[freenet-dev] Post-0.7.0 priorities

2008-05-13 Thread Victor Denisov
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 | What evidence is there that people need to have multi-gigabyte | datastores? We aren't necessarily helping ourselves by telling people | they need to devote anywhere from 1-5% of their total hard disks to | Freenet, unless it *really is* necessary.

[freenet-dev] Website not the big problem atm? was Re: Content Management System

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
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[freenet-dev] Website not the big problem atm? was Re: Content Management System

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
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[freenet-dev] Website not the big problem atm? was Re: Content Management System

2008-05-13 Thread Michael Tänzer
e. regards Neo at NHNG -- Follow the blue rabbit - The Freenet Project - http://freenetproject.org/ -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20080513/a9671cd8/attachment.pgp>

[freenet-dev] Website not the big problem atm? was Re: Content Management System

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
er retention). > > All important, but the website is also important. > > Ian. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20080513/7d9f7c92/attachment.pgp>

[freenet-dev] Post-0.7.0 priorities

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
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[freenet-dev] Post 0.7 idea: off-grid darknet!

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
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2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
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[freenet-dev] Post 0.7 idea: off-grid darknet!

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
" is way way way below the bar > needed to justify incorporating the functionality into the same app. Maybe we should call a ceasefire for the time being, and I'll bug you all again about it in 0.8 when we have passive requests, transport plugins, and maybe new load management? > > Ian. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20080513/caf6c2d0/attachment.pgp>

[freenet-dev] Post 0.7 idea: off-grid darknet!

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
ly with this, admittedly with an absolutely horrible latency, which would be cut to a moderately horrible latency with true passive requests). > > Cheers, > Michael -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signa

[freenet-dev] Post 0.7 idea: off-grid darknet!

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
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2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
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[freenet-dev] Post-0.7.0 priorities

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
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[freenet-dev] Post-0.7.0 priorities

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
important? Yeah but we'd have to unpack, support post-unpack scripts, etc etc ... really we'd want the apps to provide their own unpacker and just feed them a single file for them to do what they want with? > > Regards, > Victor Denisov. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20080513/f2126e45/attachment.pgp>

[freenet-dev] [freenet-cvs] r19789 - branches/saltedhashstore/freenet/src/freenet/store

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
to lost any data in this early testing stage. Ahh, okay. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20080513/387cbc86/attachment.pgp>

[freenet-dev] WoT plugin

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
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[freenet-dev] WoT plugin

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
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[freenet-dev] Website not the big problem atm? was Re: Content Management System

2008-05-13 Thread Ian Clarke
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Michael T?nzer wrote: > I don't think funding depends on how our website looks, at least not > directly Not directly, but definitely indirectly. Funding is proportional to the number of users, and the number of users is proportional to the number of people

[freenet-dev] Website not the big problem atm? was Re: Content Management System

2008-05-13 Thread Ian Clarke
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > As nextgens pointed out recently, our current website has a 40% conversion > rate - that is, 40% of our unique visitors downloaded Freenet. Firstly, I don't buy that stat, and secondly, the inference you draw from it is wrong. I

[freenet-dev] Post-0.7.0 priorities

2008-05-13 Thread Ian Clarke
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > It could be related to the fact that I've only been able to dedicate > > about 2 Gb for my store, but I doubt it. > > That certainly won't help. What evidence is there that people need to have multi-gigabyte datastores? We aren't

[freenet-dev] Chinese translation for dont-close-me / welcome

2008-05-13 Thread Daniel Cheng
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Sunday 11 May 2008 10:03, Daniel Cheng wrote: > > Hi, > > Here are the Chinese translation for cont-close-me and welcome.html > > Great stuff. A full chinese translation would be wonderful, however I prefer > you work on code if

[freenet-dev] Content Management System

2008-05-13 Thread Florent Daignière
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[freenet-dev] WoT plugin

2008-05-13 Thread Florent Daignière
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[freenet-dev] Content Management System

2008-05-13 Thread Florent Daignière
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[freenet-dev] Post 0.7 idea: off-grid darknet!

