Re: Salaries and gender

2002-03-04 Thread Wuensch, Karl L
Include in your list of references on salary differences and gender the article by M. H. Birnbaum, Relationships among models of salary bias, American Psychologist, 1985, July, 862-866. ~~~ Karl L. Wuensch, Department of Psychology, East Carolina

Re: Splus or R

2002-03-03 Thread Eric Bohlman
Anonymous God-fearer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know how to generate a correlation matrix given a covariance matrix in Splus? Or could you give the details of how to do it in another language? corr[i,j] = cov[i,j]/sqrt(cov[i,i]*cov[j,j])

Re: Applied analysis question

2002-03-03 Thread Rich Ulrich
On 28 Feb 2002 07:37:16 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brad Anderson) wrote: Rich Ulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On 27 Feb 2002 11:59:53 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brad Anderson) wrote: BA I have a continuous response variable that ranges from 0 to

Re: REML for Dummies?

2002-03-01 Thread Anon.
Dr Jonathan Newman wrote: I'm trying to find a good introduction to REML (restricted maximum likelihood). I'm a biologist rather than a statistician. If you have any suggestions I'd great appreciate hearing them. Thanks. Lynch Walsh (1998)? (Genetic Analysis of Quantitative Traits,

Re: REML for Dummies?

2002-03-01 Thread kjetil halvorsen
A good book is Pinheiro, J.C. and Bates., D.M. mixed models with S and S-Plus, Springer. Kjetil Halvorsen Dr Jonathan Newman wrote: I'm trying to find a good introduction to REML (restricted maximum likelihood). I'm a biologist rather than a statistician. If you have any suggestions

Re: detecting outliers in NON normal data ?

2002-03-01 Thread Erik-André Sauleau
But Mahalanobis distance is sensible to swamping and masking so is it really a good measure for outliers? DELOMBA a écrit dans le message ... What about Hat Matrix ? Mahalanobis distance ? Yves Voltolini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message

Re: Applied analysis question

2002-03-01 Thread Eric Bohlman
Rolf Dalin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brad Anderson wrote: I have a continuous response variable that ranges from 0 to 750. I only have 90 observations and 26 are at the lower limit of 0, What if you treated the information collected by that variable as really two variables, one

Re: REML for Dummies?

2002-03-01 Thread John Uebersax
The Enclyclopedia of Biostatistics (Armitage P, Colton T; Wiley, 1999?) has an article on REML. I have not seen the article, but usually their articles well explain statistical concepts to non-statisticians. The Encyclopedia is a resource you might find helpful in general. For more info, see:

Re: Applied analysis question

2002-03-01 Thread Brad Anderson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Bohlman) wrote in message news:a5o5b1$fi0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Rolf Dalin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IIRC, your example is exactly the sort of situation for which Tobit modelling was invented. Considered that (actually estimated a couple of Tobit models and if I use

Re: help on factor analysis/non-normality

2002-03-01 Thread Rich Ulrich
On 1 Mar 2002 04:51:42 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mobile Survey) wrote: What do i do if I need to run a factor analysis and have non-normal distribution for some of the items (indicators)? Does Principal component analysis require the normality assumption. There is no problem of

Re: Robust regression

2002-03-01 Thread Rich Ulrich
On 1 Mar 2002 00:36:01 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Yu) wrote: I know that robust regression can downweight outliers. Should someone apply robust regression when the data have skewed distributions but do not have outliers? Regression assumptions require normality of residuals, but not

Re: Robust regression

2002-03-01 Thread Vadim and Oxana Marmer
If, for example, normality assumption holds then by doing robust regression instead of OLS you lose efficiency. So, it's not the same result after all. But you can do both, compare and decide. If robust regression produces results which are not really different from the OLS then stay with OLS.

Re: AIC

2002-03-01 Thread Alan Miller
SR Millis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]... What is the correct pronunciation for Akaike as in AIC? Thanks, SR Millis (rhymes with bacillus) In Japanese, all letters are pronounced. Try: Aka-ee-ke Now try pronouncing Toyota! `y` is always a consonant in Japanese, so it should be

Re: help on factor analysis/non-normality

2002-03-01 Thread Robert Ehrlich
to amplifiy a bit, the interpretability of regression tends to go down as the assumptions of normality and homogeneous variance are markedly different from reality. You can still go through the calcualtions but the interpretation of results gets tricky. Factor analysis is a sort of regression

