Sarah, Brava! I agree wholeheartedly, and thanks for the tip on filtering
Angela's mail. I will do the same. --E.
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I grew tired some time ago of opening my mailbox everyday to a flood of
religious fanatisism. I personally set up my inbox to
I grew tired some time ago of opening my mailbox everyday to a flood of
religious fanatisism. I personally set up my inbox to redirect all
messages from [EMAIL PROTECTED] into a seperate folder so that they would
not bog me down and anger me. However, those of you who engage her in
this
In a message dated 98-12-05 18:18:44 EST, you write:
Sounds like your own opinions, preferences and prejudices to me;
cloaked and clothed in your unsupported assertion that they come
from some infallible (therefore unchallengeable) source, to me.
Accept the hubris of the obvious; that
In a message dated 98-12-05 18:25:20 EST, you write:
Now you're telling me you're an anti-choice feminist; that's like being
a black member of the Ku Klux Klan or a Jewish Nazi. Next, you'll
tell me you're an anti-ecosystem environmentalist.Joe
Hi!
You did not answer my question
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In a message dated 98-12-04 19:53:33 EST, you write:
Truth/falsity are knowledge categories, and as such are scientific
and/or historical. Religions structured belief systems, and as such
are outside the purview of knowledge; they, being concerned with
the METAphysical or ontological
In a message dated 98-12-04 20:14:32 EST, you write:
Angela, the next time god says someting to you, would you please
record him saying it and send us all copies? Joe
E-mail is a lot more efficient!
Peace!
Angela
In a message dated 98-12-04 20:09:11 EST, you write:
Hi, I DO agree with what you say here. Dualistic thinking begins with
self/other.
Sincerely, Jane
Hi!
Sorry have to add this because dualism also keeps coming up:
BUT, the true teachings of Christ - was not dualistic - it was
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HUNTSVILLE, AL--Jesus Christ, son of
God and noted pro-life activist, killed
two and critically wounded seven others when
He opened fire in the waiting
Angela, whether or not it is your intention, you are sabotaging this
list. Authentic ecofeminists have already unsubscribed rather than
endure your unending blathering about your patriarchal religion-of-
choice, and if you keep it up, more are sure to follow. Are you a
secret
In a message dated 98-12-05 14:42:02 EST, you write:
I wanna hear god's voice say what you said he said. Joe
Joe, why don't you get him on the horn yourself - Here's - how to reach him,
kneel down, fold your hands - say "Father I believe and I would like to talk
with you." Ask him "What
In a message dated 98-12-05 15:09:59 EST, you write:
I feel
sorry for you, and sorry for all those here who must endure you.
J
oe
Hi!
Joe, please do not feel sympathy for me - I am really a very soft-spoken to
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Oh come on Joe you arent really suprised that Angela is anti-choice. She
toes the party line according to her own admissions.
Regards,
Sandy
It sounds as though your god loves himself so much that he
demands rapt worshipful submissive reverential obedient yielding
adoration from everyone and everything - I'm sure you're racking up
beau coup brownie points in his book of life, for it's blatantly obvious
that you're doing your part
Remember you said we do not have to unify that spirit- This is in direct reply
to that - unifying is acknowledging that we know that we all originally came
from the same realm - agreeing that we were originally created equal with our
individuality we are unique creations in many ways yet
Joe, I do not think that humans should lose their individuality - I am in
awe
of diversity of life - including human - uniting in spirit would not
dimmish
our individuality but unit our spirits. We are not just spirits we are
Mind/Body and Spirit - so our individuality is the total sum of
Angela, if you are indeed serious about ceasing and desisting, all I
can say is, "Thank the God and Goddess!" Joe
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In a message dated 12/4/98 4:42:27 PM Pacific Standard Time,
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it seems to me that if we
allow ourselves to think of the earth and all on it as something to "rule"
than we are thinking dualistically. People/Nature. People have the power
to rule nature and as you
Angela, the next time god says someting to you, would you please
record him saying it and send us all copies? Joe
Dear Joe,
It IS unfair. But we all do it, one way or another, because we are trying to
effect change. Sometimes I'm positively La Bitch de la Monde, when I get
addled or rattled, or whatever.
