Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-12-22 Thread Nicolas Malin
Hi Bruno, With addons you don't use a svn for manage OFBiz customer instance. Here is process that I use for my customer : 1. Take a fix OFBiz revision 2. Install addons that I need for manage the specific customer process who not support by OFBiz 3. Create and install addon specific for my cus

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-12-21 Thread Bruno Busco
Thank you Erwan for this clause-by-clause to the Neogia addon manager. To be sincere I was looking to something different from what seems to be a patch manager. I see that using patches is a solution that has no limit on what can be done. (A patch can be even a complete remake of an application).

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-12-21 Thread Erwan de FERRIERES
Hi Bruno, here are some comments inline Le 19/12/2009 00:10, Bruno Busco a écrit : I try to write down some ideas I have on how I would like add-on modules in OFBiz. -- Add-on module management -- Every module should have a name, a version, a description, an author etc. Every module should hav

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-12-18 Thread Cimballi
Drupal uses hooks : http://api.drupal.org/api/group/hooks/7 Maybe something to get inspired by. It seems to provide good independance between modules. Cimballi On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Bruno Busco wrote: > I try to write down some ideas I have on how I would like add-on > modules in OF

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-12-18 Thread Bruno Busco
I try to write down some ideas I have on how I would like add-on modules in OFBiz. -- Add-on module management -- Every module should have a name, a version, a description, an author etc. Every module should have a list of modules from which it depends. A module should be added to the system using

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-12-18 Thread David E Jones
her >>>>>> components are >>>>>> Zimbra for email and concrete5 for web. >>>>>> >>>>>> Over this time, we've spent our efforts providing an entirely new UI >>>>>> front >>>>>> end for the backend applications: sales order, inventory, CRM, admin, >>>>>> reports, multi tenancy, published datasets (makes solution targeted for >>>>>> any >>>>>> market or geography), etc... >>>>>> >>>>>> We have expressed privately that Ofbiz needs to have a new mission in >>>>>> order to really drive it's importance and relevance as an open source >>>>>> project. As it stands, it's scope is very wide, and not targeted a >>>>>> providing and out-of-the box solution to any problem, save ecommerce >>>>>> (even >>>>>> then, lot's of styling work usually needed). >>>>>> >>>>>> We would be 100% behind this direction for Ofbiz. We'd want to >>>>>> contribute >>>>>> back components now that are Emforium proprietary and would work to >>>>>> reduce >>>>>> the amount of deviation between our proprietary solution and this newly >>>>>> stated direction. >>>>>> >>>>>> Marc >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://n4.nabble.com/Apache-OFBiz-EZBiz-tp277317p974666.html >> Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-12-18 Thread David E Jones
eb. >>>>> >>>>> Over this time, we've spent our efforts providing an entirely new UI >>>>> front >>>>> end for the backend applications: sales order, inventory, CRM, admin, >>>>> reports, multi tenancy, published data

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-12-18 Thread Nicolas Malin
Application patch is atomic to be sure that an addon don't break the OFBiz file hierarchy. Nicolas Erwan de FERRIERES a écrit : Le 18/12/2009 11:44, Scott Gray a écrit : So Neogia add ons are basically just managed patches? Basically yes. But, if you go deeper in the addons, there are : im

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-12-18 Thread Erwan de FERRIERES
Le 18/12/2009 11:44, Scott Gray a écrit : So Neogia add ons are basically just managed patches? Basically yes. But, if you go deeper in the addons, there are : improved patchs : if two addons are modifying the same file, both patches are applied one after the other. versioning dependancies h

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-12-18 Thread Jacques Le Roux
g work usually needed). We would be 100% behind this direction for Ofbiz. We'd want to contribute back components now that are Emforium proprietary and would work to reduce the amount of deviation between our proprietary solution and this newly stated direction. Marc -- View this m

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-12-18 Thread Scott Gray
So Neogia add ons are basically just managed patches? Regards Scott On 18/12/2009, at 11:30 PM, Erwan de FERRIERES wrote: Le 17/12/2009 22:46, Bruno Busco a écrit : Having OFBiz splitted in a core framework and add-on modules seems to me like a must if we want to improve features. Add-on mo

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-12-18 Thread Erwan de FERRIERES
Le 17/12/2009 22:46, Bruno Busco a écrit : Having OFBiz splitted in a core framework and add-on modules seems to me like a must if we want to improve features. Add-on modules is how many large and popular projects are built. Even OpenERP says to have more that 350 modules and offers different f

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-12-18 Thread Jacques Le Roux
o reduce the amount of deviation between our proprietary solution and this newly stated direction. Marc -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Apache-OFBiz-EZBiz-tp277317p974666.html Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-12-18 Thread chris snow
t;> >>>> We have expressed privately that Ofbiz needs to have a new mission in >>>> order to really drive it's importance and relevance as an open source >>>> project. As it stands, it's scope is very wide, and not targeted a >>>> providing and out-of-the box solution to any problem, save ecommerce >>>> (even >>>> then, lot's of styling work usually needed). >>>> >>>> We would be 100% behind this direction for Ofbiz. We'd want to >>>> contribute >>>> back components now that are Emforium proprietary and would work to >>>> reduce >>>> the amount of deviation between our proprietary solution and this newly >>>> stated direction. >>>> >>>> Marc >>> >>> > > > -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Apache-OFBiz-EZBiz-tp277317p974666.html Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-12-17 Thread Raj Saini
I am a big fan of OSGi and I feel it is a right component management technology to manage big project like OFBiz. This is one of the best to manage the component dependencies. I will work further on the OFBiz-OSGi and put more examples of how new bundles (aka plug-ins) can be developed. Thanks

