How long do you anticipate that the e-gold servers will be down?
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> >> So when tallying up "the money supply," I would not count both a gold
> >> coin in a vault AND a paper note redeemable for that coin.
> >
> > That's the difference between M1 and M2 isn't it?
>
> I don't see the analogy with warehouse receipts. M1 itself is a
> mish-mash created by printing p
> So when tallying up "the money supply," I would not count both a gold
> coin in a vault AND a paper note redeemable for that coin.
That's the difference between M1 and M2 isn't it?
Both terms are relevent to an economist.
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> You will need to insist on an ISP mail address and even then you have no
> protection against thievery from PayPal itself. Millions of people never
> have a problem with PayPal, tens of thousand get ripped off by PayPal
> themselves. There seems to be no pattern though about who they steal from
> A colleague of mine read the T&C around 6 months ago, when we though of
> providing this service to our clients and haven't found any cautions
> against this kind of service.
When PayPal seized my money, they had a 'Guarantee that All PayPal Payments
are Good'.
> Did anyone actually try to "cut
vents:
1) Within a few weeks you'll be making thousands of dollars a day.
2) Then, on a Monday, with 4 days of sales in your PayPal account, (maybe as
much as $20,000), PayPal will lock your account and hold your money for 6
months to a year.
3) Afterwhich they may, or may not, give you bac
anges would be possible.
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I haven't been reading this list for about a week, but have you guys noticed
that if you go to Google, and type in 'gold', then click 'I'm feeling
Lucky', instead of 'Google Search', that the E-Gold site comes up? How does
that work?
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> Like Marco & Patrick in EU, GoldNow has decided to trade in VirtualGold.
Anybody ever ask why they call it 'Virtual' Gold?
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> Inspired by the indubitable SnowDog, DGCWorld has prepared a simple
> one page report using Google.com search results to indicate the
> possible usage of 4 popular gold currencies for goods and services:
>
> http://www.dgcworld.com/googling.pdf
See how far behind I am on my
> And all because the old couple lives in a country with foreign exchange
> controls and can't legally deal in e-gold and hence decided to use a bogus
> address for their domain registration...
So they broke the law... I was almost feeling sorry for them.
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> Yes, the Dallas Fed has on their site some preposterous
> ideas about imposing negative interest rates on the
> economy. But, the reality is that most of these are
> very impractical and even the Dallas Fed says these
> arrows aren't very straight. Who knows where they
> might fly.
Jim, do you
d scheme.
GoldNow is not a pyramid scheme. Confusing such a term with a legitimate
business hinders us in our attempts to fight such scams.
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> Witness the recent SEC conviction of StockGeneration.
>
> SEC wrote:
> > According to the SEC's complaint, the website described the
> > StockGeneration program as a "virtual stock exchange" in which
> > participants could buy and sell "virtual shares" in several "virtual
> > companies" at prices
> Can I see Sealand's constitution please?
> Ooops, sorry. I meant, can I see the terms and coditions of listing on
> Dbourse?
>
> Hmmm. Isn't that what I said from the beginning was lacking and you said
> wasn't needed?
No, it's fundamentally different. If someone can open a company, and write
th
> Nothing wrong with that at all. Untill three HYIP crooks who read this
> list put their heads together, that is.
>
> Then it's still free market and nothing wrong with that either. Then a few
> hundred investors get burned. Free market, tough luck.
Here's where we disagree, and probably where I
> > Capitalism and Freedom are derived from a legal and ethical system which
are
> > derived from the principle of Individual Rights. As private property,
the
> > propietors of DBourse get to pick and choose at their own discretion,
and
> > must abide by whatever contracts they have with other peop
> Of course TGC is honorable and all, but how about the next company that
> lists? CyberFrontier U2Networks may be a viable applicant, GoldNow
> another. What if Privacity wants to list? No rules means everyone gets a
> go - or is there an undemocratic, tyrannical system in which the
> proprietors
> Maybe the nation of Sealand has a comment on this subject? I'm
> still just pleased that this event has finally happened, because of
> problems with the NYSE-style markets which make many sensible
> investors shy away from stocks.
Problems with the NYSE-style markets??
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> Jim (of cambist fame) and I were discussing the idea about a year ago and
> at the time my main concerns were to find a small enough government that I
> could convince to let me write their Securities and Exchange act for them.