Re: Means of semantic differential scales

2002-02-28 Thread Art Kendall
I would consider it a unipolar extent scale Maybe the visual anchor should be 0 to 6 to aid association with the number line concept Dennis Roberts wrote: At 01:39 PM 2/27/02 -0600, Jay Warner wrote: Not stressful 1__ 2__ 3__ 4__ 5__ 6__ 7__ Very stressful just out of curiosity how

Re: Means of semantic differential scales

2002-02-28 Thread Art Kendall
DMR, I should have read your previous posting more carefully I have now had coffee Not stressful 1__ 2__ 3__ 4__ 5__ 6__ 7__ Very stressful is a question that has an extent response format The cognitive schema the response format tries to invoke might be reinforced by anchoring with zero for

Re: Means of semantic differential scales

2002-02-28 Thread J. Williams
On 27 Feb 2002 15:01:24 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dennis Roberts) wrote: At 01:39 PM 2/27/02 -0600, Jay Warner wrote: Not stressful 1__ 2__ 3__ 4__ 5__ 6__ 7__ Very stressful just out of curiosity ... how many consider the above to be an example of a bipolar scale? i don't now, if we

Re: Applied analysis question

2002-02-28 Thread Brad Anderson
Rich Ulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On 27 Feb 2002 11:59:53 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brad Anderson) wrote: I have a continuous response variable that ranges from 0 to 750. I only have 90 observations and 26 are at the lower limit of 0, which is

Re: Applied analysis question

2002-02-28 Thread Dennis Roberts
At 07:37 AM 2/28/02 -0800, Brad Anderson wrote: I think a lot of folks just run standard analyses or arbitrarily apply some normalizing transformation because that's whats done in their field. Then report the results without really examining the underlying distributions. I'm curious how folks

Re: Means of semantic differential scales

2002-02-28 Thread Dennis Roberts
At 09:51 AM 2/28/02 -0800, Jay Tanzman wrote: I partially did this, insofar as I ran Pearson and Spearman correlations between several of the scales and, not surprisingly, the two correlation coefficients and their p-values were similar. that issue is entirely a separate one since the rank

Re: Applied analysis question

2002-02-28 Thread Rich Ulrich
On 27 Feb 2002 14:14:44 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dennis Roberts) wrote: At 04:11 PM 2/27/02 -0500, Rich Ulrich wrote: Categorizing the values into a few categories labeled, none, almost none, is one way to convert your scores. If those labels do make sense. well, if 750 has the

Re: Find PDF of RV with a given mean value

2002-02-28 Thread Herman Rubin
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Glen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chia C Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:a5g27d$e57$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi! I have a set of random numbers and if I know their expectation/mean, would it be possible to deduce a PDF to describe the distribution of them?

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2002-02-27 Thread Jim Snow
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Re: detecting outliers in NON normal data ?

2002-02-27 Thread DELOMBA
What about Hat Matrix ? Mahalanobis distance ? Yves Voltolini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 00f301c1be68$13413000$fde9e3c8@oemcomputer">news:00f301c1be68$13413000$fde9e3c8@oemcomputer... Hi, I would like to know if methods for detecting outliers using interquartil ranges are indicated

Re: CRIMCOORD transformation in QUEST

2002-02-27 Thread Paul Thompson
That is either a sloppiness in writing or reliance on the relationship between eigen decomposition and SVD. SSM - square symmetric matrix AM - arbitrary matrix In ED, SSM = Q E Q' In SVD, AM = P D Q' SSM = AM' AM = Q D P' P D Q' = Q D D Q' = Q E Q', if E = D D I haven't

Re: Applied analysis question

2002-02-27 Thread Dennis Roberts
At 04:11 PM 2/27/02 -0500, Rich Ulrich wrote: Categorizing the values into a few categories labeled, none, almost none, is one way to convert your scores. If those labels do make sense. well, if 750 has the same numerical sort of meaning as 0 (unit wise) ... in terms of what is being

Re: Means of semantic differential scales

2002-02-27 Thread Dennis Roberts
At 01:39 PM 2/27/02 -0600, Jay Warner wrote: Not stressful 1__ 2__ 3__ 4__ 5__ 6__ 7__ Very stressful just out of curiosity ... how many consider the above to be an example of a bipolar scale? i don't now, if we had an item like: sad happy 1 . 7 THEN the mid point

