Re: [digitalradio] Ros Use in US ( Urgent )

2010-08-14 Thread Rik van Riel
On 08/13/2010 07:08 PM, Andy obrien wrote: WE9XLQ us not a valid USA callsign It may not be a ham callsign, but it is a valid callsign... EXPERIMENTAL SPECIAL TEMPORARY AUTHORIZATION CLASS of Station XD FX EMISSION Designator SK25J2D Experition 3:00 AM EST Jan 31 2011. Call Sign WE9XLQ --

Re: [digitalradio] Ros Use in US ( Urgent )

2010-08-13 Thread Andy obrien
WE9XLQ us not a valid USA callsign Andy On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com wrote: What ? On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Rein A rein...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Hello All, Mr. Ros has just corrected the statement on the official ROS Modem Website regarding

Re: [digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations

2010-08-04 Thread Steinar Aanesland
OK, Thanks for your answer :) LA5VNA Steinar On 03.08.2010 07:06, Tony wrote: Steinar, I've been monitoring ROS on-the-air and I've done some testing with the HF path simulator. In my opinion, it's about as good as one would expect from an MFSK mode with a relatively slow baud rate.

Re: [digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations

2010-08-02 Thread Tony
On 8/1/2010 7:31 AM, Steinar Aanesland wrote: Hi Tony Have you done some test comparing ros with mods like psk31 , rtty , olivia etc? Yes I have Steinar Tony -K2MO a5vna Steinar On 20.07.2010 03:42, Tony wrote: All, With all the attention ROS has been getting lately, I thought it

Re: [digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations

2010-08-02 Thread Steinar Aanesland
OK, is it public ? I can't find anything on digitalradio yahoogroup LA5VNA Steinar On 02.08.2010 12:58, Tony wrote: On 8/1/2010 7:31 AM, Steinar Aanesland wrote: Hi Tony Have you done some test comparing ros with mods like psk31 , rtty , olivia etc? Yes I have Steinar Tony -K2MO

Re: [digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations

2010-08-02 Thread Tony
Steinar, I've been monitoring ROS on-the-air and I've done some testing with the HF path simulator. In my opinion, it's about as good as one would expect from an MFSK mode with a relatively slow baud rate. Tests show that it will outperform RTTY and PSK31 in poor channel conditions (most MFSK

Re: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster - NOT

2010-07-23 Thread Laurie, VK3AMA
Hi Steinar, Unfortunately, v4.8.x of ROS still spams the DX Cluster with auto-spots. Only way to effectively stop is block adif.exe at the firewall. ROS Auto-Spots too Cluster currently represent 98% of all ROS Cluster spots, with ROS representing 6.2% of all Cluster spots (7 day period). As

Re: [digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations wide vs. narrow

2010-07-21 Thread KH6TY
Thanks for the testing Tony. We observe Doppler shifts of as much as 100 Hz and Doppler spreads around 50 Hz or greater. On SSB phone, a S3 signal will not be intelligible and you can hear the voice pitch go down in a fluttering manner. ROS definitely produces nothing but garbage when SSB

Re: [digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations wide vs. narrow

2010-07-20 Thread KH6TY
Tony, Our on-air tests show that ROS 16 baud, 2200 Hz wide spread spectrum was very poor on UHF under Doppler spreading. Can you confirm this with flutter tests like Jaak has done on http://contestia.blogspot.com/p/pathsim_09.html ? 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/19/2010 9:42 PM, Tony wrote: All,

Re: [digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations wide vs. narrow

2010-07-20 Thread Tony
On 7/20/2010 3:54 PM, KH6TY wrote: Our on-air tests show that ROS 16 baud, 2200 Hz wide spread spectrum was very poor on UHF under Doppler spreading. Can you confirm this with flutter tests like Jaak has done. Skip, My path tests show that ROS is less tolerant to Doppler spread than Olivia

Re: [digitalradio] ROS vs RTTY

2010-07-18 Thread Steinar Aanesland
Well, old modes like rtty has its charm, but as the ultimate contest mode it makes more trouble for the ham community when it is flooding the hole band, than fix frequency modes like ROS. The only problem with ROS is its developer, with his strange behavior. la5vna Steinar On

