aubuti wrote:
> Thanks philippe_44, cliveb and d6jg for the helpful ideas. The easiest
> to try would be feeding the analogue outputs back into the analogue
> inputs. I would think that the signal in from the Toslink should appear
> at the analogue outputs because their typical use
Thanks philippe_44, cliveb and d6jg for the helpful ideas. The easiest
to try would be feeding the analogue outputs back into the analogue
inputs. I would think that the signal in from the Toslink should appear
at the analogue outputs because their typical use is to feed a sub. The
Audioengine pe
cliveb wrote:
> How can swapping the speakers mess with the imaging given that their
> drive units are not offset? It simply doesn't make sense to me.
Maybe imaging isn't the best word here, but it would be playing the left
channel out of the speaker on the right and vice versa. I confess that
o
Here's an obscure question: Is there a way to reverse the L/R channels
on a digital optical (TOSlink) audio cable?
Here's why I ask. In one room I have a pair of Audioengine HD-6
self-powered speakers with an SB2 as the source. The left speaker is the
'master' with inputs, amp, DAC, etc. and the
wcndave wrote:
> The good news is I was able to set up my SB, however it would be great
> to have this runnable in windows.
It runs fine in Windows, but you need to install Perl first. The
community edition is free of charge -- see
http://www.activestate.com/activeperl
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wortgefecht wrote:
> Long story short: What is your mobile setup and what are your
> experiences with it?
I'll reciprocate and cut my long story short, thus sparing you the
step-by-step details of the full evolution from my 128MB Creative MuVo
(http://www.amazon.com/Creative-Labs-NOMAD-MuVo-Playe
Thanks for the pointer to Picky. It ticks both of the two boxes I set
out. It only lacks the car feature I listed as a bonus, but Cartunes and
several others can cover that.
The Picky app is $1.99 and seems worth it. Thanks.
-
But I don't want the old app. I want a new app, that works in iOS 8,
with a couple different features from the stock app.
I understand that all the momentum is toward streaming apps, social
media integration, smart playlists, etc. But I keep thinking someone out
there must appreciate the desire
Over the summer I got an iPhone 5s and am constantly appalled by how
limited the stock music player is. I've looked at a couple alternatives
and still haven't found the perfect solution. I have a 3rd generation
iPod Touch that is still back on iOS 4.x or something and the interface
on its music pl
I don't have LMS in front of me right now, but I think there is a link
to CLI documentation within the LMS web ui itself. Look under the bottom
twistie on the left-hand page.
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PasTim wrote:
> I listen almost exclusively to classical music, which tends to have a
> much wider dynamic range than other styles of music. I find it best if I
> choose the volume I want rather than relying on software to do it for me
> :)
That would argue against using track replaygain, agreed.
SlimChances wrote:
> One of those devices connected to an inexpensive DAC and powered
> speakers may be all you need.
I haven't done substantive research on the available options, but for
this approach the AudioEngine 2+ self-powered speakers may be a good
ingredient. They include a USB connectio
Mnyb wrote:
> So let me get this Beats buy MOG but does not want its userbase and
> makes changes that alientaes many old MOG users (it's not only the
> missing SB support ) ?
First, where do you get the idea they don't want MOG's user base? I
think they may have migrated MOG users' playlists to
radish112 wrote:
> One thing to be mindful of: The default price for a Rhapsody
> subscription is $9.99, which allows streaming for a mobile device. This
> was the subscription that I first had, although I didn't care about
> using a mobile device; I wanted to use only my home Squeezeboxes.
> Som
TomAmes wrote:
> And my cursory initial search fails to find any music that I want that
> is not available via Rhapsody.
But as someone else has already pointed out, the main appeal would
likely be for someone who already has Amazon Prime, but does not have
Rhapsody, Spotify, or the like.
Speak
JJZolx wrote:
> I find Amazon Prime movies to be so horribly unusable that I never watch
> anything on it. Can't imagine the music service would be anything
> better. The primary purpose of the Prime movies seems to be to sell you
> DVDs.