And so we begin, yet again, the slow ride to tyranny...
[No nation
ey couldn't use the amount of money that people put into these
things.
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> But e-gold also allows the scams, in the same way that those who
> helped OSGold to withdraw their money by supplying debit cards, for
> example. Not more, not less.
> In other words... NO e-gold, NO scam.
>
> So, IMO, if Graham or anybody else should be crucified, e-gold should
> be to
Graham, I have to respond to this. It rubs me the wrong way. :)
> The issues are; We had 1000's of customers using OSGold... and nobody
> forced them to. We had multiple 1000's orders, IN/OUT/EXCHANGE, and
> nobody coerced/forced, or in anyway stood over these people. The
> ecurrency was real (in
> on or about June 4 2003 7:29:04 PM GMT, the e-gold
> system had performed - for the first time in its
> existence - over ** 100,000 ** e-metal spends in
> the preceding 24 hours.
And the server didn't crash!!!
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> Please will someone be kind and tell me how to reply to individual
> messages by email and how to create them via email instead of having to
> login to the list each time...
Log in to the list. Go to 'Your Settings', and change the settings so that
you receive email.
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> It is, as I said, dozens of companies who wish to make thousands
> of very small payments to recipients, who want a wide variety of
> currencies.
Jim, can you explain how this process works?
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> > Now it is 3:1 to 4:1. I think this is a clear indication
> > that something is changing in the way e-gold is being used.
[...]
> Come to think of it, a 2:1 ratio would make most sense, wouldn't it? The
> person who transacts and the person who checks to confirm the receipt.
> That would mea
> > Prominence Bank (www.prominencebank.com)now offers funding and exchange
> > services for E-Gold and Evocash customers.
> >
> > ALL FUNDS ARE TRANSFERED OR PLACED WITHIN 14 HOURS AFTER FUNDS ARE
> > RECEIVED
>
> About 161 hours ago I placed an order through their website. So far I have
> not
> What I did was for every possible initial hand, determine the best
strategy by
> adding up the payouts for all possible continuations and choosing the
strategy
> with the best average payout. This took quite a lot of computer time
(about 120
> hours on a pretty fast machine), but in the end I end
> Well... it's still queens or better, though they did implement some sort
of
> delay preventing a bot from playing too many hands too fast. They also
fail to
> mention that I also lost money from time to time, but overall the bot did
> indeed win.
There's no reason a bot should win. Even their ve
> Oh my God, people, Jay, SnowDog, tell me honestly, why the f__k are these
romanians sh_ts still tolerated on e-gold economy ?
> How many individuals do they have to rip before they are thrown out ?
I think the fellow from Incremental Gold is an honest fellow. Indeed, I've
onl
> What operating system do you have installed? What browser? What email
> client? Do you have a virusscanner? Is it updated frequently?
> Do you only visit the e-gold site only by manually entering
> https://use.e-gold.com/ in your browser address box? Do you have a
> secure password?
The only oth
> I have found their service to be very good and without flaw. They are very
> professional and I have never had a problem within their network.
How did you find them, since they are new to the internet?
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> At 8:01 AM +1100 3/15/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >If only thse 14,000 users could be reached,
>
> Reached how?
Jim, you shouldn't have asked! You know he's going to come back with, "We
need to put pop-up ads on the login screen!"
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For the first time, the number of e-gold accounts with over 10 grams of gold
have exceeded 14,000. I count accounts with 10 grams or more, because I
think that 10 grams is an amount of e-gold which will definitely NOT be
abandoned by the owner as insignificant. Note, also, that there are now over
5
> Dear Sir - Let me make a few things clear. First off your order was with
> Akasha Gold Exchange, NOT GetGoldNow. We are a completely different
> company. We simply acquired Akasha Gold Exchange to shut them down.
When you acquire a company, you acquire their debts, as well.
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> The following People have been confirmed for illegal activity and
> fraudulent funds via E-Gold, PayPal and Brightpay
>
> 1) Walter Cavanaugh - E-Gold # 756547
> 2) Tove Morris - E-Gold # 717260
> 3) James Anderson - E-Gold # 713430
How do you know these aren't stolen identities?
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> It is very easy to purchase a money order at the post office or grocery
> store and mail it to an exchange provider. I don't understand why
> people think it's so difficult to fund an e-gold account.