Re: [digitalradio] ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-15 Thread Curt Givens
It would appear that what is does best is the continued mutilation of horse corpses. de Curt KC8STE/AAR5VR 73 --- On Wed, 7/14/10, J. Moen j...@jwmoen.com wrote: From: J. Moen j...@jwmoen.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS back bigger and better ! To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date

Re: [digitalradio] ROS Returns

2010-07-14 Thread F.R. Ashley
Whats so dang fantastic about ROS anyway, that it deserves pages and pages of emails about it? Remember that other new digital mode a few months ago, and how great it was, or have you forgotten abouit it already? 73 Buddy WB4M RTTY forever - Original Message - From: Steinar Aanesland

Re: [digitalradio] ROS Returns

2010-07-14 Thread James Hall
What mode are you talking about? I'm interested. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:59 PM, F.R. Ashley gda...@clearwire.net wrote: Whats so dang fantastic about ROS anyway, that it deserves pages and pages of emails about it? Remember that other new digital mode a few months ago, and how great it

Re: [digitalradio] ROS back bigger and better !

2010-07-14 Thread J. Moen
Your Subject says ROS is better. Where can I read about the changes and improvements? Can users control whether ROS should generate the artificial spots? Jim - K6JM - Original Message - From: Peter L. Jackson To: * Digitalradio Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 6:37 PM

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-11 Thread James Hall
Google to learn that expression. -Original Message- From: James Hall hall.jam...@gmail.com hall.jamesr%40gmail.com Sent: Jul 8, 2010 4:00 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC Looks like

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-11 Thread rein0zn
://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosmodemusa/ Not very popular just 18 subscribers ( almost 4000 here ) 73 Rein W6SZ http://www.nitehawk.com/rasmit/ -Original Message- From: James Hall hall.jam...@gmail.com Sent: Jul 9, 2010 11:09 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS

Re: [digitalradio] ROS Developer will continue to auto-spot despite complaints

2010-07-10 Thread Dave Wright
Just goes to show that he reads the boards and keeps track of what is going on. Now, how easy would it be to program a button to disable the function with one toggle in the software? Very easy! Then he could open it to everyone to decide whether they want the reporting or not. Since he won't

Re: [digitalradio] ROS Developer will continue to auto-spot despite complaints

2010-07-10 Thread Laurie, VK3AMA
With this action (or inaction) from Mr ROS and considering all of his past actions/comments it becomes clear (to me) that he has an agenda and Hams are being used as beta-testers to help fulfil his ultimate goal. He has shown several times an unwillingness to embrace Ham Spirit and Ham

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-09 Thread James Hall
Looks like this is a DX Cluster server available on the Internet running a software package called DXSpider. http://wiki.dxcluster.org/index.php/Main_Page Doesn't seem to be nefarious at all to me. Telnet in, give your callsign and it'll start giving you info. I have no clue how to read this but

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-09 Thread rein0zn
: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC Looks like this is a DX Cluster server available on the Internet running a software package called DXSpider. http://wiki.dxcluster.org/index.php/Main_Page Doesn't seem to be nefarious at all to me. Telnet in, give your callsign and it'll start giving you info

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-09 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
At 08:58 AM 7/9/2010, you wrote: extremely wicked; nefarious schemes; a villainous plot; a villainous band of thieves Rein are you trying to tell us that NONE of this never happened ? The list of banned, and other thing that have been posted that this program has been said to do. This

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-09 Thread rein0zn
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC At 08:58 AM 7/9/2010, you wrote: extremely wicked; nefarious schemes; a villainous plot; a villainous band of thieves Rein are you trying to tell us that NONE of this never happened ? The list of banned, and other thing that have been

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-09 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
Sorry Rein - Please forgive as that was about the time I was having big time computer problems. Lost a bunch of emails. what was that my final question again. John, W0JAB

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-09 Thread rein0zn
- From: John Becker, WØJAB w0...@big-river.net Sent: Jul 9, 2010 1:14 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC Sorry Rein - Please forgive as that was about the time I was having big time computer problems. Lost a bunch of emails. what

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-09 Thread Rud Merriam
/ -Original Message- From: rein...@ix.netcom.com [mailto:rein...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 12:43 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC OK John. Understood. Did it work on your computer? Did it work

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-09 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
After loading a updated version as he said that everyone needed to do. After entering my call it would not work. Just like others have posted that they could no longer use it. I have not tried it again and will not try it. Touch a hot stove and get burned one will not touch it again. I will