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-12-17 Thread David E Jones
That's an interesting perspective. It's definitely true that if you don't collaborate on design and underlying data and such that you'll end up with a huge mess of incompatible "features". I agree that it is an advantage of OFBiz that when differences come up in how people want to do things it

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-12-17 Thread David E Jones
On Dec 17, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Bruno Busco wrote: > Having OFBiz splitted in a core framework and add-on modules seems to > me like a must if we want to improve features. > Add-on modules is how many large and popular projects are built. > Even OpenERP says to have more that 350 modules and offers

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-12-17 Thread Jacques Le Roux
From: "Jacques Le Roux" Addons are certainly a good idea. But a good handling of them is also required (in other words they should never interfer). I have a prospective customer (IT manager), who said that his company is using OpenERP (Python) but he is worried about the mess addons bring. He

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-12-17 Thread Jacques Le Roux
Addons are certainly a good idea. But a good handling of them is also required (in other words they should never interfer). I have a prospective customer (IT manager), who said that his company is using OpenERP (Python) but he is worried about the mess addons bring. He talked by experience... I

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-12-17 Thread Bruno Busco
Having OFBiz splitted in a core framework and add-on modules seems to me like a must if we want to improve features. Add-on modules is how many large and popular projects are built. Even OpenERP says to have more that 350 modules and offers different flavours of it here http://www.openerp.com/disco

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-10-30 Thread Jacques Le Roux
From: "Jacques Le Roux" Hi Marc, Great! BTW, I think http://www.allinsoftware.com/ deserves a line in the 1st table at http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBIZ/Apache+OFBiz+User+List, isn'it ? I will also put one on the OFBiz site, if you don't mind ? Done on OFBiz site Jacques Jacques From:

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-10-29 Thread Jacques Le Roux
Hi Marc, Great! BTW, I think http://www.allinsoftware.com/ deserves a line in the 1st table at http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBIZ/Apache+OFBiz+User+List, isn'it ? I will also put one on the OFBiz site, if you don't mind ? Jacques From: "Marc Morin" As many of you know, we at Emforium have b

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-10-29 Thread Tim Ruppert
This sounds fantastic Marc - it's amazing to see many of the software providers out there coming together to back this idea. This has the unique opportunity of taking everything that OFBiz does to the next level. I guess the big question is, what's next to help get some of these backend

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-10-29 Thread Marc Morin
As many of you know, we at Emforium have been busy building out a full set of business software application to provide an "ALL-IN" comprehensive solution for the small business market. When we started the evaluation over a year ago, Ofbiz was the selected platform of choice. Other components a

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-10-29 Thread Nicolas Malin
Hi David, I'm very pleased of this new development. On Neogia project, we've been working for a few years on having a generic system that give the possibility to create quickly screens and data for any type of society. The problem with small buisnesses is that they need a system out of the box

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-10-28 Thread chris snow
Hi David, Will you be setting up a wiki area or jira issue dedicated to EZBiz so that we can follow developments? Many thanks, Chris -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/Apache-OFBiz-EZBiz-tp277317p277475.html Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-10-27 Thread Jacques Le Roux
From: "Ean Schuessler" David E Jones wrote: I've started work on a new application for OFBiz, and tentatively decided on the name "EZBiz" for it. I considered "QuickBiz", but that's maybe too suggestive of a certain competing commercial application. ;) The main idea is to create an all-in-one

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-10-27 Thread Tim Ruppert
Hallelujah! I have to say Ean, that the missing link for how amazing WebSlinger can be in OFBiz (we've all been blown away many times now), has always been this reference implementation of it in use in the eComm world. POS coupled with more integrations and an amazing front end editing sy

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-10-27 Thread Ean Schuessler
David E Jones wrote: > I've started work on a new application for OFBiz, and tentatively > decided on the name "EZBiz" for it. I considered "QuickBiz", but > that's maybe too suggestive of a certain competing commercial > application. ;) > > The main idea is to create an all-in-one application in O

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-10-27 Thread Jacques Le Roux
David, Not much to say, so far I have learned a new word : vagaries. eZBiz could be considered a competive name also, but not in the same area (watch my eyes : CMS, anyway joke) OK, in one word I'm certainly interested but not much time to spend at short term. Also I don't know how they progr

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-10-27 Thread Tim Ruppert
+1 - as I'm sure you know David, this is something we are VERY interested in and will back you and the community 100%. This has made my week! Cheers, Ruppert -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Oct 27, 2009, at 2:39 PM, David E Jones wrot

Re: Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-10-27 Thread Anil Patel
David, Congratulations, really exciting stuff. I have been trying to contribute your UBPL effort and this next effort is inline with where I'll like ofbiz to go. Sure I'll be able to find ways to contribute in this effort. Thanks and Regards Anil Patel HotWax Media Inc http://www.hotwaxmed

Apache OFBiz EZBiz

2009-10-27 Thread David E Jones
I've started work on a new application for OFBiz, and tentatively decided on the name "EZBiz" for it. I considered "QuickBiz", but that's maybe too suggestive of a certain competing commercial application. ;) The main idea is to create an all-in-one application in OFBiz for smaller busi