Re: Statistics Tool For Classification/Clustering

2002-02-27 Thread Mark Harrison
Good places to start: Optimal feature extractors, that's better than PCA because you whiten your inter class scatter and so put all inter class comparisons on the same level. The good thing is this will also reduce your feature vector dimensionality to c-1 (where c is # classes). PCA will not do

Re: Statistics Tool For Classification/Clustering

2002-02-27 Thread Mark Harrison
Corection typo: Should read 'Whiten intra class scatter' Mark Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:FIif8.16518$[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Good places to start: Optimal feature extractors, that's better than PCA because you whiten your inter class scatter and so put all inter class

Re: Applied analysis question

2002-02-27 Thread Rolf Dalin
Brad Anderson wrote: I have a continuous response variable that ranges from 0 to 750. I only have 90 observations and 26 are at the lower limit of 0, What if you treated the information collected by that variable as really two variables, one categorical variable indicating zero or non-zero

Re: Cauchy PDF + Parameter Estimate

2002-02-26 Thread Herman Rubin
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Glen Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Herman Rubin wrote: In article a5daqb$72k$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Chia C Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Does anyone come across some Matlab code to estimate the parameters for the Cauchy PDF?? Or some other sources about

Re: detecting outliers in NON normal data ?

2002-02-26 Thread Herman Rubin
In article 00f301c1be68$13413000$fde9e3c8@oemcomputer, Voltolini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I would like to know if methods for detecting outliers using interquartil ranges are indicated for data with NON normal distribution. The software Statistica presents this method: data point value UBV

Re: Means of semantic differential scales

2002-02-26 Thread Jay Tanzman
J. Williams wrote: On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:17:55 -0800, Jay Tanzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got chewed out by my boss for modelling the means of some 7-point semantic differential scales. The scales were part of a written, self-administered questionnaire, and were laid out like

Re: Means of semantic differential scales

2002-02-26 Thread Rich Ulrich
2. Perhaps more likely, your boss may have learned (wrongly?) that parametric stats should not be done unless scales of measurement are at least interval in quality. I don't know if his objection was to parametric statistics per se, but he did object to calculating means on these

Re: Means of semantic differential scales

2002-02-26 Thread Alan McLean
Jay Tanzman wrote: Jay Warner wrote: Jay Tanzman wrote: I just got chewed out by my boss for modelling the means of some 7-point semantic differential scales. The scales were part of a written, self-administered questionnaire, and were laid out like this: Not stressful

Re: Find PDF of RV with a given mean value

2002-02-26 Thread Glen
Chia C Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:a5g27d$e57$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi! I have a set of random numbers and if I know their expectation/mean, would it be possible to deduce a PDF to describe the distribution of them? Knowing the mean tells you (almost) nothing about the

Re: odds vs probabilities

2002-02-25 Thread David Smith
] Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 9:49 AM Subject: Re: odds vs probabilities probabilities. I know that probs have a problem in that they don't make multiplicative sense: = Instructions for joining and leaving this list, remarks

Re: Question on Conditional PDF

2002-02-25 Thread Glen Barnett
Chia C Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message a5d38d$63e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:a5d38d$63e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Glen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Do you want to make any assumptions about the form of the conditional, or the joint, or

Re: regression of non-normal data ?

2002-02-25 Thread Paige Miller
John Ziker wrote: This research deals with the classical anthropological question of food sharing among hunters and gatherers. There are a number of hypotheses being discussed within the field. This study is relevant for two models, namely kinship cooperation and reciprocity. The kinship

Re: REQ: Appendix A. of Radford Neal thesis: Bayesian Learning for

2002-02-25 Thread Jonathan G Campbell
Mark wrote: Hi, I'm CS student interested in Radford Neal thesis called Bayesian Learning for Neural Networks. I know that some years ago this thesis was available for download from author's site, but nowadays there isn't possible. I have searched it on Intenet so I have not known to

Re: Question on Conditional PDF

2002-02-25 Thread Chia C Chong
Glen Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message a5dev7$8jn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:a5dev7$8jn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Chia C Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message a5d38d$63e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:a5d38d$63e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Glen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL

Re: Cauchy PDF + Parameter Estimate

2002-02-25 Thread Duncan Murdoch
On 25 Feb 2002 07:56:56 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (kjetil halvorsen) wrote: It isstraightforward tlo write down the loglikelihood, and then whatever optimization routine (there must be one in Matlab) will help you! Just be careful when searching, because Cauchy likelihoods are frequently

Re: What is an outlier ? cont'd

2002-02-25 Thread Art Kendall
--A59A95727DA65C2AB2F9EBF5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That being said, occasions can arise where there are outliers other than from measurement or data entry error. Different disciplines have different approaches. What discipline are

Re: What is an outlier ?

