSoC Temporary commit access accounts

Personally I feel that GSoC students should earn commit access just like anyone else. I have a lot of sympathy for Greg's position. Treating 'committer' as a single monolithic category drives people away. A typical problem case is someone who sets out to undertake a big, complex,

Re: GSoC Temporary commit access accounts

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 21 July 2011 21:55, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Personally I feel that GSoC students should earn commit access just like anyone else. I have a lot of sympathy for Greg's position. Treating

Re: Apache project guidelines docs += independence?

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote: Benson Margulies wrote: There are some minor English language issues, like agreement in number. Sean, do you want edits? or, dear, s/sean/shane/. Naughty Iphone! I'm not sure if Sean wants edits, since I don't know

Re: Apache project guidelines docs += independence?

There are some minor English language issues, like agreement in number. Sean, do you want edits? On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: +! reads well and clarifies some useful points we often take for granted. Upayavira On Mon, 16 May 2011 12:58 -0400, Michael

Stackoverflow

No discussion at the ASF is complete until we have had it twice. A month or so ago, there was a lengthy thread about stackoverflow.com on members@. It rather dribbled out. Recently, someone re-stirred that pot, and Nick Burch recommended taking it over here rather than fill all the members@

Re: StackOverflow

I think that the problem of 'committer shows up as 'rep=1' is not a big problem. The existing moderation circus on SO seems to work reasonably well, and it isn't tag-specific. If committers show up and answer questions, they'll get upvotes, and eventually acquire privileges. I can't predict how

Re: Stackoverflow

In my opinion, it's completely wrong-headed to imagine that there's any barrier to any PMC choosing to open a simple beachhead on SO and posting a link like http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/caliper on their web presence. The arguments here are reasons why a PMC might choose to put more

Re: Stackoverflow

:54 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: The QA format, in my opinion, is a very powerful tool for some kinds of collaborative assistance, and a completely useless tool for others. It's much easier to find a question with answers than to find a mailing list thread. It's on the other hand pretty silly

The theory of retreats

I'm a little puzzled by the retreats. On the one hand, the members and incubator lists have a constant stream of commentary of one snarkiness or another about our focus on individuals, rather than corporations. Then we have the retreats, which to me seem to select people with very strong corporate

Re: The theory of retreats

Well, thing #1, I missed the weekend aspect. So I'm effectively 50% nuts. I mean 'selection' in the 'self-selection' sense of the term. I confess that I don't have a suggestion. I wish I'd started by asking about who turns up. A few days ago, we had a load of anti-corporate messages on the

Re: Recognizing non-{code,docs,bits} contributors

I may be speaking out of turn, but why not elect them directly to the PMC? If they make a giant non-coding contribution, they belong on the committee even if they aren't committers. Of course, you could avoid any unhappy reactions to this by electing them as committers (a la ted) first and then

Re: Consensus process

I've asked for a login on the blog site. On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 3:52 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote: Excellent, thank you. Sent from my mobile device. On 20 Sep 2010, at 23:02, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

Feh. Another screed about raising children from someone who has, apparently, never met one. Every parent I know has had the same experience: hand some infant female a truck, and she rejects it. I'm carefully choosing my words to avoid claiming that this is universal, as opposed to extremely

Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice

apply to us: we deal with adults. No argument with that. Though there are some days on members@ where I feel like someone needs to hand out juice and cookies. - Original Message From: Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com To: dev@community.apache.org Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010

Re: Reviewing the evaluation process

I've been holding off on wading into this, but I think that some sort of an idea has jelled. I wonder about Google's statement of the mission. If Google's statement of the mission is: Get smart students involved in open source, then we have one situation. If, on the other hand, it is more like

MentoringProgramming confluence page

I just submitted my first set of edits here. I adopted a fairly high-handed attitude of rewriting to improve clarity -- according to my ideas of clarity. If you all find it to be a train wreck just roll it back and tell me what you don't like, and I'll try again. I did have some questions that