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-09 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
I think many would like to have a answer once and for all on this issue if some have been banned from using the software. John, W0JAB digitalradio co moderator At 12:54 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote: Could this ROS discussion be taken offline or elsewhere? I expect others, like I, are sick of the

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-09 Thread rein0zn
: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC I think many would like to have a answer once and for all on this issue if some have been banned from using the software. John, W0JAB digitalradio co moderator At 12:54 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote: Could this ROS discussion be taken offline

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-09 Thread rein0zn
-river.net Sent: Jul 9, 2010 2:18 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC I think many would like to have a answer once and for all on this issue if some have been banned from using the software. John, W0JAB digitalradio co moderator At 12:54

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-09 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
At 01:44 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote: John, Who is Andy, K3UK? Andy is the list owner. And yes anyone can discuss ROS at any point and time. And many are still looking for an answer of why some (at one point or another) was banned from using the program. Now you seem to be a spokesperson for

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-09 Thread Dave AA6YQ
[mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of rein...@ix.netcom.com Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:59 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC John, Why not give it a serious try? It's is worth getting to the bottom of this or perhaps

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-09 Thread Dave Wright
The discussion of the persona-non-grata list was started here: http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=239742highlight=ros. It starts getting pretty interesting around page 4 or 5. In March, the list consisted of the following calls: *

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-09 Thread Jeff Moore
to be involved. Please let me just play. I am tired, don't bother me 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: John Becker, WØJAB w0...@big-river.net Sent: Jul 9, 2010 2:18 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC I think many would

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-09 Thread Dave AA6YQ
AA6YQ comments below -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of John Becker, WOJAB Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 3:01 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC And many

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-09 Thread mikea
On Fri, Jul 09, 2010 at 12:47:51PM -0700, Jeff Moore wrote: As for the 3000 people that are being quiet on this list, how much of that is that they don't want to be singled out by a psychotic non-ham software author for inclusion in his list?? This is my first -- and, I hope, my last -- post

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-09 Thread rein0zn
issues related to digital modes? A digital mode with a list of banned calls? 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Dave AA6YQ aa...@ambersoft.com Sent: Jul 9, 2010 3:52 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC AA6YQ comments below

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-09 Thread rein0zn
: mikea mi...@mikea.ath.cx Sent: Jul 9, 2010 4:11 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC On Fri, Jul 09, 2010 at 12:47:51PM -0700, Jeff Moore wrote: As for the 3000 people that are being quiet on this list, how much of that is that they don't

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-09 Thread rein0zn
Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Jeff Moore tnetcen...@gmail.com Sent: Jul 9, 2010 3:47 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC Given the author's animosity toward certain hams, the fact that he stated he was doing a persona non

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-09 Thread Dave AA6YQ
AA6YQ comments below -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of rein...@ix.netcom.com Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 4:31 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC Hi

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-09 Thread rein0zn
-Original Message- From: John Becker, WØJAB w0...@big-river.net Sent: Jul 9, 2010 3:01 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC At 01:44 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote: John, Who is Andy, K3UK? Andy is the list owner. And yes

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-09 Thread rein0zn
AA6YQ aa...@ambersoft.com Sent: Jul 9, 2010 5:16 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC AA6YQ comments below -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of rein

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-08 Thread rein0zn
Hello Steinar, Are you telling me that people are sending those calls to the cluster and then from there end up at the HAMSPOTS site, and never actually use those calls in transmissions? Just noticed a call sign from somebody, some 25 miles from here, logged on the Twente WEBSDR! 73 Rein

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-08 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
At 02:28 PM 7/8/2010, you wrote: Hi Rain You have absolutely right . ROS are sending data from your PC to the cluster. Try to type the IP address 90.225.73.203:8000 into your browser and you get this: Why would it telnet to an IP address in Sweden?

