* Ian Clarke [2008-12-14 06:48:57]:
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Zero3 wrote:
> > That covers mine, toads and nextgens opinions. What do everyone else think?
>
> Here are my thoughts:
>
> Bundling
> --
> I don't have a problem with bundling per-se provided we are judicious
> abou
* Ian Clarke [2008-12-12 17:56:59]:
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Florent Daigni?re
> wrote:
> > I don't care what you'd say. You are pushing for infrastructure changes
> > to be made: you are the one making demands here. The policy is what it
> > is: special cases suck and should be avoide
* Ian Clarke [2008-12-14 06:56:22]:
> On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Florent Daigni?re
> wrote:
> >> > Don't worry: that's the last reply you will get from me. I have more
> >> > important things to spare my free time on.
> >>
> >> Okay so you concede. I'll install a Windows VM on emu then! :
* Matthew Toseland [2008-12-15 23:10:57]:
> On Sunday 14 December 2008 12:48, Ian Clarke wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Zero3 wrote:
> > > That covers mine, toads and nextgens opinions. What do everyone else
> think?
> >
> > Here are my thoughts:
> >
> > Bundling
> > --
>
On Sunday 14 December 2008 12:48, Ian Clarke wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Zero3 wrote:
> > That covers mine, toads and nextgens opinions. What do everyone else
think?
>
> Here are my thoughts:
>
> Bundling
> --
> I don't have a problem with bundling per-se provided we are j
* Ian Clarke [2008-12-14 06:48:57]:
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Zero3 wrote:
> > That covers mine, toads and nextgens opinions. What do everyone else think?
>
> Here are my thoughts:
>
> Bundling
> --
> I don't have a problem with bundling per-se provided we are judicious
> abou
* Ian Clarke [2008-12-12 17:56:59]:
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Florent Daignière
> wrote:
> > I don't care what you'd say. You are pushing for infrastructure changes
> > to be made: you are the one making demands here. The policy is what it
> > is: special cases suck and should be avoide
* Ian Clarke [2008-12-14 06:56:22]:
> On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Florent Daignière
> wrote:
> >> > Don't worry: that's the last reply you will get from me. I have more
> >> > important things to spare my free time on.
> >>
> >> Okay so you concede. I'll install a Windows VM on emu then! :
* Matthew Toseland [2008-12-15 23:10:57]:
> On Sunday 14 December 2008 12:48, Ian Clarke wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Zero3 wrote:
> > > That covers mine, toads and nextgens opinions. What do everyone else
> think?
> >
> > Here are my thoughts:
> >
> > Bundling
> > --
>
On Sunday 14 December 2008 12:48, Ian Clarke wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Zero3 wrote:
> > That covers mine, toads and nextgens opinions. What do everyone else
think?
>
> Here are my thoughts:
>
> Bundling
> --
> I don't have a problem with bundling per-se provided we are j
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Florent Daigni?re
wrote:
>> > Don't worry: that's the last reply you will get from me. I have more
>> > important things to spare my free time on.
>>
>> Okay so you concede. I'll install a Windows VM on emu then! :)
>>
>> Seriously, if you don't want to maintain e
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Zero3 wrote:
> That covers mine, toads and nextgens opinions. What do everyone else think?
Here are my thoughts:
Bundling
--
I don't have a problem with bundling per-se provided we are judicious
about what gets bundled. In issues like this I think its in
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Florent Daignière
wrote:
>> > Don't worry: that's the last reply you will get from me. I have more
>> > important things to spare my free time on.
>>
>> Okay so you concede. I'll install a Windows VM on emu then! :)
>>
>> Seriously, if you don't want to maintain e
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Zero3 wrote:
> That covers mine, toads and nextgens opinions. What do everyone else think?
Here are my thoughts:
Bundling
--
I don't have a problem with bundling per-se provided we are judicious
about what gets bundled. In issues like this I think its in
Ian Clarke skrev:
> On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Zero3 wrote:
>
>> Matthew Toseland skrev:
>>
>>> Disruptive person or not, nextgens has contributed far more to the Freenet
>>> project than you have, and I don't want to have to take on administering emu
>>> unless he gets hit by a bus
Ian Clarke skrev:
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Zero3 wrote:
>
>> If you actually want people to volunteer, may I kindly suggest that you
>> guys agree internally on how Freenet is supposed to move forward first?
