I have opened the Jira ticket:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-23935
I have also prepared PRs to update all occurrences of
"incubator-nuttx" to "nuttx" in the three repositories. Please *DO
NOT* merge them until after the repositories have been renamed!!!
https://github.com/apache/in
+1, too
Sébastien
Le 22/11/2022 à 14:30, Nathan Hartman a écrit :
After hearing back from Infra about the repository naming convention,
all the recent feedback has been to stay with the default and just
remove "incubator-" from our repo names, giving:
https://github.com/apache/nuttx
https://gi
+1
Em ter., 22 de nov. de 2022 às 10:30, Nathan Hartman
escreveu:
>
> After hearing back from Infra about the repository naming convention,
> all the recent feedback has been to stay with the default and just
> remove "incubator-" from our repo names, giving:
>
> https://github.com/apache/nuttx
>
+1
вт, 22 лист. 2022 р. о 16:35 Gregory Nutt пише:
> +1 Let's do it!
>
> On 11/22/2022 7:30 AM, Nathan Hartman wrote:
> > After hearing back from Infra about the repository naming convention,
> > all the recent feedback has been to stay with the default and just
> > remove "incubator-" from our
+1 Let's do it!
On 11/22/2022 7:30 AM, Nathan Hartman wrote:
After hearing back from Infra about the repository naming convention,
all the recent feedback has been to stay with the default and just
remove "incubator-" from our repo names, giving:
https://github.com/apache/nuttx
https://github.c
+1
>-Original Message-
>From: Nathan Hartman
>Sent: 22 November 2022 13:30
>To: dev@nuttx.apache.org
>Subject: Re: New names of repositories
>
>After hearing back from Infra about the repository naming convention, all the
>recent feedback has been to stay with the
+1 :-)
--
CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info
Ok!
+1
On 11/22/22, Nathan Hartman wrote:
> After hearing back from Infra about the repository naming convention,
> all the recent feedback has been to stay with the default and just
> remove "incubator-" from our repo names, giving:
>
> https://github.com/apache/nuttx
> https://github.com/apach
Ok from me
//Alin
-Original Message-
From: Nathan Hartman
Sent: den 22 november 2022 14:30
To: dev@nuttx.apache.org
Subject: Re: New names of repositories
After hearing back from Infra about the repository naming convention, all the
recent feedback has been to stay with the default
After hearing back from Infra about the repository naming convention,
all the recent feedback has been to stay with the default and just
remove "incubator-" from our repo names, giving:
https://github.com/apache/nuttx
https://github.com/apache/nuttx-apps
Shall I go ahead and open the Jira ticket
Hi,
Also voting to let as-is
One more reason to keep the OS code under the "nuttx" name without some
sort of suffix: this is the main name of the project, and has been for
years.
When you want to clone this repo from a command line, you dont want to
go check on github if this is nuttx-core
+1 let is as it is :)
On Sun, 20 Nov 2022, 20:23 Tomek CEDRO, wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 8:20 PM Gregory Nutt wrote:
> >
> > On 11/20/2022 1:18 PM, Tim Hardisty wrote:
> > > Might I humbly suggest that "if it isn't broken, don't fix it"?
> > >
> > > Just stick with the names already in use
On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 8:20 PM Gregory Nutt wrote:
>
> On 11/20/2022 1:18 PM, Tim Hardisty wrote:
> > Might I humbly suggest that "if it isn't broken, don't fix it"?
> >
> > Just stick with the names already in use (minus the incubator, as will
> > happen anyway). Just tried searching the Apache
On 11/20/2022 1:18 PM, Tim Hardisty wrote:
Might I humbly suggest that "if it isn't broken, don't fix it"?
Just stick with the names already in use (minus the incubator, as will happen anyway).
Just tried searching the Apache website for "RTOS" and NuttX is top of the
list; searching the Apach
On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 8:02 PM Nathan Hartman wrote:
> Okay, I did that, and I have received responses from Infra that are
> quite helpful:
>
> (1) Infra requires repos to be named ${project}-${reponame} because of
> technical reasons related to LDAP. (This was not previously documented,
> but a n
Might I humbly suggest that "if it isn't broken, don't fix it"?