It's a pain when you can buy the product from someone else who takes credit
cards. You don't ha
> the interesting thing is the mirror statement is true:
>
> 4. The value of my holdings doesn't fluctuate as it does with Paypal.
If
> I have AUG 100 in e-gold, it remains as AUG 100. And I don't have to
calculate
> dollars to grams. As a retailer I have a simple process: I have a
product;
>
RJ, why are you bailing on Americonn.com? Not enough business?
Sincerely,
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> Craig, are you saying the archives of this list display e-addresses? Or
> are folks grabbing e-addresses as members?
I can find your email address in your original message, and in the archive
here, (without loggin in):
http://www.e-gold.com/unsecure/lists.html
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> Also, if this is the case, could someone please post an accurate summary
> of the circumstances involved? I guess I missed it.
If I might hazard a guess... It's a pain to use. How many times do you make
a post and forget to put your password in place, or accidentally send your
password to someon
> > 3) I'm not sure how to upgrade IE to 128-bit encryption. I tried
searching
> > the Microsoft site a couple of weeks ago, but could not find it.
>
> i thought any IE6 would be 128-bit, so that is a good question. maybe you
> are running under win2k and need this:
> http://www.microsoft.com/windo
> 1) I login everyday using IE, so it's seems quite a coincidence that it
> would stop working immediately after your upgrade.
It seems to be working fine now with IE. Maybe it was some kind of glitch.
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Thanks, Jay. A couple of notes:
1) I login everyday using IE, so it's seems quite a coincidence that it
would stop working immediately after your upgrade.
2) I don't usually log-in using Netscape, so that problem may have been
there for a while. However, I cannot resize the SRK window, and the
'm
I'm trying to log-in to e-gold for the first time after maintenance
yesterday, and the SRK appears to be broken.
1) Using 6.0.2800.1106, Cipher Strength 56-bit, Update Versions SP1;
Q324929:
Using this version, the SRK refuses to come up and hangs the browser,
requiring me to kill it.
2) Using N
> ... What I am
> wondering is, is there some easy test I can perform to tell if they
> are probably gold or partly gold? I don't want to look like a
> complete idiot if I take in lumps of brass or copper to be tested at
> a jewellers.
Measure the density. Measure the volume by inserting the gold
> *Certification would be something simple like full disclosure (of EAs)
> at least to/within e-gold, Inc. as to location, ownership, jurisdiction
> and an agreement to abide by simple but solid rules of conduct,
> enforcible by revocation of priviledge, possible seizure of assets
> and/or mandator
> Wasn't it normal to ask BEFORE receiving my e-gold? On which rules they
don't want to send my money now?
Why don't you just ask them to send the e-gold back to your account? Will
they do this?
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I may have to stand corrected on Costa Gold. From reading some of the emails
in this user group,
http://ca.groups.yahoo.com/group/Global-Recovery-Group-how-to-join/
it looks like the money held by e-gold was recovered by the victims of the
Costa Gold operation. If true, that would be welcome news
> Yes, that could very well be !
> However, who would that have been paid out to ?
>
> According to information I just got following verification, the people
> who were defrauded by Costagold have not received anything...
This is one of those questionable operations. Didn't Costagold advertised
it
Here's a link describing a Money Services Business from the US government
website. It looks to me like exchange services qualify.
http://msb.gov/msb/index.html
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> > Um, e-gold IS money. Just think about the nature of money. e-gold is
> money.
>
> We all agree on this, but it sure would not be considered as such in a
court
> of law,
> and therefore, ADL's argument would fall flat on its face
The Patriot Act considers it money, and references it as 'stored
> The response was to Craig on why we do not give notice before the site may
> be down. When this thread started the site was down for 23 minutes. Hardly
> something to be warned about by a technician prior to this to warn the
> digital gold community who is not involved with Crowne Gold anyhow, ex
Last year at this time, I did a Google search to try to determine which
areas of the general economy are using e-gold. Well a year has passed, and
now we can compare how the uses for e-gold may have changed throughout the
general economy.
General
1) I didn't do this generic search last year, but
> This is the final two weeks in this process. If the site is down it is due
> to the technicians need to have the site down during their construction
> process.
I don't have any gold in my Crowne Gold account -- but this is why!