2008-05-13 Thread Michael Rogers
Evan Daniel wrote: > The major change needed would be a way to request not the specific SSK > block, but the SSK, whatever CHK it happens to redirect to, and any > CHK blocks needed to decode the result Exactly, so you'd need a different protocol, different data formats and a different routing

[freenet-dev] Post 0.7 idea: off-grid darknet!

2008-05-13 Thread Michael Rogers
Matthew Toseland wrote: >> 1. The platform for this type of thing is a small mobile device, >> getting Freenet to work well on an iPhone would be a world of pain - >> and doesn't buy anything for us > > No, to do that requires a massive amount of short range bandwidth. Phones do > not have this.

[freenet-dev] Post 0.7 idea: off-grid darknet!

2008-05-13 Thread Michael Rogers
Evan Daniel wrote: > I think flood routing inserts opportunistically is a good idea -- > there's no point in sending out a memory card less than full, and > routed requests / inserts may well not be enough to fill it. My knee-jerk reaction was "flooding doesn't scale", but it's actually worked

[freenet-dev] Content Management System

2008-05-13 Thread Ian Clarke
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Florent Daigni?re wrote: > Well what's the solution then? To make Matthew work on the website? to > send a call for help on @announce (possibly a better phrased than mine)? > > Shall I forget about the drupal vhost right-now and delete it? Definitely not, its

[freenet-dev] Post 0.7 idea: off-grid darknet!

2008-05-13 Thread Michael Rogers
Matthew Toseland wrote: > Hence request priorities, so that the requests for the top blocks go over the > UDP connections. Are you assuming that every sneakernet connection will be backed up by an internet connection? > So the routing code > could be very similar to the current code, but we

[freenet-dev] Post-0.7.0 priorities

2008-05-13 Thread Victor Denisov
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 | On Friday 09 May 2008 07:27, Victor Denisov wrote: |> | Automatic bandwidth calibration. Other p2p apps have this, we should |> have it. |> |> Good idea. Also, we should definitely look into better utilizing |> available bandwidth. Freenet's the

[freenet-dev] Post-0.7.0 priorities

2008-05-13 Thread Michael Rogers
Victor Denisov wrote: > Input Rate: 17.6 KiB/sec (of 300 KiB) > Output Rate: 15.9 KiB/sec (of 200 KiB) > Total Input: 4.83 GiB (28.3 KiB/sec) > Total Output: 5.66 GiB (33.2 KiB/sec) > > Used Java memory: 122 MiB > Allocated Java memory: 127 MiB > Maximum Java memory: 284 MiB > Running threads:

[freenet-dev] Content Management System

2008-05-13 Thread Ian Clarke
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Florent Daigni?re wrote: > I personnaly won't work on it for now. The main point against our > current website is that it's not community-friendly... Let's see if the > community feels involved and will contribute to the presumably > community-friendly

Re: [freenet-dev] WoT plugin

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Monday 12 May 2008 18:14, you wrote: Hi, I'm having interrogations about the use of the WoT plugin and I'm confronted to a choice : The plugin is able to handle multiple local identites. But do you think it could be usefull to allow local identities to set different trust levels on

Re: [freenet-dev] WoT plugin

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Monday 12 May 2008 20:05, Julien Cornuwel wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : When you publish a shared trust tree with 2 identities, everyone could easily figure out that this two identities are the same person. I wasn't thinking about sharing the same trustlist but : the first

Re: [freenet-dev] [freenet-cvs] r19789 - branches/saltedhashstore/freenet/src/freenet/store

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Saturday 10 May 2008 04:10, Daniel Cheng wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Matthew Toseland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 06 May 2008 08:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Author: j16sdiz Date: 2008-05-06 07:39:43 + (Tue, 06 May 2008) New Revision: 19789 Modified:

Re: [freenet-dev] Post-0.7.0 priorities

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Monday 12 May 2008 20:19, Victor Denisov wrote: | On Friday 09 May 2008 07:27, Victor Denisov wrote: | | Automatic bandwidth calibration. Other p2p apps have this, we should | have it. | | Good idea. Also, we should definitely look into better utilizing | available bandwidth. Freenet's