Just stick with the names already in use (minus the incubator, as will happen
anyway). Just tried searching the Apache website for "RTOS" and NuttX is top of
the list; searching the Apache GitHub repositories similarly and NuttX is
On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 9:46 AM Gregory Nutt wrote:
> Could we simplify the options before a vote be discussing the
> possibilities that you have listed with INFRA?
Okay, I did that, and I have received responses from Infra that are
quite helpful:
(1) Infra requires repos to be named ${project}-
On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 9:46 AM Gregory Nutt wrote:
>
> On 11/20/2022 6:21 AM, Nathan Hartman wrote:
> > ...
> > Are we ready to call a [VOTE] thread or does anyone have more
> > input/arguments/suggestions?
> > ...
>
> Good job, Nathan. I think you have summarized the options and issues well.
>
On 11/20/2022 6:21 AM, Nathan Hartman wrote:
...
Are we ready to call a [VOTE] thread or does anyone have more
input/arguments/suggestions?
...
Good job, Nathan. I think you have summarized the options and issues well.
Could we simplify the options before a vote be discussing the
possibiliti
The discussion has two aspects: (1) delimiter, and (2) name for the main repo.
I studied all the feedback from this thread and found that there were
5 suggested delimiter styles:
* hyphen (e.g., nuttx-apps)
* underscore (e.g., nuttx_apps)
* subdirectory (e.g., nuttx/rtos, nuttx/apps)
* none (e.g.
+1 for nuttx and nuttx-apps
V čet., 17. nov. 2022 22:47 je oseba Nathan Hartman <
hartman.nat...@gmail.com> napisala:
> Hi all,
>
> As mentioned in the other thread, the repos need to be renamed to
> remove "incubating".
>
> In the discussion from a few months ago [1] several reasons were given
>
y for my tentative idea!
>
>
> BR,
>
>
>
> ---Original---
> From: "Gregory Nutt" Date: Sat, Nov 19, 2022 08:26 AM
> To: "dev" Subject: Re: New names of repositories
>
>
> > Isn't it possible to merge the nuttx and apps into only one
&
dev@nuttx.apache.org Subject: Re: New names of repositories On Sat, Nov 19,
2022 at 10:26 AM Gregory Nutt wrote:> On 11/19/2022 9:02
AM, Tomek CEDRO wrote:> > On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 3:53 PM Thiago Costa de Paiva
wrote:> >> From these, the valid argument is that it would be non-stan
On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 10:26 AM Gregory Nutt wrote:
> On 11/19/2022 9:02 AM, Tomek CEDRO wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 3:53 PM Thiago Costa de Paiva wrote:
> >> From these, the valid argument is that it would be non-standard (not a
> top level name) related to Appache rules, which I think
+1
Em sex., 18 de nov. de 2022 às 14:01, Sebastien Lorquet
escreveu:
>
> nuttx and nuttxapps
>
> Sébastien
>
> Le 18/11/2022 à 17:30, Gregory Nutt a écrit :
> >
> >> why can’t we just have :
> >>
> >> nuttx, apps
> >>
> >> as it has been for a long time (before Apache) …
> >
> > Ultimately, the r
Maybe if we chose simply nuttx + nuttx-apps then it would be easier to
separate step by step nuttx-doc, nuttx-cpu from "just" nuttx? Sooo
manyy chooiiccesss :-) :-)
On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 12:01 AM Tomek CEDRO wrote:
>
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 9:01 PM Alin Jerpelea wrote:
> > how about
> > nuttx
On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 9:01 PM Alin Jerpelea wrote:
> how about
> nuttx-core
> nuttx-apps
rtos part would clearly say what is NuttX even / especially for people
who do not know it yet, i.e. FreeRTOS is self-explanatory :-)
thus nuttx-rtos + nuttx-apps / nuttx_rtos + nuttx_apps whatever fits
requ
how about
nuttx-core
nuttx-apps
then we locally clone to
nurtx_core
nuttx_apps
Best regards
Alim
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022, 16:50 Jukka Laitinen, wrote:
> +1 for
>
> nuttx
> nuttx-apps
>
> Petro Karashchenko kirjoitti lauantai 19. marraskuuta 2022:
> > Hi,
> >
> > My two cents are that I think we sh
+1 for
nuttx
nuttx-apps
Petro Karashchenko kirjoitti lauantai 19. marraskuuta 2022:
> Hi,
>
> My two cents are that I think we should not rock the boat and just remove
> "incubator-" prefix from current repos that results in:
>
> nuttx
> nuttx-apps
>
> Best regards,
> Petro
>
> сб, 19 лист. 2
Hi,
My two cents are that I think we should not rock the boat and just remove
"incubator-" prefix from current repos that results in:
nuttx
nuttx-apps
Best regards,
Petro
сб, 19 лист. 2022 р. о 17:03 Tomek CEDRO пише:
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 3:53 PM Thiago Costa de Paiva wrote:
> > From the
On 11/19/2022 9:02 AM, Tomek CEDRO wrote:
On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 3:53 PM Thiago Costa de Paiva wrote:
From these, the valid argument is that it would be non-standard (not a top
level name) related to Appache rules, which I think is indeed not acceptable.