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-08 Thread rein0zn
...@broadpark.no Sent: Jul 8, 2010 4:25 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC Yes , that is what is seems to me Rein. Let me try to explain the in my Norwegian English. Lest assume you are on mister ROS's hate list, but what to test the software i

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-08 Thread rein0zn
: Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no Sent: Jul 8, 2010 4:25 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC Yes , that is what is seems to me Rein. Let me try to explain the in my Norwegian English. Lest assume you are on mister ROS's hate list

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

2010-07-08 Thread Laurie, VK3AMA
I finally installed ROS and it triggered my firewall trying to connect to 109.72.112.37 port 7300. I did a Telnet, it is Cluster Node US6IQ-1 Today I again started ROS and this time the firewall triggered on ROS connecting to 82.182.70.198 port 8000, which is Cluster Node SM6YOU-2 I have

Re: [digitalradio] ROS on 40 meters

2010-07-05 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
If I download a new version I will NOT be able to use the program. For a unknown reason I was one of the people that Jose has seen unfit to use it. That was the reason I had to beg for a earlier venison of it. But thanks for your reply. At 03:50 PM 7/5/2010, you wrote: If you download

Re: [digitalradio] ROS on 40 meters

2010-07-05 Thread phil g
I'm bored, so I'll bite. It is my understanding that in the US, ROS is only allowed above 222Mhz. On 40M, you would be held to SWL status. You should find it around 7.053 to 7.056. phil n4zsa - Original Message - From: John Becker, WØJAB To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent:

Re: [digitalradio] ROS on 40 meters

2010-07-05 Thread Dave
And I would recommend that anyone wanting to use ROS should be required to read this thread on QRZ which highlights some of the shadier aspects of this program. http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php...highlight=ros And of course, you can search the archives of this mailing list for

Re: [digitalradio] ROS 10 meters

2010-06-04 Thread Wes Linscott
And cause QRM in the beacon subband... So much for the Gentlemen's Agreement! Wes W1LIC From: Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com To: digitalradio digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 7:42:58 PM Subject: [digitalradio] ROS 10 meters FYI Changes on

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

2010-06-03 Thread Rik van Riel
On 06/02/2010 12:15 PM, Steinar Aanesland wrote: let's forget about this Mr. Ros without manners and his new a Yahoo list. There is a lot of decent programmers out there, making excellent HAM software. Mr. Ros is not worth the attention he and he's frequency-hopping spread spectrum software

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

2010-06-02 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
Rein Really don't know what to say at this point. Still trying to understand why my call was added to the list of calls not able to use the ROS program. But since Jose will not say I'll just move on to things other then ROS. But I'm not the only one that this has happen to. No big deal I have

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

2010-06-02 Thread rein0zn
: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP Rein Really don't know what to say at this point. Still trying to understand why my call was added to the list of calls not able to use the ROS program. But since Jose will not say I'll just move on to things other then ROS. But I'm not the only one

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

2010-06-02 Thread Steinar Aanesland
@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP Rein Don't take it personal. For some reason even I got on his bad list. I did ask but never got an answer. Not sure but I think someone has been feeding bad info to him. Think he was told that I has said something that I really

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

2010-06-02 Thread rein0zn
Dear Steinar, Very true. 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Steinar Aanesland saa...@broadpark.no Sent: Jun 2, 2010 4:15 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP Hi Rein let's forget about this Mr. Ros without manners and his new

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

2010-06-02 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
No need to worry from being banned from this list from me. That's not my style of moderating. Yes I can no longer use ROS for some reason. I did ask but that went unanswered. All I know is that he posted a updated version and when ask for my call the program would shut down if I recall. Never

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

2010-06-02 Thread Dave Sparks
- Original Message - But since I have it on a flash drive I did install it on the laptop and gave it a call other then my call and it worked fine. What do you think? I think even Ray Charles could see that. Jose, if I'm wrong in any way - feel free to jump in here and make any

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

2010-06-02 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
I think that is what I said below now in RED By my call I mean W0JAB At 12:44 PM 6/2/2010, you wrote: - Original Message - But since I have it on a flash drive I did install it on the laptop and gave it a call other then my call and it worked fine. What do you think? I think

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

2010-06-02 Thread Dave Sparks
, WØJAB To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP I think that is what I said below now in RED By my call I mean W0JAB At 12:44 PM 6/2/2010, you wrote: - Original Message

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

2010-06-02 Thread rein0zn
/decode it under all circumstances 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: Dave Sparks dspa...@pobox.com Sent: Jun 2, 2010 2:14 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP Oops, I missed that. What I *THOUGHT* you were saying is that you tried