>>
>
> That is what we are doing right now.
>
> You might think this kin
* Ian Clarke [2008-12-12 17:56:59]:
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Florent Daigni?re
> wrote:
> > I don't care what you'd say. You are pushing for infrastructure changes
> > to be made: you are the one making demands here. The policy is what it
> > is: special cases suck and should be avoide
* Matthew Toseland [2008-12-13 11:24:12]:
> On Friday 12 December 2008 23:07, Florent Daigni?re wrote:
> > > I'm not really trying to discuss how the builds should be signed
> > > (another discussion really),
> >
> > No, it's not. THEY SHOULD NOT BE SIGNED ON EMU EITHER! and it's not
> > becaus
Matthew Toseland skrev:
>> If you actually want people to volunteer, may I kindly suggest that you
>> guys agree internally on how Freenet is supposed to move forward first?
>>
>
> We are trying to!
>
> Disruptive person or not, nextgens has contributed far more to the Freenet
> project than
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Zero3 wrote:
> Matthew Toseland skrev:
>> Disruptive person or not, nextgens has contributed far more to the Freenet
>> project than you have, and I don't want to have to take on administering emu
>> unless he gets hit by a bus. Therefore we have to take his views
On Friday 12 December 2008 23:07, Florent Daigni?re wrote:
> > I'm not really trying to discuss how the builds should be signed
> > (another discussion really),
>
> No, it's not. THEY SHOULD NOT BE SIGNED ON EMU EITHER! and it's not
> because we are doing it wrong at the moment that we should ext
On Saturday 13 December 2008 00:27, Zero3 wrote:
> Ian Clarke skrev:
> > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Florent Daigni?re
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I don't care what you'd say. You are pushing for infrastructure changes
> >> to be made: you are the one making demands here. The policy is what it
> >
* Ian Clarke [2008-12-12 17:56:59]:
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Florent Daignière
> wrote:
> > I don't care what you'd say. You are pushing for infrastructure changes
> > to be made: you are the one making demands here. The policy is what it
> > is: special cases suck and should be avoide
* Matthew Toseland [2008-12-13 11:24:12]:
> On Friday 12 December 2008 23:07, Florent Daignière wrote:
> > > I'm not really trying to discuss how the builds should be signed
> > > (another discussion really),
> >
> > No, it's not. THEY SHOULD NOT BE SIGNED ON EMU EITHER! and it's not
> > becaus
Ian Clarke skrev:
> On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Zero3 wrote:
>
>> Matthew Toseland skrev:
>>
>>> Disruptive person or not, nextgens has contributed far more to the Freenet
>>> project than you have, and I don't want to have to take on administering emu
>>> unless he gets hit by a bus
Ian Clarke skrev:
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Zero3 wrote:
>
>> If you actually want people to volunteer, may I kindly suggest that you
>> guys agree internally on how Freenet is supposed to move forward first?
>>
>
> That is what we are doing right now.
>
> You might think this kin
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Zero3 wrote:
> If you actually want people to volunteer, may I kindly suggest that you
> guys agree internally on how Freenet is supposed to move forward first?
That is what we are doing right now.
You might think this kind of discussion is messy, but its how
dec
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Zero3 wrote:
> Matthew Toseland skrev:
>> Disruptive person or not, nextgens has contributed far more to the Freenet
>> project than you have, and I don't want to have to take on administering emu
>> unless he gets hit by a bus. Therefore we have to take his views
Matthew Toseland skrev:
>> If you actually want people to volunteer, may I kindly suggest that you
>> guys agree internally on how Freenet is supposed to move forward first?
>>
>
> We are trying to!
>
> Disruptive person or not, nextgens has contributed far more to the Freenet
> project than
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Zero3 wrote:
> If you actually want people to volunteer, may I kindly suggest that you
> guys agree internally on how Freenet is supposed to move forward first?
That is what we are doing right now.
