[digitalradio] Re: Digital Voice: Some thoughts after one week.

2006-10-09 Thread Ed Hekman
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Hekman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I found the specifications. The spec used for broadcast DRM can be > found here: > > http://webapp.etsi.org/exchangefolder/es_201980v020101p.pdf > > The WinDRM spec can be found here: > > http://www.qslnet.de/memb

Re: [digitalradio] Re: BPL-Busting Modes/Techniques

2006-10-09 Thread kd4e
> Looks like its working better now... > >73,Dave, AA6YQ I'm like the old cheap 60's Japanese AM portable radios. When they didn't work quite right you gave them a sharp rap to shake the excess wax out of a pot or variable cap! Time for my recharge cycle, e, beauty rest. Zzz

[digitalradio] Re: BPL-Busting Modes/Techniques

2006-10-09 Thread Dave Bernstein
Looks like its working better now... 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, kd4e <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Think outside the technological box. > > There are few unique patterns of human behavior. > > Bonnie accused the ARRL technical folks of being > deceptive abo

Re: [digitalradio] Re: BPL-Busting Modes/Techniques

2006-10-09 Thread kd4e
Think outside the technological box. There are few unique patterns of human behavior. Bonnie accused the ARRL technical folks of being deceptive about the possibilities of BPL-busting technology, she gave no reason for their behavior. I was drawing a current events parallel as to why sometimes d

Re: [digitalradio] Re: New file uploaded to digitalradio

2006-10-09 Thread KV9U
I have to agree with Andy. It has the mellower sound due to the wider frequency response, but it has the odd digital sound at times. For those of you who are active with D-Star, do you find this to be the case, even with the high data rates? I have heard some comments (complaints?) about the 2

[digitalradio] Re: BPL-Busting Modes/Techniques

2006-10-09 Thread Dave Bernstein
Sorry, Andy. KD4E is an experimental AI application I've been developing. The recent HP spying scandal combined with a tract on religious freedom combined to expose a defect in its deduction module. Its fixed in the next release... 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com

Re: [digitalradio] Re: BPL-Busting Modes/Techniques

2006-10-09 Thread kd4e
> I assure you it is possible to make BPL-Busting Modes for ham radio. > Whether or not Mr. Hare and his ARRL buddies want hams to do it, and > are creating a smoke screen to discourage it, is technically moot. > Bonnie KQ6XA Some of this is strategic posturing, same as saying that "Islam is a rel

Re: [digitalradio] Re: BPL-Busting Modes/Techniques

2006-10-09 Thread Andrew O'Brien
What??? - Original Message - From: "kd4e" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > One could observe the same paradox about virtually > every religion on earth at certain moments in history > and/or in certain geo-political locales. > > The goal of the statement about peaceful Islam is > to em

Re: [digitalradio] Re: New file uploaded to digitalradio

2006-10-09 Thread Tony
Andy, You should upload your audio -- I think it's darn good! Tony KT2Q - Original Message - From: "Andrew O'Brien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 9:33 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: New file uploaded to digitalradio > AFter having a good QSO on DV and havin

[digitalradio] Re: New file uploaded to digitalradio

2006-10-09 Thread Andrew O'Brien
AFter having a good QSO on DV and having listened to the audio several times, I will take back what I said about the audio being "stunning". It is stunning the first time you hear it , compared to SSB analogue voice. It is NOT as good as VOIP such as Skype but still quite good. You can tell T

[digitalradio] Re: New file uploaded to digitalradio

2006-10-09 Thread Andrew O'Brien
This is a MP3 file with a minute of audio from KT2Q's digital voice signal on 40M. --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, digitalradio@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > Hello, > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the digitalradi

[digitalradio] New file uploaded to digitalradio

2006-10-09 Thread digitalradio
Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the digitalradio group. File: /Digital Voice/kt2q.mp3 Uploaded by : obrienaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Description : KT2Q Digital Voice QSO (WinDRM) You can access this fil

[digitalradio] QRV DV 00:25z

2006-10-09 Thread Tony
All: I'm QRV digital voice -- 14236.0 00:25z. Tony KT2Q Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussio

Re: [digitalradio] First DRM Reception

2006-10-09 Thread Tony
Jim >I just copied KT2Q calling CQ about 2128Z on 14236 USB. When I >did receive >DRM voice I was hearing a mixture of the voice and the >noise input to the >sound card. You need to mute the MIC audio on your sound card. That will stop the WinDRM digital signal from making it to your PC speake

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Digital Voice: Some thoughts after one week.

2006-10-09 Thread KV9U
It is not so much that the package is different between voice and text modes, but rather, the amount of data flowing through the link in a given amount of time. In order to have voice transmissions with good intelligibility and no breaks in the signal, you need a VERY robust data link. The Win

[digitalradio] Re: BPL-Busting Modes/Techniques

2006-10-09 Thread jgorman01
I think Ed made my argument much more succintly than I did. The only thing he forgot was how any "whitespace/holes" in frequency or time would be synchronized at both ends of a conversation. It does no good to sync your transmissions to these "whitespace/holes" in your end when the person on the

[digitalradio] Re: Digital voice tonight

2006-10-09 Thread Andrew O'Brien
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > All: > > I'll be QRV on Digital Voice tonight starting at 2330z (Monday Oct, 9). If > anyone would like to sked, I'll be in-and-out of the shack till 0600z. > > 73 Tony KT2Q > I'll wander between 7296 , 7291 kHz USB 7

[digitalradio] Re: Digital Voice: Some thoughts after one week.