2002-02-25 Thread Dennis Roberts
of course, if one has control over the data, checking the coding and making sure it is correct is a good thing to do if you do not have control over that, then there may be very little you can do with it and in fact, you may be totally UNaware of an outlier problem i see as a potentially MUCH

Re: detecting outliers in NON normal data ?

2002-02-25 Thread Glen Barnett
Voltolini wrote: Hi, I would like to know if methods for detecting outliers using interquartil ranges are indicated for data with NON normal distribution. The software Statistica presents this method: data point value UBV + o.c.*(UBV - LBV) data point value LBV - o.c.*(UBV - LBV)

Re: Cauchy PDF + Parameter Estimate

2002-02-25 Thread Glen Barnett
Herman Rubin wrote: In article a5daqb$72k$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Chia C Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Does anyone come across some Matlab code to estimate the parameters for the Cauchy PDF?? Or some other sources about the method to estimate their parameters?? What is so difficult

Re: What is an outlier ?

2002-02-25 Thread Glen Barnett
Voltolini wrote: Hi, My doubt isan outlier can be a LOW data value in the sample (and not just the highest) ? Several text boks dont make this clear !!! What makes an outlier an outlier is your model. If your model accounts for all the observations, you can't really call any of

Re: Means of semantic differential scales

2002-02-25 Thread Jay Warner
Jay Tanzman wrote: I just got chewed out by my boss for modelling the means of some 7-point semantic differential scales. The scales were part of a written, self-administered questionnaire, and were laid out like this: Not stressful 1__ 2__ 3__ 4__ 5__ 6__ 7__ Very stressful So, why or

Re: What is an experiment ?

2002-02-23 Thread Jay Tanzman
Art Kendall wrote: [snip good points] in your quasi-experiment you can possibly contrast different levels of specific pollutants, as well as kinds of pollutants, in different rivers at different times. I'm not a biologist, but I would be amazed if temperature did not affect population

Re: covariates !!

2002-02-22 Thread Thom Baguley
Rich Ulrich wrote: I've always done this in SPSS (6.1 and earlier) with ANOVA vara by grps(1,4) with covar/ Likewise. However, as I'm in a funny mood, it occurred to me that you could use the residuals from correlating the covariates with the separate grooup scores as input to a

Re: Question on CDF

2002-02-22 Thread Glen Barnett
Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:55:42 +1100, Glen Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A straight line CDF would imply the data is

Re: What is an experiment ?

2002-02-22 Thread SSCHEINE
Let me take a (somewhat) contrarian position to those previously expressed. An experiment is any test of a hypothesis. An experiment can involve the use of observational (unmanipulated) data, as long as the hypothesis is clearly stated prior to the collection of the data. While it is true that an

Re: Evaluation of skating

2002-02-22 Thread Rich Ulrich
On 19 Feb 2002 15:14:01 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trevor Bond) wrote: [ snip, much ] affected who won the gold medal. In fact, Looney (1994, p. 156) concluded: all of the judges with an Eastern block or communistic background not only ranked Baiul better than expected, but ranked

RE: SPC control limits

2002-02-22 Thread Simon, Steve, PhD
Title: RE: SPC control limits Jay Warner writes: The 'party line' is to take the first 30 or so points, calculate limits, throw out any outside ones add more at the end, until you have 30 points, all of which are inside the control limits. Actually, I have heard the opposite. Out

Re: Question on CDF

2002-02-22 Thread Henry
On Sat, 23 Feb 2002 00:27:00 +1100, Glen Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:55:42 +1100, Glen Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL

Re: What is an experiment ?

2002-02-22 Thread Jay Tanzman
SSCHEINE wrote: Let me take a (somewhat) contrarian position to those previously expressed. An experiment is any test of a hypothesis. An experiment can involve the use of observational (unmanipulated) data, as long as the hypothesis is clearly stated prior to the collection of the data.

Re: Question on CDF

2002-02-22 Thread Glen Barnett
Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I was trying to suggest that he meant the slope of the CDF was the height of the PDF. Oh, okay. Yes, that would be correct, but it shouldn't be called probability! Glen

Re: SPC control limits

2002-02-22 Thread Jay Warner
Inasmuch as the objective is to 'drain the swamp' - reduce product process variation, I find that in practice Wheeler's suggestion of focus on causes of that variation is on the mark. the procedure from the old Ford Manual, and I believe the 6th 7th Ed. of Grant Leavenworth, puts the focus on

Re: Which is faster? ziggurat or Monty Python (or maybe something else?)