Interesting -- I've found Amazaon prime movies work fine o
...and as bpa said, the SB Controller has an IR remote built-in, which
even emulates a typical SB IR remote.
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Yes, the SB Controller (part of the Duet) will work fine with all
Squeezeboxes, including the SB3/Classic.
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Normally you can wake the server via Wake-on-LAN from any of the states
(suspend, hibernate, shutdown). Note, however, that usually the server
(ie, the computer receiving the WOL packet) has to be connected by
ethernet cable. On most computers the wifi radio is powered down when
entering suspend/h
Sorry I can't help you with this, but the silver faceplate on my black
SD-branded SB3 just started separating on its own after a couple years.
So I've been trying to push it back down, rather than pry it the rest of
the way off!
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I'm pretty sure the faceplate of the white SB3 is silver, but I'm not
100% sure of that.
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Heh, I guess they didn't want to put "Advanced" at the top of the list
because then anyone could stumble into it. And this isn't exactly an
advanced feature, but then neither are many of the items under
"Advanced", especially "About"! ;-)
You're right that there is no equivalent of the large ar
In an earlier post you said that the most problematic station (WGUC)
"...streams at a very fast bitrate when compared to other stations in
the playlist" I take you mean it streams at a _high_ bitrate? If
so, the constraint is more likely your ISP or the station itself, and
not your router. It
As you may know, it's only a skinny face plate that is glued on. Have
you included dead silver SB3s in your search, from which you could
cannibalize the face plate?
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Ikabob wrote:
> Thanks for the instructions. I will try this but I'm not sure why making
> folders is any better than making playlists. Maybe there will be less
> skipping. If I try it I'm sure I will find out. Even after all these
> years of enjoying the SB ecosystem, I am still learning about n
On all SqueezeOS devices (Touch, Radio, SB Controller, SqueezePlay) use
the settings on the players themselves: Settings > Advanced > Album
Sort Method
For phone, it depends on which app you're using. Can't help you with the
Joggler.
EDIT: On the Boom itself, I don't remember, but that may not
Ikabob wrote:
> That does sound like something u should do. Thank you. I didn't know
> that could be done.
> How do you make folders? On line?
You make Favorites folders using the LMS web interface. Here is a quick
intro:
- Open the LMS web interface in your browser, and navigate to Favorites
-
Ikabob wrote:
> It's very convenient to be able to change from say classical to Sinatra
> or whatever.
If you save those stations as Favorites then you may find it just as
convenient. In fact, with Favorites on LMS you can create a nested
folder structure, which can be more convenient than brows
Ikabob wrote:
> Well, I have now been informed that I cannot upgrade from Windows XPpro
> to Win7 and still keep all of my existing programs. I'm not sure I
> understood the process but it seemed very complicated. The problem seems
> to be that I did not go to Win VISTA.
> Can anyone give me a d
Latest email from MOG/Beats says that they are delaying the MOG shutdown
because they're still working out the transition from MOG to Beats. But
the days are numbered (with small numbers).
Hello Moggers,
Sorry for being so quiet lately. Weve been heads-down building some
features specifically
slimfast wrote:
> Logitech had an incredibly well designed system of top-notch hardware
> and open and super-flexible software and managed to do absolutely
> nothing of note with it except first lobotomise it to UE and then
> completely discontinue it.
I'm not going to get into a whole post-morte
Like this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-1250mAh-Rechargeable-Battery-Harmony/dp/B003LZ4LBK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1395782175&sr=8-1&keywords=logitech+harmony+remote+1000+battery
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I agree 100%. And getting back to the OP who mentioned the he/she wanted
to "...only add track gain to all files without effecting anything else"
I would emphasize that it's best to add track gain _and_ album gain.