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

2010-06-02 Thread Dave Sparks
Spread Spectrum. -- Dave - AF6AS -- From: rein...@ix.netcom.com Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:01 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP Hello Dave, AF6AS, IIRC what does it stand for? There has

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

2010-06-02 Thread rein0zn
@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP IIRC = if I remember correctly. The documentation issue stemmed from someone who complained that PACTOR, and maybe other digital modes, could be considered codes or cyphers, and the FCC ruled that they weren't because they were

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

2010-06-02 Thread Dave Sparks
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP Hello Dave, AF6AS, IIRC what does it stand for? There has to be enough information to at least reverse-engineer a mode by the FCC (and the NSA). Is that documented somewhere, not that I want to question

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

2010-06-02 Thread Dave Sparks
:34 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP Hello Dave, Don't sse ypou much anymore on HF WSJT ,changes in antenna? OK and thanks. I contacted the people in VA and they replied right away. telling me that they had stopped the mode

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

2010-06-02 Thread Trevor .
--- On Wed, 2/6/10, Dave Sparks dspa...@pobox.com wrote: Found the section.  It is 97.309(a)(4) of the code: http://www.arrl.org/technical-characteristics The reverse-engineering part is an inference on my part. No chance of reverse-engineering Pactor III from the information provided.

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

2010-06-01 Thread rein0zn
. ( And Dave (G0DJA ) is your spam bin sufficient empty ) 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- From: John Becker, WØJAB w0...@big-river.net Sent: Jun 1, 2010 6:51 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP Rein Don't take it personal. For some

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MF-7 IS OUT THERE ! (And less than 100 Hz wide)

2010-05-15 Thread Andy obrien
good news, nice to see this mode make good progress. Andy K3UK On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 9:53 AM, graham787 g0...@hotmail.com wrote: After a series of successful test transmissions, the latest version of ROS-3-6-1 (at the moment) now has the MF mode included , this allows live key board

Re: [digitalradio] Ros posts rebuttal of Olivia / Ros test results

2010-03-23 Thread KH6TY
Perhaps Tony, K2MO, can make some pathsim comparisons of ROS 8 baud with Olivia 32-1000. 73 - Skip KH6TY g4ilo wrote: http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/the-ros-numbers http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/the-ros-numbers Julian, G4ILO

RE: [digitalradio] ROS on UHF

2010-03-21 Thread Simon HB9DRV
There's a lot more to Olivia than being multi-tone MFSK. A fairer comparison with a new mode such as ROS would be MFSK as the features of Olivia that make it so very robust could (should) be added at a later date. To put it simply Olivia hunts for the best signal it can decode and has

Re: [digitalradio] ROS on UHF

2010-03-21 Thread KH6TY
Simon HB9DRV wrote: There's a lot more to Olivia than being multi-tone MFSK. I am aware of that, Simon. However, Olivia is currently the most popular digital mode other than PSK31 and RTTY, and the question was if ROS 16 baud was worth using twice the bandwidth of Olivia. We hoped that

Re: [digitalradio] ROS on UHF]

2010-03-21 Thread w2xj
If there were documentation on ROS then there would the possibility of investigating the problem further and maybe adding improvements. Part of the problem is that even if there is a large degree of spreading compared to the data rate, the channel is still quite narrow and a large portion of

Re: [digitalradio] ROS on UHF]

2010-03-21 Thread KH6TY
Based on observations of the tones on the waterfall on the air, compared to observing them locally, and hearing the raucous tones compared to bell-like quality locally, my guess is that perhaps the modulation is disturbed or the tones moved in frequency far enough so there is no decoding. If

Re: [digitalradio] ROS on UHF]]

2010-03-21 Thread w2xj
Yes but at UHF there seems to not be enough spread to tolerate the Doppler shift. If the frequencies were further apart, and were received through a wider window, the Doppler would be tolerated better but at what penalty in noise? I can think of a few ways to solve your problem but not with

Re: [digitalradio] ROS update

2010-03-05 Thread Bob John
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS update KH6TY wrote: Unfortunately, it appears that ROS is actually FHSS, as originally described on the ROS website, and therefore is not legal for US hams below 222MHz. :-( I think that I now no longer

Re: [digitalradio] ROS controversy

2010-03-05 Thread KH6TY
Good riddance! 73 - Skip KH6TY John wrote: Andy, since you have chosen to moderate very specific posts to slant the discussion in favor of your own agenda, and that of several prominent other frequent posters, this reflector has become effectively useless to me. It is unfortunate that