Love to all,
Jane
Angela, your description of the propagation of your holy spirit
reminded me of the spreading of a disease, like the flu. Also it is
important to remember that might does not make right, and that the
popularity of any belief is a poor measure of its truth. Joe
Dear Devon,
Thanks for your previous post, and this one. "Conviviality" is a wonderful,
wonderful way to put it, "with life"! My own sense is that trying to define
for ourselves and each other our own spiritual paths, or lack thereof, is a
necessary step for some in self-definition, but
Perhaps the only kind of "spirituality" that is possible as a common form is
that which everyone might derive from a sense of conviviality with other
peoples and life forms? I.e., we can feel connected to each other and to
life without necessarily invoking a God, Goddess, Holy Spirit, etc. The
"Conviviality" . . .exactly! Seems like a great place to find common
ground!
Maggie
In a message dated 98-12-02 22:26:10 EST, you write:
This is just a passing thought. so it might be something to be ignored.)
The core of most
religion actually
is based on the concept of domination in some ways, because god dominates
us. a power greater than ourselves. true people
In a message dated 98-12-02 22:36:33 EST, you write:
Once again, you assert that it is your way or no way, and once
again, I must disagree. Losing our human individuality in some
spiritual totalitarianism is not the answer, and never will be. Joe
Hi!
Joe, I do not think that humans
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The masses need to be brought back to caring for life/back to Earth values/in
my view back to God and spirituality!
Or all your attempts are in vain - no matter how you look at it others will be
born who do not perceive each other and the world the way you do
Angela,
I think there is a Catch-22 with appealing to people's spirituality to get
them involved in an Ecofeminist movement. You want to appeal to people's
spirituality right? Many people use religion as a framework for
understanding their own spirituality. Religion is heavily influenced by
the
I'm new here. I'm not quite sure what I'm doing. If I do something wrong I
apologize.
I'm just beginning to look at Eco-Feminism. I'm doing some research on
Eco-Feminism for an undergrad course "Women and the Struggle for Equality"
It's interesting to read theory and academic texts, but I'm
I'm new at this, so I hope I'm doing this correctly. I don't think that
"spiritual commonality" is necissary for positive changes to happen. It is
necissary that there is a common goal, but the spiritual beliefs of a
group can vary (as long as they agree on the goal.) I believe that
everyone's
In a message dated 98-12-01 00:39:59 EST, you write:
.I don't think that there is true spiritual commonality even among people
Hi!
Maggie, thanks for the post. Regarding this - do you believe that we are
interconnected? People with people, people with air, water, soil? I do and
spirit is
In a message dated 98-12-01 00:32:39 EST, you write:
1.When, where, or from whom did you first hear about Eco-Feminism?
2.What specific aspects of Eco-Feminism are you attracted to?
3.Are there aspects of Eco-Feminism that you dislike?
4.What impact does your belief in Eco-Feminism have on
Maggie had suggested that spirital commonality was not necessary for changes
to take effect. Angela had queried this. I for one (as I mentioned in my
last post) do not support the idea of spiritual commonality - I do however
understand that we are literally interconnected (otherwise we could
Angela,
You said "No one from any religious background could agrue against this -
Can they?" My thoughts on this are that not everyone has a religious
background, and some people reject all forms of religion because they
don't believe in the "essence" of themselves or souls. If we truly
In a message dated 98-11-29 22:03:25 EST, you write:
Spiritual commonality? You make so little room for how others believe
that I shudder at your notion of commonality.
A song of Hildegaard von Bingen, the 12th century prophet of '"viriditas", the
"greening power" of the Spirit translates
Concerning the info below, I tend to agree about this. I am not a spiritual
person in any way. I don't believe in the idea of spiritual connection or
the concept that this connects us as human beings. I feel very strongly
that this is a line that has been fed to us. At the same time I don't
In a message dated 98-11-29 10:09:27 EST, Donna writes:
It's difficult to understand that there can be any 'however' to being one
with
the universe. It's my understanding that we are either working together as
one or
consider our needs to be above our collective, thwarting the collective for
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Hi!
The problem is we
Spiritual commonality? You make so little room for how others believe
that I shudder at your notion of commonality.
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In a message dated 98-11-29 10:09:27 EST, Donna writes:
It's difficult to understand that there can be any 'however' to being
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