You might think this kind of discussion is messy, but its how
dec
On Friday 12 December 2008 23:07, Florent Daignière wrote:
> > I'm not really trying to discuss how the builds should be signed
> > (another discussion really),
>
> No, it's not. THEY SHOULD NOT BE SIGNED ON EMU EITHER! and it's not
> because we are doing it wrong at the moment that we should ext
On Saturday 13 December 2008 00:27, Zero3 wrote:
> Ian Clarke skrev:
> > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Florent Daignière
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I don't care what you'd say. You are pushing for infrastructure changes
> >> to be made: you are the one making demands here. The policy is what it
> >
Ian Clarke skrev:
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Florent Daigni?re
> wrote:
>
>> I don't care what you'd say. You are pushing for infrastructure changes
>> to be made: you are the one making demands here. The policy is what it
>> is: special cases suck and should be avoided. It's not like t
On Friday 12 December 2008 23:56, Ian Clarke wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Florent Daigni?re
> wrote:
> > I don't care what you'd say. You are pushing for infrastructure changes
> > to be made: you are the one making demands here. The policy is what it
> > is: special cases suck and sh
> I'm not really trying to discuss how the builds should be signed
> (another discussion really),
No, it's not. THEY SHOULD NOT BE SIGNED ON EMU EITHER! and it's not
because we are doing it wrong at the moment that we should extend the
"bad" behaviour.
> but trying to figure out why you can sign
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Florent Daigni?re
wrote:
> I don't care what you'd say. You are pushing for infrastructure changes
> to be made: you are the one making demands here. The policy is what it
> is: special cases suck and should be avoided. It's not like there wasn't
> any alternative.
Ian Clarke skrev:
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Florent Daignière
> wrote:
>
>> I don't care what you'd say. You are pushing for infrastructure changes
>> to be made: you are the one making demands here. The policy is what it
>> is: special cases suck and should be avoided. It's not like t
On Friday 12 December 2008 23:56, Ian Clarke wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Florent Daignière
> wrote:
> > I don't care what you'd say. You are pushing for infrastructure changes
> > to be made: you are the one making demands here. The policy is what it
> > is: special cases suck and sh
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Florent Daignière
wrote:
> I don't care what you'd say. You are pushing for infrastructure changes
> to be made: you are the one making demands here. The policy is what it
> is: special cases suck and should be avoided. It's not like there wasn't
> any alternative.
> I'm not really trying to discuss how the builds should be signed
> (another discussion really),
No, it's not. THEY SHOULD NOT BE SIGNED ON EMU EITHER! and it's not
because we are doing it wrong at the moment that we should extend the
"bad" behaviour.
> but trying to figure out why you can sign
On Friday 12 December 2008 02:14, Florent Daigni?re wrote:
>
> > I'm not throwing sarcastic comments at you just because I don't agree
> > with you.
>
> Most of the questions you are asking have already been asked, debated
> and answered in the past. I am pissed to see that the project is doing
On Friday 12 December 2008 02:14, Florent Daignière wrote:
>
> > I'm not throwing sarcastic comments at you just because I don't agree
> > with you.
>
> Most of the questions you are asking have already been asked, debated
> and answered in the past. I am pissed to see that the project is doing
Florent Daigni?re skrev:
> * Zero3 [2008-12-12 02:28:18]:
>
>
>> Florent Daigni?re skrev:
>>
>>> * Zero3 [2008-12-12 01:48:40]:
>>>
>>>
>>>
Florent Daigni?re skrev:
> * Zero3 [2008-12-11 19:18:30]:
>
>
>
>>>
Florent Daigni?re skrev:
> * Zero3 [2008-12-12 02:06:54]:
>
>
>> Florent Daigni?re skrev:
>>
>>> * Matthew Toseland [2008-12-12 00:06:31]:
>>>
>>>
>>>
On Thursday 11 December 2008 23:46, Florent Daigni?re wrote:
> * Zero3 [2008-12-11 19:18:30]:
Florent Daigni?re skrev:
> * Zero3 [2008-12-12 01:48:40]:
>
>
>> Florent Daigni?re skrev:
>>
>>> * Zero3 [2008-12-11 19:18:30]:
>>>
>>>
> Disadvantages:
> - Have to do some work on emu.
>
>
>>> That alone is a good reason why *not* to do it. I d
* Zero3 [2008-12-12 02:28:18]:
> Florent Daigni?re skrev:
> > * Zero3 [2008-12-12 01:48:40]:
> >
> >
> >> Florent Daigni?re skrev:
> >>
> >>> * Zero3 [2008-12-11 19:18:30]:
> >>>
> >>>
> > Disadvantages:
> > - Have to do some work on emu.