Re: [digitalradio] ROS controversy

2010-03-05 Thread KH6TY
Are you on a witch hunt, John? I did nothing but analyze ROS with FSK and present the findings to this group. On the basis of the ROS emissions, all other facts brought up here that you allude to are irrelevant. The signature of the ROS mode clearly fits the definition of Frequency Hopping

Re: [digitalradio] ROS

2010-03-04 Thread Alan J. Wilson
Thank you, now we know truth. Guess I better stay clear of it till the determination is officially posted...73, Alan Earlier this morning, I called the FCC to confirm the FCC: ROS LEGAL IN USA assertion made in http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/ http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/ I asked for

Re: [digitalradio] ROS operating frequencies on 20m

2010-03-04 Thread KH6TY
Julian, In the US, the RTTY/data segment of 20m stops at 14.150. 73 - Skip KH6TY g4ilo wrote: Can anything be done to get the recommended frequencies for ROS on 20m shifted out of the 14.101 - 14.109 range that already has established users of other modes? On my band plan, 14.101 and

Re: [digitalradio] ROS operating frequencies on 20m

2010-03-04 Thread Dave Ackrill
KH6TY wrote: Julian, In the US, the RTTY/data segment of 20m stops at 14.150. The current UK band plans can be found at http://www.rsgb.org/spectrumforum/bandplans/ There's an online version and an Excel version that you can download. Dave (G0DJA)

Re: [digitalradio] ROS UHF net February 6 1230 UTC

2010-03-04 Thread Andy obrien
ooops, I meant MARCH 6th On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 5:16 PM, obrienaj k3uka...@gmail.com wrote: I will be on 432.090 mHz this Saturday Feb 6 at 1230 UTC . listening and testing ROS 1 and 16. If interested, check in to the K3Uk Sked page http://www.obriensweb.com/sked/

Re: [digitalradio] ROS UHF net February 6 1230 UTC

2010-03-04 Thread Dave Sparks
I take it you mean MARCH 6th? -- Dave Sparks - AF6AS - Original Message - From: obrienaj k3uka...@gmail.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:16 PM Subject: [digitalradio] ROS UHF net February 6 1230 UTC I will be on 432.090 mHz this Saturday Feb 6 at

Re: [digitalradio] ROS update

2010-03-04 Thread Steinar Aanesland
Jose, Is THIS really true: [T]he information contained on the ROS Web site was /not/ provided by the FCC. la5vna S On 04.03.2010 23:10, KH6TY wrote: Unfortunately, it appears that ROS is actually FHSS, as originally described on the ROS website, and therefore is not legal for US hams

Re: [digitalradio] ROS update

2010-03-04 Thread Dave Ackrill
KH6TY wrote: Unfortunately, it appears that ROS is actually FHSS, as originally described on the ROS website, and therefore is not legal for US hams below 222MHz. :-( I think that I now no longer care about whether ROS is, or is not, legal in the USA. I see that I am now subject to

Re: [digitalradio] ROS

2010-03-04 Thread Bob McGwier
Like my friend Alan, I am distressed by the shading of the meaning of lie. I believe we safely explain the short word LIE now by looking at an example. Bob N4HY On 3/3/2010 1:06 PM, Dave AA6YQ wrote: Earlier this morning, I called the FCC to confirm the FCC: ROS LEGAL IN USA assertion

Re: [digitalradio] ROS

2010-03-03 Thread charles standlee
I was about to call myself since I couldn't find anything on the FCC site about it, no ROS, no such case number no nothing. From: Dave AA6YQ aa...@ambersoft.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com; rosdigitalmodemgr...@yahoogroups.com Cc: Skip Teller KH6TY

RE: [digitalradio] ROS Soundcard select .. missing tx option for usb card

2010-03-02 Thread Luc Fontaine
Hi Dave, I have the same issue finally in Windows 7, I have to use 2.1.5 with soundcard set as default You’re not alone L Luc VE2FXL De : digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] De la part de graham787 Envoyé : 2 mars 2010 17:40 À :

Re: [digitalradio] ROS discussion - will it ever end

2010-03-01 Thread Marco IK1ODO -2
At 10:00 01-03-10, G4JNT wrote: rgh I agree 100% :-) - it has become a sterile discussion, IMHO. 73 - Marco IK1ODO / AI4YF