Better to include album gain now when adding track grain values, rather
than making
donmacn wrote:
> Removing walls! Yikes! I think I was careless with my language. I guess
> by building work I mean running cables up through stud walls. I have
> really easy access underfloor to half of the house, so what I meant was
> that I could probably drill through the floor and the bottom
donmacn wrote:
> I'm also starting to wonder about getting into some 'building' work and
> further strengthening the network by relocating the router into the
> hallway and connecting it to the PC via a switch. It means running new
> power spurs; moving the ADSL master socket; a new shelf; etc bu
It would be much easier to answer your question if you said what country
you live in. I've had good experience in the US buying via Amazon, where
it is usually around US$10, or about 1/3 of the price Logitech charges.
As Mnyb says, it's the same battery as the Logitech Harmony 1000/1100
remote.
It does sound as if the metadata in the files has been changed. You
should check the file modification times to verify. I hope that you can
undo the mess simply by copying over the library from your backup copy
(you do have a backup, right?).
There may be a setting in iTunes Match to tell it to l
pippin wrote:
> But people buying an iPod touch (the few of them who still do) usually
> don't do so because they want a music player but they want a cheap and
> small "mini-tablet" to run Apps on. iOS and the touch screen are the
> killer features, not music playing.
No doubt. But if you want a
cliveb wrote:
> It would appear that the Pono ecosystem basically mirrors the
> iPod/iTunes/iTunes store model. Nothing new there. What *is* new are the
> following:
>
> 1. The player costs $399. This is a joke, right?
> 2. The player has a triangular form factor that makes it inconvenient to
>
Imo that's exactly what it is, potentially good news. You can bet that
Logitech won't jump at the public API, but I bet one of the clever and
enterprising developers in the SB community will take a whack at writing
a plugin to use the Beats API. I'm a MOG subscriber (staying with them
until the pu
d6jg wrote:
> Offsite backup is provided FOC courtesy of Google Play Music where I run
> MusicManager on a PC which sends the contents of Music2014 up to the
> Cloud. As with the rsync job Music used to be the source so I have a
> full copy of all my mp3s available via Google Play but I am nearin
Is LMS reporting itself as 7.7.4, or is it only new firmware (r16676)?
If the latter, then it may be the new firmware to fix issues with
Rhapsody/Napster (see
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?100830-Rhapsody-crashing-Squeezeplay-devices/page9).
If the former, got me boss.
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cjfreitag wrote:
> My players haven't updated yet. Interesting, thought, that while I am
> running LMS 7.8 on a Mac, the information for my Radio shows Firmware:
> 7.7.2-r9663.
Have you tried prompting it to update the firmware? I think it's under
Settings > Advanced > Software Update.
cjfreitag wrote:
> Does anyone have the release numbers of the new firmware with the
> Rhapsody/Napster fix? Touch and Radio?
The link that Michael posted in post #55 is now a dead-end, but it looks
as if the new firmware has been put up on the main site:
http://update.slimdevices.com/update/firm
RSJ wrote:
> Any word on when 7.8 will be officially released?
Depends what you mean by "official", but see this thread (and the thread
links therein) for info on an upcoming "official community release" of
7.8.0:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?100898-Help-us-achieve-an-official-7-
FredFredrickson wrote:
> Out of curiosity, who has LMS 7.8? Looks like the latest available on
> mysqueezebox.com is still 7.7.3
Lots of people do. It's beta, available at the usual place:
http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/ mysb.com only has the latest
officially released version, which i
rgro wrote:
> Thanks. I do have a USB stick, too. But first, which "it" (file) did
> you download to your USB stick? Is fab4_7.8.0_r16754 the correct file
> to download? If so, I see that it gets downloaded as a .zip file. Do
> you need to unzip it prior to plugging the USB stick into the To
Pascal Hibon wrote:
> Can anyone here explain why you would recommend them?
I can't say I would recommend Beats Music simply because I haven't tried
it yet. So at this point for me it's mostly about having choices, and
not having one less music service to choose from when Beats Music pulls
the pl
freelsjd wrote:
> It really irritates me that Logitech has screwed up such a great product
> line. Why did they purchase slimdevices if they wanted to do this to it
> ?