Down-time, especially significant down-time, needs to be conveyed to
> Let's say I want to start a company that lends out actual e-gold grams on
a
> fractional reserve basis. I take in e-gold deposits, and I then I lend
out
> ten times as much e-gold as I have on deposit.
>
> I can't really do this, can I?
That's not fractional reserve banking, (nor any kind of ba
> GoldMoney and e-gold maintain this ratio at exactly 1 digital gram / 1
> physical gram. The old US gold standard maintained this ratio at exactly
1
> dollar / 23.22 physical grains.
A gold standard, and fractional reserve banking are two different things.
The US has always had fractional reserv
> If someone deposits cash in to a MM bank account in order to fund their
> e-gold acct, isn't that a no risk transaction for the MM? ...
Until the depositor calls you up and asks, "Where's my $11,000 Flat-Screen
Plasma High Density TV, for which I made the deposit?"
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Hello Jim!
How about taking the sender's email addresse out of the message header, and
setting the message to both reply-to, and reply-from, the e-gold list, so
that the scammers can't identify with us? :)
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> Are there any e-gold exchange providers in Malaysia? Also anyone providing
> exchange between e-gold and e-Dinar and other DGCs? Yes I know that e-gold
> and e-Dinar accounts used to be synonymous, but that is not so anymore.
Any
> information on how e-Dinar is progressing would be appreciated. W
> Yes, I understand that PayPal is a dangerous system...
I'm curious, though, why you are going to accept PayPal payments? Do you
believe that your security checks will be adequate to prevent any thieves
from sending you bad money, or do you simply disagree when we say that
PayPal is run by Beelze
I do however have ALL the funds in my account, did not pay the scammer his
last payment so I still have a 33% profit on this deal. I do not like my
paypal to be blocked though.
Note that PayPal will reverse the ACH transactions to your bank account, as
well. To stop this, you need to go to your ba
> Leaving aside for a moment the fact that there are no
> Norfed Dollars, but there are Liberty Dollars which have
> a relationship to the NORFED organization, let's ask
> what you think a US dollar is: what do you think a US
> dollar is?
When I used the term 'Norfed dollars' and 'US dollars', I'm
> >TITLE 18 , PART I , CHAPTER 25 , Sec. 486.
> >Sec. 486. - Uttering coins of gold, silver or other metal
> >Whoever, except as authorized by law, makes or utters or passes,
> >or attempts to utter or pass, any coins of gold or silver or other
> >metal, or alloys of metals, intended for use as cur
section -- and could not
find any reference.
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/
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Check out this disclaimer, from the Norfed website:
"Disclaimer: Gold & Silver Libertys are neither legal tender, money,
"current money" nor coins; they are not minted, issued or approved by any
government agency; do not generally circulate; are not intended to
circulate; and do not relate to taxa
d my funds to, would you sign an authority to allow me to do so?
The customer is not at a serious risk. If the customer sends his money to a
bad exchange service, then the customer will lose the money he sent. If the
exchange service fails to identify his customers, he will lose THOUSANDS,
and co
> Folks, I know the emotions are high these days, but if we could
> leave off the profanities I won't be forced to moderate. Thanks
> in advance for expressing yourselves strongly-but-civilly. Also,
> I hope that few-not-many messages to this list will become the
> last-not-first resort, when pe
> Just to bring this thread back to its subject heading, for fits
> and giggles, I learned today from Bernard von NotHaus that the
> Liberty Dollar has now exceeded $3 million in circulation in
> silver pieces, paper warehouse receipts, and digital warehouse
> receipts. Still places third among fr
> The audit represents a count of the silver and gold in the
> warehouse against which any form of warehouse receipt, paper
> or digital, has been issued. The audit does not offer to
> account for any of the gold or silver pieces which have been
> purchased and placed in circulation separately.
A
> [e-gold-service]A close friend of mine just got this email. What's strange
> is that he only uses his e-gold account with me. How could the scammer
have
> gotten his email address?
After conferring with my friend, it turns out that the email address used is
buried on one of the pages on my websi
[e-gold-service]A close friend of mine just got this email. What's strange
is that he only uses his e-gold account with me. How could the scammer have
gotten his email address?
Craig
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From: Service EG
To: e-gold customer
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 15:20
Subject: [
> If I were an exchange service looking for a niche, I'd try to become
> "The Icegold of Everquest" (over Sony's objections, I guess!) ...
The problem is that Sony may cancel your Everquest account, if they find out
what you're doing.