It would not imply any source code or
On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 3:53 PM Thiago Costa de Paiva wrote:
> From these, the valid argument is that it would be non-standard (not a top
> level name) related to Appache rules, which I think is indeed not acceptable.
> It would not imply any source code organization change nor submodules:
>
> gi
On 11/19/2022 8:31 AM, Tomek CEDRO wrote:
As we have this honor and pleasure to talk directly with the NuttX
RTOS author.. maybe really we should listen to Gregory Nutt himself as
the most experienced person in the room? There was a discussion in
this area and the choice is strongly reasoned not
If some toolchain has an issue with hyphen separated name, then it should
be solved in scope of that toolchain.
In particular, instructions for that particular toolchain should suggest
different clone name as a workaround.
One broken toolchain should not lead to violating of URL naming standards.
>From these, the valid argument is that it would be non-standard (not a top
>level name) related to Appache rules, which I think is indeed not acceptable.
>It would not imply any source code organization change nor submodules:
git clone /nuttx/core nuttx
git clone /nuttx/apps apps
Anyway, from
> I am not attached to the name itself, I was just trying to solve the
problem with special characters. Would the following work?
>
> nuttx/core
> nuttx/apps
Again, We need to verify, but I do not think that the Apache github
repository
supports directories like nuttx/ with repositories under the
Short answer: NO :-)
Long answer:
1. This is not how current source code is organized. Implies
additional work and will break compatibility.
2. There will be a problem with git repository. This may not be
accepted by Apache or will require additional non-standard work that
will not align with how
We've been doing
> >>> this ever since we joined the incubator and this is how we're
> >>> instructing people too:
> >>> https://nuttx.apache.org/docs/latest/quickstart/install.html#download-nuttx
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Nov
I am not attached to the name itself, I was just trying to solve the problem
with special characters. Would the following work?
nuttx/core
nuttx/apps
2022/11/19 08:21:43, Gregory Nutt:
> On 11/19/2022 8:12 AM, Gregory Nutt wrote:
> > We need to verify, but I do not think that the Apache github
On 11/19/2022 8:12 AM, Gregory Nutt wrote:
We need to verify, but I do not think that the Apache github
repository supports directories
Technically, NuttX is NOT a kernel in most build modes. A kernel is a
very specific architectural implementation involving protected
resources: https://en.w
We need to verify, but I do not think that the Apache github repository
supports directories
Technically, NuttX is NOT a kernel in most build modes. A kernel is a
very specific architectural implementation involving protected
resources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_(operating_system)
entative idea!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BR,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---Original---
> > > > From: "Gregory Nutt" > > > Date: Sat, Nov 19, 2022 08:26 AM
> > > > To: "dev&q
;
> > On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 6:42 AM fft wrote:
> > >
> > > sorry for my tentative idea!
> > >
> > >
> > > BR,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---Original---
> > > From: "Gregory Nutt" &g
gt; > BR,
> >
> >
> >
> > ---Original---
> > From: "Gregory Nutt" > Date: Sat, Nov 19, 2022 08:26 AM
> > To: "dev" > Subject: Re: New names of repositories
> >
> >
> > > Isn't it possible to merge the nuttx an
l#download-nuttx
On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 6:42 AM fft wrote:
>
> sorry for my tentative idea!