2006-10-09 Thread Ed Hekman
I found the specifications. The spec used for broadcast DRM can be found here: http://webapp.etsi.org/exchangefolder/es_201980v020101p.pdf The WinDRM spec can be found here: http://www.qslnet.de/member/hb9tlk/drm_h.html Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org

[digitalradio] Re: BPL-Busting Modes/Techniques

2006-10-09 Thread expeditionradio
Hi Rick, Respectfully, since I already had this dialogue with Mr. Hare, there is no sense in him repeating it through you, especially when he isn't around here to discuss it himself. But let me point out, that I personally have designed DSP-based products that do precisely what we are talking ab

[digitalradio] Re: Digital Voice: Some thoughts after one week.

2006-10-09 Thread Ed Hekman
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ed wrote: > > > Are there any communications engineers in this group that can > > give us some idea whether a useable quality digitized voice can be > > sent over a 2.5 KHz wide HF channel with SNR comparable to or less > t

[digitalradio] Test Results: Digital voice CODECS

2006-10-09 Thread Andrew O'Brien
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Roger Andy... > > I intend to do the same. I'm QRV on 14236.0 at 1445z > > Tony KT2Q > > Tony and I had a great QSO today using digital voice in WinDRM on 7228 during local morning, approximately 300 miles apart, both

RE: [digitalradio] BPL-Busting Modes/Techniques

2006-10-09 Thread Richard \(Rick\) Karlquist
> -Original Message- > From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of expeditionradio > Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 7:39 PM > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [digitalradio] BPL-Busting Modes/Techniques > > > BPL-Busting Modes/Techniques > > The D

Re: [digitalradio] Kantronics KAM

2006-10-09 Thread David Ackrill
ian parkinson wrote: > > I think the Kam etc are great, I had thought of hooking a couple up on > 466 Mhz and leave messages in a neighbours M.box for playing chess. Do you mean PMR446? If so, don't let the authorities catch you, as it's not legal to use anything other than voice on PMR446... (

Re: [digitalradio] Digital voice CODECS

2006-10-09 Thread Tony
Roger Andy... I intend to do the same. I'm QRV on 14236.0 at 1445z Tony KT2Q - Original Message - From: "Andrew O'Brien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 8:08 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Digital voice CODECS >I was copying Gerhard OE3GBB on Sunday when he switc

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Digital Voice: Some thoughts after one week.

2006-10-09 Thread Jose A. Amador
kd4e wrote: > I am puzzled as to why one digital signal works well under poor > signal conditions and another does not. You have to define "poor conditions" somehow. It may be noise, multipath, ionospheric doppler, fading, etc. Each one produces a different impairment, depending on the modulat

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Digital Voice: Some thoughts after one week.

2006-10-09 Thread kd4e
> Even though I am not an engineer, we know from P-25 that digital voice > transmissions drop out before analog completely goes into the noise and > it is my understanding that the narrowest BW they use is 6.25 KHz. And > that is primarily for VHF/UHF frequencies that do not have the problems >

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Digital Voice: Some thoughts after one week.

2006-10-09 Thread Jose A. Amador
Tony wrote: > Ed wrote: > > > Are there any communications engineers in this group that can give > > us some idea whether a useable quality digitized voice can be sent > > over a 2.5 KHz wide HF channel with SNR comparable to or less > > > than what is required for analog voice? > > I was thinki

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Digital Voice: Some thoughts after one week.

2006-10-09 Thread KV9U
Even though I am not an engineer, we know from P-25 that digital voice transmissions drop out before analog completely goes into the noise and it is my understanding that the narrowest BW they use is 6.25 KHz. And that is primarily for VHF/UHF frequencies that do not have the problems we have o

Re: [digitalradio] Re: 80M DV freq

2006-10-09 Thread KV9U
Yep, that I knew, as I have used this for other types of interfacing with voice and it worked fine. I did expect some bits and pieces coming through once in a while from the speakers, but never did hear anything even though it would "light" up all the states and even do an MSC lock for brief pe

RE: [digitalradio] Digital voice CODECS

2006-10-09 Thread John Champa
Andrew, Do you recall the name of the non-MELP CODEC? It will be interesting to see if less SNR is needed. Thanks for the post! 73, John - K8OCL >From: "Andrew O'Brien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [digitalradio] Digi

[digitalradio] Digital voice CODECS

2006-10-09 Thread Andrew O'Brien
I was copying Gerhard OE3GBB on Sunday when he switched from MELP to another codec to help a person that could not use MELP. The non-MELP codec was no where near as good as MELP but still quite good. I did not notice if it took less SNR but will play around today with the different codecs.

Re: [digitalradio] Kantronics KAM

2006-10-09 Thread ian parkinson
nope, I got a Kam about $10 last year conversion from UK money to dollars, nobody wants packet radio tnc's but the other multimode tnc's like the pk232 mbx are still trying to be sold at high prices...   I think the Kam etc are great, I had thought of hooking a couple up on 466 Mhz and leave m

RE: [digitalradio] Re: 80M DV freq

2006-10-09 Thread Dave Corio
Title: Message     When you set the slider for the mic (or line) input, you have to be sure you're in the "recording" area and not the "playback". When you open the volume control from the taskbar, click on "Options", then "Properties", and check the box that says "Recording". This opens a