Re: [freenet-dev] Post-0.7.0 priorities

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Monday 12 May 2008 23:10, Michael Rogers wrote: Victor Denisov wrote: Input Rate: 17.6 KiB/sec (of 300 KiB) Output Rate: 15.9 KiB/sec (of 200 KiB) Total Input: 4.83 GiB (28.3 KiB/sec) Total Output: 5.66 GiB (33.2 KiB/sec) Used Java memory: 122 MiB Allocated Java memory: 127 MiB

[freenet-dev] Website not the big problem atm? was Re: Content Management System

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Tuesday 13 May 2008 05:44, Ian Clarke wrote: On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Florent Daignière [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well what's the solution then? To make Matthew work on the website? to send a call for help on @announce (possibly a better phrased than mine)? Shall I forget

Re: [freenet-dev] Post 0.7 idea: off-grid darknet!

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Monday 12 May 2008 23:28, Michael Rogers wrote: Matthew Toseland wrote: Hence request priorities, so that the requests for the top blocks go over the UDP connections. Are you assuming that every sneakernet connection will be backed up by an internet connection? No, it's merely an

Re: [freenet-dev] Post 0.7 idea: off-grid darknet!

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Monday 12 May 2008 23:56, Michael Rogers wrote: Matthew Toseland wrote: 1. The platform for this type of thing is a small mobile device, getting Freenet to work well on an iPhone would be a world of pain - and doesn't buy anything for us No, to do that requires a massive amount of

Re: [freenet-dev] Post 0.7 idea: off-grid darknet!

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Monday 12 May 2008 23:56, Ian Clarke wrote: On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Matthew Toseland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 10 May 2008 17:33, Ian Clarke wrote: I see a simple scenario where a sneakernet would be useful is in a situation like Burma or Tibet where stuff is

Re: [freenet-dev] Post-0.7.0 priorities

2008-05-13 Thread Ian Clarke
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Matthew Toseland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It could be related to the fact that I've only been able to dedicate about 2 Gb for my store, but I doubt it. That certainly won't help. What evidence is there that people need to have multi-gigabyte datastores?

Re: [freenet-dev] Post 0.7 idea: off-grid darknet!

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Tuesday 13 May 2008 00:44, Michael Rogers wrote: Evan Daniel wrote: The major change needed would be a way to request not the specific SSK block, but the SSK, whatever CHK it happens to redirect to, and any CHK blocks needed to decode the result Exactly, so you'd need a different

Re: [freenet-dev] Post 0.7 idea: off-grid darknet!

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Tuesday 13 May 2008 00:24, Evan Daniel wrote: On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Ian Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Matthew Toseland 2. Most or all Freenet apps assume a few seconds latency on requests (Frost, Fproxy, etc), yet the latency with the

Re: [freenet-dev] Website not the big problem atm? was Re: Content Management System

2008-05-13 Thread Ian Clarke
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Matthew Toseland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As nextgens pointed out recently, our current website has a 40% conversion rate - that is, 40% of our unique visitors downloaded Freenet. Firstly, I don't buy that stat, and secondly, the inference you draw from it is

Re: [freenet-dev] Post-0.7.0 priorities

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Tuesday 13 May 2008 19:38, Ian Clarke wrote: On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Matthew Toseland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It could be related to the fact that I've only been able to dedicate about 2 Gb for my store, but I doubt it. That certainly won't help. What evidence is

Re: [freenet-dev] Website not the big problem atm? was Re: Content Management System

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Tuesday 13 May 2008 19:45, Ian Clarke wrote: On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Matthew Toseland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As nextgens pointed out recently, our current website has a 40% conversion rate - that is, 40% of our unique visitors downloaded Freenet. Firstly, I don't buy

Re: [freenet-dev] Post-0.7.0 priorities

2008-05-13 Thread Victor Denisov
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 | What evidence is there that people need to have multi-gigabyte | datastores? We aren't necessarily helping ourselves by telling people | they need to devote anywhere from 1-5% of their total hard disks to | Freenet, unless it *really is* necessary.