> >
> >
Florent Daigni?re skrev:
> * Matthew Toseland [2008-12-12 00:06:31]:
>
>
>> On Thursday 11 December 2008 23:46, Florent Daigni?re wrote:
>>
>>> * Zero3 [2008-12-11 19:18:30]:
>>>
>>>
> Disadvantages:
> - Have to do some work on emu.
>
>>> That alone is a good
Florent Daigni?re skrev:
> * Zero3 [2008-12-11 19:18:30]:
>
>>> Disadvantages:
>>> - Have to do some work on emu.
>>>
>
> That alone is a good reason why *not* to do it. I don't see why
> installers should be auto-built nor built from emu for that matter.
>
Investing time is a necess
* Zero3 [2008-12-12 02:06:54]:
> Florent Daigni?re skrev:
> > * Matthew Toseland [2008-12-12 00:06:31]:
> >
> >
> >> On Thursday 11 December 2008 23:46, Florent Daigni?re wrote:
> >>
> >>> * Zero3 [2008-12-11 19:18:30]:
> >>>
> >>>
> > Disadvantages:
> > - Have to do some
* Zero3 [2008-12-12 01:48:40]:
> Florent Daigni?re skrev:
> > * Zero3 [2008-12-11 19:18:30]:
> >
> >>> Disadvantages:
> >>> - Have to do some work on emu.
> >>>
> >
> > That alone is a good reason why *not* to do it. I don't see why
> > installers should be auto-built nor built from em
* Matthew Toseland [2008-12-12 00:06:31]:
> On Thursday 11 December 2008 23:46, Florent Daigni?re wrote:
> > * Zero3 [2008-12-11 19:18:30]:
> >
> > > > Disadvantages:
> > > > - Have to do some work on emu.
> >
> > That alone is a good reason why *not* to do it. I don't see why
> > installers s
On Thursday 11 December 2008 23:46, Florent Daigni?re wrote:
> * Zero3 [2008-12-11 19:18:30]:
>
> > > Disadvantages:
> > > - Have to do some work on emu.
>
> That alone is a good reason why *not* to do it. I don't see why
> installers should be auto-built nor built from emu for that matter.
I b
* Zero3 [2008-12-11 19:18:30]:
> > Disadvantages:
> > - Have to do some work on emu.
That alone is a good reason why *not* to do it. I don't see why
installers should be auto-built nor built from emu for that matter.
> > - Very few of the developers run Windows, or are familiar with AHK, so if
On Thursday 11 December 2008 23:39, Florent Daigni?re wrote:
> * Matthew Toseland [2008-12-11 16:47:23]:
>
> > Zero3 has been working on a simple, fast windows-specific installer using
> > AutoHotKey.
>
> Good for him
>
> > AHK is GPL, runs well under Wine according to winehq, and has a
> > c
* Matthew Toseland [2008-12-11 16:47:23]:
> Zero3 has been working on a simple, fast windows-specific installer using
> AutoHotKey.
Good for him
> AHK is GPL, runs well under Wine according to winehq, and has a
> command-line compiler. Wine can be built without the X libraries and does not
>
Matthew Toseland skrev:
> Zero3 has been working on a simple, fast windows-specific installer using
> AutoHotKey. AHK is GPL, runs well under Wine according to winehq, and has a
> command-line compiler. Wine can be built without the X libraries and does not
> need root privelidges. So this can b
Florent Daignière skrev:
> * Zero3 [2008-12-12 02:28:18]:
>
>
>> Florent Daignière skrev:
>>
>>> * Zero3 [2008-12-12 01:48:40]:
>>>
>>>
>>>
Florent Daignière skrev:
> * Zero3 [2008-12-11 19:18:30]:
>
>
>
>>>
Florent Daignière skrev:
> * Zero3 [2008-12-12 02:06:54]:
>
>
>> Florent Daignière skrev:
>>
>>> * Matthew Toseland [2008-12-12 00:06:31]:
>>>
>>>
>>>
On Thursday 11 December 2008 23:46, Florent Daignière wrote:
> * Zero3 [2008-12-11 19:18:30]:
* Zero3 [2008-12-12 02:28:18]:
> Florent Daignière skrev:
> > * Zero3 [2008-12-12 01:48:40]:
> >
> >
> >> Florent Daignière skrev:
> >>
> >>> * Zero3 [2008-12-11 19:18:30]:
> >>>
> >>>
> > Disadvantages:
> > - Have to do some work on emu.