Re: [digitalradio] ROS discussion - will it ever end

2010-03-01 Thread Ian Wade G3NRW
From: IMR ac.tal...@btinternet.com Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 Time: 09:00:33 rgh I don't hink I can stand it any more and will just have to unsubscribe from this group.I originally joined it as being the author of the Data column in RSGB's RadCom, felt I ought to

Re: [digitalradio] ROS discussion - will it ever end

2010-03-01 Thread Laurie, VK3AMA
I propose we change this group name to the... ROS Roundabout. I keep seeing the same arguments from the same preple over and over. That reminds me of GroundHog Day the movie. :-) I am so over the whole discussion, not to mention the ops who insist on firing up ROS16 on 30m at 10141 right in

Re: [digitalradio] ROS Path Simulations

2010-03-01 Thread Andy obrien
Good tests, thanks Tony. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Tony d...@optonline.net wrote: All, I ran several path tests with ROS-16 and Olivia 2K this evening. The simulator showed that Olivia is about as sensitive as ROS when configured to run at the same baud rate, but it is not as

Re: [digitalradio] ROS Path Simulations

2010-03-01 Thread jose alberto nieto ros
Hi Tony, you will have to repeat the test next days when i improve lenght interleaver as I had expected :-) The first think i said about ROS is that minimize the power at the same character/minute rate, and that is just what you are tester :-). You cannot match Washl Function FEC with Viterbi

Re: [digitalradio] ROS Technical description for the FCC in the US

2010-02-28 Thread John B. Stephensen
There is a technical descrption at http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/. I doesn't describe the start and stop tone sequences or completely describe the mapping from the convolutional encoder to the 128 tones used for data. However, it's more compete than some of the technical specifications on the

Re: [digitalradio] ROS carrier pattern when idle

2010-02-26 Thread KH6TY
Alan, Of course, the FCC rules on SS are outdated and ROS should be allowed due to its narrow spreading range, but the road to success is not to just rename a spread spectrum modem to something else and try to fool the FCC. This is a sure way to lose the battle. The genie is already out of

Re: [digitalradio] ROS carrier pattern when idle

2010-02-26 Thread KH6TY
If MFSK16 was randomized would it magically become spread-spectrum? Alan, sorry I forgot to reply to this question. The answer is yes, but only if the following three conditions are ALL met (from the ROS documentation): 1. The signal occupies a bandwidth much in excess of the minimum

Re: [digitalradio] ROS carrier pattern when idle

2010-02-26 Thread KH6TY
things in this group. *De:* KH6TY kh...@comcast.net *Para:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Enviado:* vie,26 febrero, 2010 13:18 *Asunto:* Re: [digitalradio] ROS carrier pattern when idle If MFSK16 was randomized would

Re: [digitalradio] ROS carrier pattern when idle

2010-02-26 Thread jose alberto nieto ros
If you are waste time in try demostrate ROS is a SS, i think you are not trying help. De: KH6TY kh...@comcast.net Para: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Enviado: vie,26 febrero, 2010 14:36 Asunto: Re: [digitalradio] ROS carrier pattern when idle   jose alberto

Re: [digitalradio] ROS carrier pattern when idle

2010-02-26 Thread KH6TY
:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Enviado:* vie,26 febrero, 2010 14:36 *Asunto:* Re: [digitalradio] ROS carrier pattern when idle jose alberto nieto ros wrote: I propose to moderator you will be banned if you continue saying stupid things in this group. Moderated for stupidity? Now

Re: [digitalradio] ROS carrier pattern when idle

2010-02-26 Thread Warren Moxley
Skip, can you show some more spectral comparison examples? This time add the widest Olivia mode and other very wide modes. Thanks in advance, Warren - K5WGM --- On Fri, 2/26/10, KH6TY kh...@comcast.net wrote: From: KH6TY kh...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS carrier pattern when

Re: [digitalradio] ROS carrier pattern when idle

2010-02-26 Thread KH6TY
: Skip, can you show some more spectral comparison examples? This time add the widest Olivia mode and other very wide modes. Thanks in advance, Warren - K5WGM --- On *Fri, 2/26/10, KH6TY /kh...@comcast.net/* wrote: From: KH6TY kh...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS

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