Re: [freenet-dev] Post-0.7.0 priorities

2008-05-13 Thread Victor Denisov
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 | I disagree. Your actual bandwidth usage is determined by how many requests the | other nodes send you. This is largely determined by the *average bandwidth | limit* across the whole network. If we increase the average bandwidth limit, | we increase

Re: [freenet-dev] Website not the big problem atm? was Re: Content Management System

2008-05-13 Thread Michael Tänzer
Matthew Toseland schrieb: On Tuesday 13 May 2008 05:44, Ian Clarke wrote: On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Florent Daignière [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well what's the solution then? To make Matthew work on the website? to send a call for help on @announce (possibly a better phrased than

Re: [freenet-dev] Website not the big problem atm? was Re: Content Management System

2008-05-13 Thread Ian Clarke
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Michael Tänzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think funding depends on how our website looks, at least not directly Not directly, but definitely indirectly. Funding is proportional to the number of users, and the number of users is proportional to the

Re: [freenet-dev] Website not the big problem atm? was Re: Content Management System

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Tuesday 13 May 2008 20:40, Ian Clarke wrote: On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Michael Tänzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think funding depends on how our website looks, at least not directly Not directly, but definitely indirectly. Funding is proportional to the number of

Re: [freenet-dev] Website not the big problem atm? was Re: Content Management System

2008-05-13 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Tuesday 13 May 2008 20:30, Michael Tänzer wrote: Matthew Toseland schrieb: IMHO the bigger problem is user retention. And how do we get better user retention? - More content. - Better performance. - A usable chat client. (Whether or not we choose to spend project resources on

Re: [freenet-dev] [freenet-cvs] r19918 - in trunk/freenet: src/freenet/crypt/ciphers test/freenet/crypt test/freenet/crypt/ciphers

2008-05-13 Thread Daniel Cheng
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 4:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Author: dbkr Date: 2008-05-13 20:45:14 + (Tue, 13 May 2008) New Revision: 19918 Added: trunk/freenet/test/freenet/crypt/ciphers/ trunk/freenet/test/freenet/crypt/ciphers/RijndaelTest.java Removed:

Re: [freenet-dev] Website not the big problem atm? was Re: Content Management System

2008-05-13 Thread Florent Daignière
* Matthew Toseland [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-05-13 19:50:38]: On Tuesday 13 May 2008 19:45, Ian Clarke wrote: On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Matthew Toseland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As nextgens pointed out recently, our current website has a 40% conversion rate - that is, 40% of

Re: [freenet-dev] [freenet-cvs] r19914 - trunk/freenet/src/freenet/crypt/ciphers

2008-05-13 Thread Florent Daignière
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-05-13 16:11:59]: Author: j16sdiz Date: 2008-05-13 16:11:59 + (Tue, 13 May 2008) New Revision: 19914 Added: trunk/freenet/src/freenet/crypt/ciphers/RijndaelTest.java Log: JUnit for Rijndael Added:

Re: [freenet-dev] Website not the big problem atm? was Re: Content Management System

2008-05-13 Thread Florent Daignière
* Ian Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-05-13 13:45:18]: On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Matthew Toseland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As nextgens pointed out recently, our current website has a 40% conversion rate - that is, 40% of our unique visitors downloaded Freenet. Firstly, I don't

Re: [freenet-dev] [freenet-cvs] r19914 - trunk/freenet/src/freenet/crypt/ciphers

2008-05-13 Thread Daniel Cheng
On 5/14/08, Florent Daignière [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-05-13 16:11:59]: Author: j16sdiz Date: 2008-05-13 16:11:59 + (Tue, 13 May 2008) New Revision: 19914 Added: trunk/freenet/src/freenet/crypt/ciphers/RijndaelTest.java Log:

Re: [freenet-dev] Website not the big problem atm? was Re: Content Management System

2008-05-13 Thread Ian Clarke
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 10:06 PM, Florent Daignière [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Ian Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-05-13 13:45:18]: On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Matthew Toseland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As nextgens pointed out recently, our current website has a 40% conversion