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rage fee is only 1% per year, so that would be $1.21 per year.
So the total is $119.30 - 2.36 = $116.94 (not including the storage fee of
1% per year)
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always in
your account's history.
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act the 50 cents, and then the $1 for Omnipay's check,
and the final total will be $100.45.
Note, that the price to the customer will generally be just 1 percent less
than what he sends to you, if you compile several payments into one before
taking Omnipay's check.
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> Can anyone tell me which online auctions (except GoldBarter.com)
> are accepting e-Gold?
www.golddirectory.com
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> We are a new merchant to E-gold. Are you saying that if we accept E-gold
> for payment on our website for our services, we won't be able to take that
> e-gold and get a check for it?
Sure, there are a host of exchange services which will buy e-gold from you.
I keep a list here:
www.golddirect
> > Is anyone else having problems with Goldchanger? What can be done
> > about that?
> >
> This goes to show that it is a good idea to select an exchange provider
> who is a member of the eCurrency Trade Association Inc.
> www.exhcnageprovider.net as they have been authenticated.
However, this is
> London Gold Exchange is sending out a newsletter
> promoting some chainletter deal.
> I do not care what gimmick they promote as long as they do
> not push it to their exchanger client list.
How do you know it's from London Gold Exchange? There is at least one
scavenger out there sending out s
> I am not able to spend e-gold right now.
> Some of my referrals even can not see the balance.
It's been getting worse the past few months. I have a very difficult time
checking my balance, and doing spends, these days.
Time for a new Server? Maybe a Distributed Processing Rewrite?
Craig
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> Concentration camps? Surely you don't mean the types used in
> Nazi Germany.
http://www.godwinslaw.com/
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>IF anyone has not changed their password to their E-Bull account, and
> cannot get into the system, contact the admin at e-Bull. Great people and
> very responsive to clients.
Just did. Excellent customer service!
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Can anyone else get into their E-Bullion account now? It would do my heart
good to know that it's a system error.
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Wow, does this policy apply now? Is there a grandfather clause? What if I
have to remove more than 50gg Next Week?
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> http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=search&StoryID=1286489
Perfect timing with PayPal withdrawing support for online casinos.
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nd why the ATM
withdrawal is harder to reverse.
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fund your debit card or PayPal account with your hard payment.
However, an exchange service cannot perform the transaction in reverse
without being targetted by internet thieves.
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> My apologies for our model (at least he was cheap!).
Actually, get rid of some gut, keep the sunglasses on, and you look pretty
sharp. (PS: I'm not gay -- not that there's anything wrong with that.)
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> I don't look at the e-gold velocity stats very often but isn't the
> current velocity incredibly low? It's currently at about $650,000.00.
> Hasn't it typically been much higher? Again, I don't have much
> historical reference, but I recall velocities of 3 or 4 million in the
> past!
It hasn'
Didn't OSGold start in January, 2001? If so, it lasted about 18 months.
"As of 07/12/02 OSGOLD operations will suspend all activity for a period of
90 days or until the expected funds are released. This will give all
principals the time needed to reorganize under current laws and regulations
whic
>From the latest information at www.onegroupe.com, I had thought that the
managers were still maintaining a pretense of propriety. However, with
yesterday's update, it now appears that this pretense is put out solely by
whatever staff they had working for them, and that the principles have
already
> Um, what makes you think there has ever been a third party audit of
e-gold,
> ever? I don't see it anywhere.
There was an audit on Feb 22, 2001. They removed the document when they
changed the Examiner Page.
Craig
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> Does anyone here know about how much palladium there
> is (known reserves, plus metal above ground, I guess)?
> I looked a bit on google, and found not-much (but saw
> a few mentions of e-gold even when I wasn't searching
> for it, which was cool!).
The closest I come is with this:
"SUPPLY:
> That's not the (only) thing you look at. Since Standard Reserve and OsGold
> are (were (in the case of Standard Reserve)?) e-metal currencies and you
> decide not to work with them.
Has anyone EVER redeemed any gold from OSGold?
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> Is this crap
>
> http://www.standardreserve.com/
>
> gonna affect e-gold badly?
I thought Standard Reserve had signed-up a cruise line last year, with
60,000 employees as customers. They were quite excited about it, at the
time. If they did sign them up, I imagine another lawsuit from these gu
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