interesting... many of the ideas that were
> >>described here a few days ago were quite good in my mind.
> >>Should it be
> >>the future of Struts? I don't know yet, and I'm not even sure those
> >>developing it would be willing to say that at this junctu
s a very useful technique. We'll use it again in Tip
#2, when we discuss the standard Dispatch Actions.
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There are some frameworks that are obviously "heavy" out of the box if
you undestand how computers work. JSF is one of them.
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Yes. I customarily, unlike most, do not suffer the insults of the
self-appointed high and mighty, including you and Nially. I did
nothing like what you implied and only your overblown ego got in the
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> > - http://localhost:/forms-samples/do-dynaRepeater.flow
> > - http://localhost:/forms-samples/do-datasourceChooser.flow
> > - http://localhost:/forms-samples/do-taskTree.flow
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> > mature and if you are not a committer able to mak
The below is a continuing problem. At this stage, Struts is pretty
mature and if you are not a committer able to make decisions, there
really is not too much you can do of interest with Struts other than
applications, although I will probably write my own branch this summer
for my own use with IoC
ainly not a bad option. Not a big deal to implement, I just wonder
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I don't think this is comparable. Map has those methods in relation
to its basic operations. They are not utilities.
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efully, Struts, other than the bastard-child Shale, will not become
tool-bound. I know you are not suggesting this, Ted. But, I cannot
see what the point in terms of good architecture is here.
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oaded signature in the action execute(...) with
(...ActionForm [] forms...) instead of (...ActionForm form).
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most common use case there is?
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not only demonstrated the problem, but could
> also be used to test the solution.
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> -Ted.
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&g
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> > Sorry if this is a really stupid question. I have not looked at the
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think best. In
this case, I think they are absolutely wrong and am complete
bamboozled why you would think otherwise.
> It doesn't bother me that people will be able to go off in directions
> like these with their own extensions, so long as the cannonical
> architecture remains
user guide, because potentially
> the whole web application could be screwed up ...
> but I suppose that is the fallback of extreme flexibility.
>
> There is also a different use-case, which Ted and other has
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s originally
envisioned, to . As things are now, an OOP programmer has
to use one ActionForm to span two pages.
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Ah, yes! That open source market niche being saved for JSF! ///;-)
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eventually go back to the typewriter and carbon paper.
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t I don't like and what "scares" me.
There should be a framework is my point. If things get too fluid,
then there is no framework and we might as well write our own, which a
lot of do on a regular basis anyway.
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Yes.
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> > of calling objects/classes/interfaces as more like a very organized
> > "go to" comma
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the committers to remember how successful the basic idea
is before getting any ideas about changing that. Struts should
succeed or fail as Struts, not as some other creature like Shale or
some of the present ideas being bandied about.
Shalom!
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> >The idea, I thought, was to use the Commands to supplant the
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> >present suggestions are
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> struts-core-1.3.0-dev-src.zip
> struts-core-1.3.0-dev.tar.gz
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> >that this is the way to go to establish a dialogue with the committer
ActionMapping getMapping();
public void setMapping(ActionMapping mapping);
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to the code download. That's much more likely to get people
> looking at it, at least in my opinion.
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Thanks, Frank. I posted this code in response to Ted's suggestion
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Frank, I probably should have said that the NAMES of the first three
classes should be mapped to their present counterparts.
Jack
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> If you don't mind, I would like to talk to you
t; > + public String getContentType() {
> > +return contentType;
> > + }
> > +
> > + public String getFileExt() {
> > +return fileExt;
> > + }
> > +
> > + public String getFileName() {
> > +return fileName;
> > + }
&
got
> one. The only way that will change is if someone takes the initiative
> and writes another working implementation.
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ateActionForm -- a plug-in or IoC or something else? Furthermore,
> couldn't someone implement this thing pattern anyway by creating their
> own subclass of AbstractPopulateActionForm and delegating from their?
> After all, the implementation has to belong somewhere.
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gest
and show how it could be done to open conversations, then I don't
understand. I am sure you don't mean that/
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incorrectly. Sorry about that.
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I gave you a specific, but you did not respond, Joe. Can you tell me why?
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> Presently, the actions follow the Template Method pattern (GoF). This
> pattern is as previously indicated but now referenced
lease understand it was meant to be helpful.
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think I have some things to say that are helpful. I have
decided to start a different thread to state what I would like from
Struts v1.3 and beyond.
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> On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 01:10:45 -0800, Dakota Jack <[EMA
is okay for me, since I parse and create my own
anyway. Others might be confused by this. I know I was.
Jack
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> Hi, Niall,
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> I see! I do think that it is a bad idea to have the
> MultipartRequestWr
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g a "servant" to the application. This is not necessary, I think,
and undesireable. Do you agree on that?
Thanks.
Jack
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ok at alternative ways of
> providing access to them, if necessary / desirable.
Can you make this available for discussion? Or is it available now?
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> implementation rather than the Multipart Command supplied.
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> Niall
This is all you have to do if you do things in this order, Niall. I
don't think you can, however, as explained above. I must have
something wrong, but I cannot see what that would be. Maybe
MultipartRequestWra
ual population does not occur in
RequestProcessor but in RequestUtils, as you know.
Perhaps you mean to speak of the handler and not the wrapper?
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