[dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC

2008-01-29 Thread Mark Rogers
I've started writing a PHP alternative to the existing dspamCC web interface. My primary objectives are to fix some things that annoy me personally about the existing one (the very slow loading/processing of large quarantine boxes, and the inability to sort/filter on history page, being the main o

Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC

2008-01-29 Thread Kyle Johnson
Mark Rogers wrote: I've started writing a PHP alternative to the existing dspamCC web interface. My primary objectives are to fix some things that annoy me personally about the existing one (the very slow loading/processing of large quarantine boxes, and the inability to sort/filter on history pa

Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC

2008-01-29 Thread Dov Zamir
Mark Rogers wrote: I've started writing a PHP alternative to the existing dspamCC web interface. My primary objectives are to fix some things that annoy me personally about the existing one (the very slow loading/processing of large quarantine boxes, and the inability to sort/filter on history pa

Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC

2008-01-29 Thread Bolla Péter
Well, in my idea DSPAM would have been converted to use IMAP too, instead of directly manipulating an mbox. Regarding imap server, I would not recommend anythig, as I only know cyrus, what I use. But I think that in the majority of dspam setups there is an imap server already in the system som

Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC

2008-01-29 Thread Mark Rogers
Mark Rogers wrote: Of-course mbox -> IMAP scripts probably exist, so I could still look at this option now. Now that my brain has started... Of-course I don't need to parse the mbox file and pass the mails to an IMAP server, I just need to convert them to Maildir format and let a normal IMA

Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC

2008-01-29 Thread Alex Tomlins
Forgot to copy the list See below. Alex Tomlins wrote: Mark Rogers wrote: Alex Tomlins wrote: By database I was thinking whatever database backend dspam was using (hash, mysql, postgres etc.), not specifically a RDBMS. While implementing this it would make sense to put the user logs i

Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC

2008-01-29 Thread Mark Rogers
Alex Tomlins wrote: By database I was thinking whatever database backend dspam was using (hash, mysql, postgres etc.), not specifically a RDBMS. While implementing this it would make sense to put the user logs in there as well. The advantage to doing this is that all the data for dspam would

Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC

2008-01-29 Thread Kenneth Marshall
On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 03:49:10PM +, Mark Rogers wrote: > Alex Tomlins wrote: >> By database I was thinking whatever database backend dspam was using >> (hash, mysql, postgres etc.), not specifically a RDBMS. While >> implementing this it would make sense to put the user logs in there as >

Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC

2008-01-29 Thread Alex Tomlins
Mark Rogers wrote: Alex Tomlins wrote: I'd second that... I'm not sure about the IMAP idea. Something I like about dspam at the moment is that it is a self-contained solution (that's most of why I moved to it from spamassassin). If you start feeding stuff out to IMAP servers etc, you end u

Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC

2008-01-29 Thread Mark Rogers
Bolla Péter wrote: Also I would oppose any server specific solution, IMAP is a quite well followed standard, afaik. Absolutely agreed on that one. (So both read and write the mails throug IMAP, without any direct file access. Some IMAP servers don't even let you access the files directly.)

RE: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC

2008-01-29 Thread Jani Partanen
ant.com > Subject: Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC > > One of the advantages of the current DSPAM quarantine is that > the ham/spam messages are not delivered to the production > mail system unless released by the user. Our IMAP system > keeps any message

Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC

2008-01-29 Thread Bolla Péter
Hey, Kenneth Marshall wrote: [...] unless released by the user. Our IMAP system keeps any message for 8 days, before it is removed and if quarantine messages were stored there, they would end up consuming disk resources and backup resources far longer than the current setup. I guess that one ide

Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC

2008-01-29 Thread Kenneth Marshall
One of the advantages of the current DSPAM quarantine is that the ham/spam messages are not delivered to the production mail system unless released by the user. Our IMAP system keeps any message for 8 days, before it is removed and if quarantine messages were stored there, they would end up consumi

Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC

2008-01-29 Thread Mark Rogers
Bolla Péter wrote: PS: *well, if you backup dspam spool. You should, imho. One of the problems with spam is that it can create a massive system overhead that causes other problems. I would be concerned about the scalability of backing up the quarantine spool in the event that a massive spam

Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC

2008-01-29 Thread Mark Rogers
Bolla Péter wrote: Why to bother writing mail storage system, while it has been already done by others, and maintained well in several real good IMAP servers, and IMAP client libraries (libs both for perl and php)? I think many-many hours of development AND maintenance time could be spared if

Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC

2008-01-29 Thread Bolla Péter
Hey, Everything sounds pretty good but another thing to consider might be modifying the existing dspam code to store messages in Maildir, instead of mbox? Or to store the entire quarantine (and the other WebUI files) inside of the database. Why to bother writing mail storage system, while i

Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC

2008-01-29 Thread Mark Rogers
Kyle Johnson wrote: Sweet! It's good to see someone finally doing this. Foxdie in the #dspam channel has been working on a PHP conversion as well, but there has not been any progress as of late. You might want to send him a line. You got a name for him? Foxdie means nothing to me, sorry! I

Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC

2008-01-29 Thread Alex Tomlins
e quarantine is something I really would like to see. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenneth Marshall Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 4:36 PM To: Bolla P?ter Cc: dspam-dev@lists.nuclearelephant.com Subject: Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI

Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC

2008-01-29 Thread Mark Rogers
Jani Partanen wrote: Database quarantine is something I really would like to see. For what purpose? I thought about this from a speed perspective (in particular when sorting by criteria such as confidence levels). However, simple text indexes achieves this pretty well without the database de

Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC

2008-02-02 Thread Alex Tomlins
Ok, I had a look at doing Maildir delivery, and it can be done quite easily without modifying the dspam code. We just need to specify a QuarantineAgent in dspam.conf. I've knocked together a quick perl script that will do the trick. See attached. you can use it by specifying QuarantineAgent as b

RE: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC

2008-02-02 Thread Jani Partanen
> To: dspam-dev@lists.nuclearelephant.com > Subject: Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC > > Jani Partanen wrote: > > Database quarantine is something I really would like to see. > > For what purpose? > > I thought about this from a speed perspective (in particular

Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC

2008-02-04 Thread Mark Rogers
Alex Tomlins wrote: Ok, I had a look at doing Maildir delivery, and it can be done quite easily without modifying the dspam code. We just need to specify a QuarantineAgent in dspam.conf. I've knocked together a quick perl script that will do the trick. See attached. you can use it by specifyin

Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC

2008-02-06 Thread Jason Axley
One basic feature I'd like to see is the ability to map user logins (e.g. from LDAP) to one or more identities that dspam knows about. The current CGI UI assumes that your login == your dspam user ID, which is not the case. e.g. I have a single mail server serving multiple domains and unless

Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC

2008-02-07 Thread Mark Rogers
Jason Axley wrote: One basic feature I'd like to see is the ability to map user logins (e.g. from LDAP) to one or more identities that dspam knows about. How would you like this to work? Personally I'd like access from one login, but to still have the quarantines separate (eg separate IMAP

Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC

2008-02-08 Thread Mark Rogers
Steve wrote: It depends how you retrain. If you have the tokens already inside the storage engine and linked to a signature, then retraining with just the signature is enough. If you don't store the tokens with a signature inside the storage engine or you purged the signature including the tok

Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC

2008-02-08 Thread Steve
Original-Nachricht > Datum: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 08:54:12 + > Von: Mark Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > An: dspam-dev@lists.nuclearelephant.com > CC: Jason Axley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Betreff: Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC > Jason Axle

Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC

2008-02-09 Thread Steve
Original-Nachricht > Datum: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:47:12 + > Von: Mark Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > An: dspam-dev@lists.nuclearelephant.com > Betreff: Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC > Steve wrote: > > It depends how you retrain. If

Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC

2008-02-09 Thread Jason Axley
Steve wrote: Original-Nachricht Datum: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:47:12 + Von: Mark Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> An: dspam-dev@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC Steve wrote: It depends how you retrain. If yo

Re: [dspam-dev] PHP UI alternative to dspamCC

2008-02-09 Thread Jason Axley
Mark Rogers wrote: Jason Axley wrote: One basic feature I'd like to see is the ability to map user logins (e.g. from LDAP) to one or more identities that dspam knows about. How would you like this to work? Personally I'd like access from one login, but to still have the quarantines separate