I don't think Logitech set out to destroy the line. What looks like
malice is often simply incompetence, and after some managem
jimbobvfr400 wrote:
> As well as your own stuff uploaded (as 320 MP3 so probably not a massive
> quality loss if any) you can go for a subscription to all access and use
> it like you would Spotify or the other services.
Ah, that explains it. Thanks.
This is probably a dumb question, but what does Google Play bring to a
Squeezebox system?
I look at what is available on Google Play in Chrome on my pc and it's
98-99% MP3 copies from my library and 1-2% of tracks/albums that are
presumably recommended based on what is in my library. And there a
My last.fm scrobbling is also working fine (LMS 7.8).
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See this thread for the Server Power Control plugin:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?48521-Announce-Beta-version-of-SvrPowerControl
Note that the author edits post #1 in the thread to keep it current with
the latest information and latest version. Be sure to read the
installation and
Great, glad to hear it! Enjoy the music.
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If it's any help I think they all begin 00:04:20
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ajrobson wrote:
> I didn't actually try to play music from there as I was (at that point)
> obsessed with playing from my LMS! :mad::mad:
Fair enough. I was just thinking that if mysb.com gets that much
communication with the SB (ie, to report firmware version) then you may
be able to confirm tha
ajrobson wrote:
> Is there anyway to roll back to the older firmware?
You could try holding down the "Brightness" button on the remote. That's
the usual approach to updating firmware.
I'm curious: when you connect to mysb.com, can you play music?
Good luck.
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Firmware 222?! I'm pretty sure the most recent firmware version for a
Classic/SB3 is 137. I wonder if perhaps you got a demo model. There are
some of these that were sent to retailers that don't have full
capabilities. You should probably return it for a refund.
Kind of. If you use the Server Power Control plugin to
shutdown/suspend/hibernate your server you can have it switch your
players to mysb.com. It can then optionally bring the players back to
LMS when the server is running again. You can have Server Power Control
shutdown your server on the basis
Viventis wrote:
> I tried Spotify, but it doesn't work with my Duet (I tried the mod).
What "mod"? There's no mod required to run Spotify on a Duet Receiver.
Just the right plugin.
Likewise, other than the problems of the past couple weeks, Rhapsody
works fine on a Touch.
paulster wrote:
> I wrote to them as well, pointing out that I'd simply be moving to
> Spotify rather than giving Beats a chance if they aren't going to
> continue support for Squeezebox. My vote alone won't count for much, but
> hopefully lots of people will get in touch with them.
Fwiw, here is
I only saw him play live once. It was just a little more than five years
ago, and it was really special. That's Pete in the middle, with his
grandson Tao on the left and some skinny guy from NJ on the right.
+---+
|Filename: seeger_
toby10 wrote:
> Beats is Monster Brand, 'nuff said. ;)
Well, it used to be. Lots of good reasons not to like Monster, from
their overpriced crap products to their legal bullying of smaller
outfits like Blue Jeans Cable. Before I ever heard Beats headphones I
didn't like them because of the Monst
M7CC wrote:
> Yes I currently have LMS set up as intended. As I said the Playlist
> folder works but I can only choose one folder in the settings --
> therefore I can only browse the contents of one folder on my player.
> The Music Folder breaks everything out by folder (playlists and files)
>
Sorry for the mixup. I meant that you could tell iTunes where the
_files_ are stored (to me, the "library" is the tracks, not the
metadata/catalog, which is what you are calling the library). In other
words, within the iTunes interface you could set that pointer to the
directory branch containing
I haven't used iTunes in a long time, but I recall there was a place in
the preferences boxes where a user may set the library location. All
without messing with configuration files that are meant to hold the
settings, not be manually edited.
Naturally, you should have your NAS share mounted on
wpf7 wrote:
> "Will MOG shut down?
> Yes. After April 15th, MOG will no longer be available in the US.
> Monthly billing will stop on March 15th and yearly subscriptions will be
> refunded on a prorated basis. "
>
> And there you have it.