> >
> >
* Zero3 [2008-12-12 02:06:54]:
> Florent Daignière skrev:
> > * Matthew Toseland [2008-12-12 00:06:31]:
> >
> >
> >> On Thursday 11 December 2008 23:46, Florent Daignière wrote:
> >>
> >>> * Zero3 [2008-12-11 19:18:30]:
> >>>
> >>>
> > Disadvantages:
> > - Have to do some
Florent Daignière skrev:
> * Zero3 [2008-12-12 01:48:40]:
>
>
>> Florent Daignière skrev:
>>
>>> * Zero3 [2008-12-11 19:18:30]:
>>>
>>>
> Disadvantages:
> - Have to do some work on emu.
>
>
>>> That alone is a good reason why *not* to do it. I d
* Zero3 [2008-12-12 01:48:40]:
> Florent Daignière skrev:
> > * Zero3 [2008-12-11 19:18:30]:
> >
> >>> Disadvantages:
> >>> - Have to do some work on emu.
> >>>
> >
> > That alone is a good reason why *not* to do it. I don't see why
> > installers should be auto-built nor built from em
Florent Daignière skrev:
> * Matthew Toseland [2008-12-12 00:06:31]:
>
>
>> On Thursday 11 December 2008 23:46, Florent Daignière wrote:
>>
>>> * Zero3 [2008-12-11 19:18:30]:
>>>
>>>
> Disadvantages:
> - Have to do some work on emu.
>
>>> That alone is a good
Florent Daignière skrev:
> * Zero3 [2008-12-11 19:18:30]:
>
>>> Disadvantages:
>>> - Have to do some work on emu.
>>>
>
> That alone is a good reason why *not* to do it. I don't see why
> installers should be auto-built nor built from emu for that matter.
>
Investing time is a necess
Zero3 has been working on a simple, fast windows-specific installer using
AutoHotKey. AHK is GPL, runs well under Wine according to winehq, and has a
command-line compiler. Wine can be built without the X libraries and does not
need root privelidges. So this can be done under a single restricted
* Matthew Toseland [2008-12-12 00:06:31]:
> On Thursday 11 December 2008 23:46, Florent Daignière wrote:
> > * Zero3 [2008-12-11 19:18:30]:
> >
> > > > Disadvantages:
> > > > - Have to do some work on emu.
> >
> > That alone is a good reason why *not* to do it. I don't see why
> > installers s
On Thursday 11 December 2008 23:46, Florent Daignière wrote:
> * Zero3 [2008-12-11 19:18:30]:
>
> > > Disadvantages:
> > > - Have to do some work on emu.
>
> That alone is a good reason why *not* to do it. I don't see why
> installers should be auto-built nor built from emu for that matter.
I b
On Thursday 11 December 2008 23:39, Florent Daignière wrote:
> * Matthew Toseland [2008-12-11 16:47:23]:
>
> > Zero3 has been working on a simple, fast windows-specific installer using
> > AutoHotKey.
>
> Good for him
>
> > AHK is GPL, runs well under Wine according to winehq, and has a
> > c
* Zero3 [2008-12-11 19:18:30]:
> > Disadvantages:
> > - Have to do some work on emu.
That alone is a good reason why *not* to do it. I don't see why
installers should be auto-built nor built from emu for that matter.
> > - Very few of the developers run Windows, or are familiar with AHK, so if
* Matthew Toseland [2008-12-11 16:47:23]:
> Zero3 has been working on a simple, fast windows-specific installer using
> AutoHotKey.
Good for him
> AHK is GPL, runs well under Wine according to winehq, and has a
> command-line compiler. Wine can be built without the X libraries and does not
>
Matthew Toseland skrev:
> Zero3 has been working on a simple, fast windows-specific installer using
> AutoHotKey. AHK is GPL, runs well under Wine according to winehq, and has a
> command-line compiler. Wine can be built without the X libraries and does not
> need root privelidges. So this can b
Zero3 has been working on a simple, fast windows-specific installer using
AutoHotKey. AHK is GPL, runs well under Wine according to winehq, and has a
command-line compiler. Wine can be built without the X libraries and does not
need root privelidges. So this can be done under a single restricted
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