>
>
> BR,
>
>
>
> ---Original---
> From: "Gregory Nutt" Date: Sat, Nov 19, 2022 08:26 AM
> To: "dev" Subject: Re: New names of repositories
>
+1 , nuttx/nuttx-apps, I perfer nuttx, the "X" in NuttX means more
possibilities, "X" can be RTOS, or something else
archer,
BRs,
Gustavo Henrique Nihei 于2022年11月18日周五 23:32写道：
> I vote for nuttx and nuttx-apps.
> I agree with the above reasons for using dashes (-) instead of underscore.
>
> O
On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 1:25 AM Gregory Nutt wrote:
>
> > Isn't it possible to merge the nuttx and apps into only one
> repository？e.g:
> > > |-rtos
> > |-apps
>
> We discussed this option a couple of years ago and decided against it. I
> was VERY strongly opposed to the idea then and I still am
> Isn't it possible to merge the nuttx and apps into only one
repository？e.g:
> |-rtos
> |-apps
We discussed this option a couple of years ago and decided against it. I
was VERY strongly opposed to the idea then and I still am.
- apps is NOT part of NuttX. It is an achitecturally unrelated, mi
> I vote for nuttx, nuttx-apps
+1
David
-Original Message-
From: James Dougherty
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 11:21 AM
To: dev@nuttx.apache.org
Subject: Re: New names of repositories
That’s right! and underscores are difficult to see when the file name is
displayed as
On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 11:49 AM Gregory Nutt wrote:
> The are other Apache RTOSs, or at OSs. There is, at least,
> https://mynewt.apache.org/
>
> MyNewt uses several repositories, one for each major subsystem. Their
> naming uses hyphens: mynewt-core, mynewt-newt, mynewt-nimble,
> mynewt-newtmgr
+1 :)
>-Original Message-
>
>nuttx and nuttxapps
>
nuttx and nuttxapps
Sébastien
Le 18/11/2022 à 17:30, Gregory Nutt a écrit :
why can’t we just have :
nuttx, apps
as it has been for a long time (before Apache) …
Ultimately, the repository names would appear here:
https://github.com/orgs/apache/repositories
nuttx/ would probably be fin
The advantage of nuttx?kernel et nuttx?apps that both repository are together
in listing or folders. You can replace ‘?’ by as you want.
I don't see any other examples of folders. We would have to ask, I suppose.
PS: Pierre-Noel: Good to see your name in print. It has been awhile.
Isn’t nuttx supposed to be the Apache RTOS?
rtos/nuttx
rtos/apps
?
The are other Apache RTOSs, or at OSs. There is, at least,
https://mynewt.apache.org/
MyNewt uses several repositories, one for each major subsystem. Their
naming uses hyphens: mynewt-core, mynewt-newt, mynewt-nimble,
The advantage of nuttx?kernel et nuttx?apps that both repository are together
in listing or folders. You can replace ‘?’ by as you want.
Envoyé de mon iPhone
> Le 18 nov. 2022 à 17:42, James Dougherty a écrit :
>
> Isn’t nuttx supposed to be the Apache RTOS?
>
> rtos/nuttx
> rtos/apps
>
>
Isn't it possible to have a nuttx namespace with two repositories inside?
This would also open a possibility to host other projects related to NuttX
in the same place in the future.
On Fri, 18 Nov 2022, 17:30 Gregory Nutt, wrote:
>
> > why can’t we just have :
> >
> > nuttx, apps
> >
> > as it h
Isn’t nuttx supposed to be the Apache RTOS?
rtos/nuttx
rtos/apps
?
bah … when I do I upgrade to Apache, it’s gonna break more than just build
scripts and Makefiles :-(
> On Nov 18, 2022, at 8:30 AM, Gregory Nutt wrote:
>
>
>> why can’t we just have :
>>
>> nuttx, apps
>>
>> as it has be
why can’t we just have :
nuttx, apps
as it has been for a long time (before Apache) …
Ultimately, the repository names would appear here:
https://github.com/orgs/apache/repositories
nuttx/ would probably be fine, but apps/ probably would not be
appropriate at that level.
why can’t we just have :
nuttx, apps
as it has been for a long time (before Apache) …
> On Nov 18, 2022, at 8:13 AM, Gregory Nutt wrote:
>
>
>> I see all the other two-word Apache repositories use hyphens not
>> underscores, and on GitHub they are URLs which as has been pointed out
>> shou
That’s right! and underscores are difficult to see when the file name is
displayed as an underlined link
you also can’t use underscores
with AWS S3 …
https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonS3/latest/userguide/bucketnamingrules.html
Finally, the Google search engine treats, the hyphen( ‘-‘ ) separa
I see all the other two-word Apache repositories use hyphens not underscores,
and on GitHub they are URLs which as has been pointed out should ideally be
hyphenated?