Right, except that excerpt omits the part about the new s
I'm curious why you appear to be concerned about resampling when the
output device is an iPad. It's hard to imagine one could hear any
difference between those hi-res versions and 16/44.1 on an iPad (even
with good headphones). Or do you have the iPad feeding some higher
quality audio device?
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donmacn wrote:
> Ref reviewing metadata - I do this with every disc, just to try and
> select options that will make my tags more consistent and check
> spellings etc. I just meant that it doesn't seem to specifically
> identify which one of those sources it's choosing as it's preferred
> source.
donmacn wrote:
> Ref the above - I don't actually know the answer to all of these
> questions. I'm using dbpoweramp and, while it pops up very quickly when
> the CD is entered, it seems to be saying that it's communicating to
> accurateRip database, then it usually lists three or four metadata
>
That surprises me, too. What ripping software are you using, and which
online database(s) does it access? If multiple databases, do you have
any idea which PID'd (positively identified) the album?
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MrRalph wrote:
> Another thing, with this wealth of knowledge on these forums, what if
> Logitech stops providing this hosted service. Do we have a backup or
> something. Whats the contingency plan for this?
There may be other contingency plans, but there is always gmane. It's a
clunkier user ex
It has been a long time since I've done this, but isn't it possible to
update the Touch's firmware via a USB stick? That is, copy the firmware
file to a USB stick (root directory), insert the stick in the Touch, do
the Touch's Settings > Advanced > Software Update menus, and then be
prompted (and
If you look at the firmware download site
(http://update.slimdevices.com/update/firmware/7.8.0/) you'll see that
the firmware for the Radio (baby) is supposedly unchanged since 7.7.2.
On the other hand, the Touch (fab4) does appear to have new firmware to
go with LMS 7.8.0 (r16739). But I notice
I don't know if this will help you at all, but it's probably worth a
look:
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When I saw the thread title I thought "Uh oh, the transition from MOG to
Beats Music is here." But then I tried and found that MOG is still
working for me, even though I haven't done anything yet to transition to
Beats (which acquired MOG some months back and is soon integrating with
their existin
iki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Controller), various SB infrared
remotes, 'Nokia N800' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N800); In the
bullpen (boxed up and ready to use if one of the above quits): 'SB3'
(http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20051210015952/http://slimdevices
After you go to My Music, what do you choose next? Do you go to "Music
Folder" or do you choose one of the other browse methods, such as
Albums, Artists, Genres, etc.?
It sounds as if you are using "Music Folder", which is probably the
slowest of browse methods, especially for someone with a lot
If I understand your question correctly, you can have LMS read your
iTunes library by using the iTunes integration plugin that comes with
LMS. Look for it on the Plugins tab in the Settings page of the LMS web
interface.
Alternatively, you could simply point LMS to the folder on your computer
wh
jimyyz wrote:
> Thank you for your reply aubuti.
>
> I only use mysqueezebox.com. I downloaded a wifi tool as suggested. My
> levels are in the ow 40's. I tried changing the various other channels
> on the wireless router but that was about as good as I could get. It&#
Some more info would be helpful. Are you listening to a local LMS or
mysqueezebox.com? If LMS, is your server wired to the router, or is it
also on wifi? Is it cutting out on local music files, streaming
services, or both? Is there a possibility of wifi interference, be it
from other wifi networks
donmacn wrote:
> On the question of 'Springsteen Bruce' - though I happily accept that
> LMS can interpret or display this sensibly, what's the benefit of having
> the additional ARTISTSORT element in the tag that might not get used? Is
> it simply to add it in because it's automatic and doesn't
donmacn wrote:
> First off, I missed the 'secure' ripping option and started in 'burst'
> mode. I was surprised at how quick things were going by comparison to my
> previous process of EAC and Lame. Then I got a couple of tracks with
> inaccurate rips, looked a bit deeper, and found the 'secure'
eng, iPod touch with iPeng,
3 'SB Duet Controllers'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Controller), various SB infrared
remotes, 'Nokia N800' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N800); In the
bullpen (boxed up and ready to use if one of the above quits): 'SB3'
It happened because it lost its connection to the server and was trying
to reconnect. When you went to bed, was it connected to your local LMS,
or to mysqueezebox.com? If it was LMS, it could be because the computer
running LMS went into sleep/hibernate/shutdown. Or it could have been a
temporary
Do you mean as in sending the audio from a movie or tv around the house?
It is possible, but there is usually some latency, so the audio wouldn't
be sync'd with the video. Not a problem in the rooms without the tv, but
probably unbearable (or at least sub-optimal) for trying to watch the
video/mov
donmacn wrote:
> Aubuti - thanks for the snipping tool thing. I had tried the print
> screen button, but that hadn't worked... but now, I'm armed with a new
> tool! That said, I can't get it in here - does it need to get saved as a
> picture, then linked to this post?
donmacn wrote:
> Gary, That's what I thought it was suggesting, but the answer is that
> it's a really basic install. LMS running on a windows 7 PC, and it's
> been really stable since the last update was installed in August. I wish
> I could do a screen dump of the netgear 'map'. It now shows th
yeomanspc wrote:
> ..ok stupid me - I see it buried under 'nightlies'. Thanks..
buried?! Yes, very shallowly at the top-level;-)
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fuzzyT wrote:
> Damn. It's a really simple, one-click business to export the contents of
>
> a wiki. And it should be easy to find alternate hosting for it. Any
> chance that the contents were preserved?
>
It's not necessarily permanent. See also
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?
The wiki (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/) seems to have been down for at
least a week or so.
If you need to re-download LMS, it's still available from the usual
site: http://downloads.slimdevices.com/ . But just to be on the safe
side, you should really keep a backup copy of the LMS package anyway
Wirrunna wrote:
> I'm intrigued what you use the PUID for.
> As I understand it, Erland now uses Musicbrainz track ID to identify a
> track in his TrackStat plugin and MIP doesn't use PUID to create a mix.
I suspect he meant "...generating the PUID _etc_" That is, not only
the PUID, but also
Thanks Otto-Wilhelm and SlimChances for the info. Back years ago when I
used the Windows MusicIP gui I also encountered occasional tracks that
it couldn't analyze. But I get a lot more pessimistic when I see that it
can't seem to analyze _any_ tracks that I throw at it while the server
is unreacha
w3wilkes wrote:
> One thing I'm curious about when talking about FLAC being the future
> proof format as opposed to MP3. I have yet to find a digital music
> playing platform that doesn't support MP3, however I find many platforms
> that do not support FLAC. Is there a shift occurring to move to
Otto-Wilhelm wrote:
> I am using MusicIP Mixer, as can be downloaded at
> http://www.amplifindmusicservices.com/what/downloads.php
>
> I use it not in a headless mode (if available) but with the normal
> Windows user interface. The menue has unter "Library" the sub-item
> "Start Analysis".
When
Glad the pointer was helpful. I think a lot of the cost of the Vortexbox
Appliance (VBA) is associated with it being a works-out-of-the-box
solution, and from your self-described discomfort (or, shall we say,
lack of complete comfort) with computers that may be worth the extra
money. I actually en
& iPeng, iPod touch with iPeng,
3 'SB Duet Controllers'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Controller), various SB infrared
remotes, 'Nokia N800' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N800); In the
bullpen (boxed up and ready to use if one of the above quits)
I think this plugin will do what you need:
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ModelCitizen wrote:
> You do need to factor in the programming required.
That may well have been the larger share of the cost, but a lot of that
was probably easy to spin off from the beginnings of SqueezeOS on the SB
Controller.
ModelCitizen wrote:
> But the main point is not the cost. The ma
ModelCitizen wrote:
> Display good, but including an expensive touch screen in a device
Except the touchscreen isn't expensive at all. Similar screens are on
every dime-a-dozen phone, GPS, etc. It may have seemed a lot fancier
than the VFD screens that had been used in previous SBs, but it was
a
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