To me the underscore looks wrong...but, in the grand scheme of things, it's
just a name and, like Sebastien, I will not lose
I vote for nuttx and nuttx-apps.
I agree with the above reasons for using dashes (-) instead of underscore.
On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 12:12 PM Pierre-Noel Bouteville
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Why not NuttxKernel and NuttxApp?
>
> Envoyé de mon iPhone
>
> > Le 18 nov. 2022 à 15:43, Xiang Xiao a écrit
> :
>
Hi,
Why not NuttxKernel and NuttxApp?
Envoyé de mon iPhone
> Le 18 nov. 2022 à 15:43, Xiang Xiao a écrit :
>
> But NuttX has more features than traditional RTOS(e.g. FreeRTOS). Actually,
> Xiaomi uses it in the IoT space which has less real time requirements.
> Other similar OS(e.g. Zephyr)
I see all the other two-word Apache repositories use hyphens not underscores,
and on GitHub they are URLs which as has been pointed out should ideally be
hyphenated?
To me the underscore looks wrong...but, in the grand scheme of things, it's
just a name and, like Sebastien, I will not lose slee
Hi,
I would also very much prefer nuttx and nuttx_apps but the other option
will not prevent me from sleeping well at night.
Sebastien
Le 18/11/2022 à 15:46, Gregory Nutt a écrit :
But NuttX has more features than traditional RTOS(e.g. FreeRTOS).
Actually,
Xiaomi uses it in the IoT space
But NuttX has more features than traditional RTOS(e.g. FreeRTOS). Actually,
Xiaomi uses it in the IoT space which has less real time requirements.
Other similar OS(e.g. Zephyr) doesn't append rtos suffix.
So, I prefer keep nuttx and nuttx-apps.
I just endorsed nuttx_rtos and nuttx_apps, but X
But NuttX has more features than traditional RTOS(e.g. FreeRTOS). Actually,
Xiaomi uses it in the IoT space which has less real time requirements.
Other similar OS(e.g. Zephyr) doesn't append rtos suffix.
So, I prefer keep nuttx and nuttx-apps.
On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 1:39 PM Alin Jerpelea wrote:
+1 for nuttx_rtos and nuttx_apps
On 11/18/2022 8:39 AM, Tomek CEDRO wrote:
nuttx_rtos and nuttx_apps :-)
--
CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info
nuttx_rtos and nuttx_apps :-)
--
CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info
hi
I think that nuttx_rtos and nuttx_apps is cleaner
Best regards
Alin
On Fri, 18 Nov 2022, 01:11 Alan C. Assis, wrote:
> I like the second option:
>
> 2) nuttx_rtos and nuttx_apps
>
> It makes clear that it is a RTOS :-)
>
> BR,
>
> Alan
>
> On 11/17/22, Nathan Hartman wrote:
> > Hi all,
>
I like the second option:
2) nuttx_rtos and nuttx_apps
It makes clear that it is a RTOS :-)
BR,
Alan
On 11/17/22, Nathan Hartman wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> As mentioned in the other thread, the repos need to be renamed to
> remove "incubating".
>
> In the discussion from a few months ago [1] severa
It is of course subjective, but dashes are typically used for URLs, not
underscores.
Just to quote a Google recommendation
https://developers.google.com/search/docs/crawling-indexing/url-structure?hl=en&visit_id=638043215091036715-3041335353&rd=1
[image: image.png]
In case some tools have an issu
My vote without too much care is to leave it be minus the incubation bit.
We have already been dealing with the hyphens.
--Brennan
On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 1:47 PM Nathan Hartman
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> As mentioned in the other thread, the repos need to be renamed to
> remove "incubating".
>
> In th
Hi all,
As mentioned in the other thread, the repos need to be renamed to
remove "incubating".
In the discussion from a few months ago [1] several reasons were given
why not to use hyphens in the names (they confuse some tools and
underscores are safer).
Two possibilities for repo names were giv
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