2002-02-21 Thread Ian Buckner
Thanks for the enlightenment, George. I misinterpreted what was said in Numerical Recipes, where it starts by referring to the Box-Muller method, then gives your algorithm without any intermediate referral. Hence I had always thought of this method as being B-M. Hey, I learnt something new, can

Re: Question on CDF

2002-02-21 Thread Glen Barnett
Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Linda) wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi! If I plot CDF of a sample data and this CDF looks like a straight line cross through 0. What does this implies?? Normally, CDF

Re: Question on CDF

2002-02-21 Thread Bob
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Linda) wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi! If I plot CDF of a sample data and this CDF looks like a straight line cross through 0. What does this implies?? Normally, CDF will not look like a straight line but sth like a S2 shape, isn't?? Linda A straight

Re: garch residuals

2002-02-21 Thread dave fournier
I would fit the data with various (r,p) arma models with the the desired garch assumption on the evolution of the variance and consider both the likelihood ratios and autocorrelation of the standardized residuals to determine the best model to fit the data. I have code for this if you want

Re: Question on CDF

2002-02-21 Thread Henry
On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:55:42 +1100, Glen Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A straight line CDF would imply the data is uniformly distributed, that is, the probability of one event is the same as the probability

Re: How to test whether f(X,Y)=f(X)f(Y) is true??

2002-02-21 Thread Rich Ulrich
On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 22:21:38 -, Chia C Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip, various discussion before] I have an example of data of 2 RVs. When I tested the correlation between them, by simply find the correlation coefficient, it shows that the correlation coefficient is so small and

Re: Probabilities

2002-02-21 Thread Herman Rubin
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Zachary Agatstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you help me solve this problem: There are 8 baskets and 4 apples. Thrown at random, 3 of the 4 apples can go to any basket. The 4th apple, however, can only be thrown into baskets 1 through 4. What is the

RE: Chi-square chart in Excel

2002-02-21 Thread David Heiser
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ronny Richardson Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 7:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Chi-square chart in Excel Can anyone tell me how to produce a chart of the chi-square distribution in Excel? (I

Re: double exponential smoothing

2002-02-21 Thread Neville X. Elliven
Yvette wrote: Prediction Model using double exponential smoothing to estimate the linear trend in prices (as originally reported) and extending the trend to future years. The base period is about 8-10 years and a smoothing constant needs to be used to make the trend fairly responsive to

RE: Chi-square chart in Excel

2002-02-21 Thread Dennis Roberts
sure is easy in minitab ... one can draw a very nice curve (it's easy but, hard to post here) but, to make a distribution easy for viewing we can MTB rand 10 c1; generated 10 values from SUBC chis 4. a chi square distribution with 4 degrees of freedom MTB dotp c1 Dotplot: C1

Re: Efficient convergence method

2002-02-21 Thread Jay Warner
OK. You have a case where you sample from a 'population' of times from situation A a number of times, and from Situation B a number of times. Maybe C, D, etc. too. To compare 2 of these babies, use a t test. Keep sample size (n's of each) about equal, and go for it. Student 't' test is

Re: Which is faster? ziggurat or Monty Python (or maybe something else?)

2002-02-20 Thread Ian Buckner
The Box-Muller algorithm rejects roughly 22.5% of the generated points. I'm not aware of any bound on the number of consecutive rejections, other than a statistical one, hence my statement. I would welcome correction if this is not the case. Regards Ian Radford Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: Numerical recipes in statistics ???

2002-02-20 Thread J.Russell
I do not think this will satisfy on its own but it seems a good starting point. SPSS has up on its web pages the statistical algorithms for many of its procedures: http://www.spss.com/tech/stat/algorithms.htm As these are not the computer algorithmns (at least I hope not) I think you will

Re: Which is faster? ziggurat or Monty Python (or maybe something else?)

2002-02-20 Thread George Marsaglia
Ian Buckner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... The Box-Muller algorithm rejects roughly 22.5% of the generated points. I'm not aware of any bound on the number of consecutive rejections, other than a statistical one, hence my statement. I would

Re: Question on random number generator

2002-02-20 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Herman Rubin wrote: ExpVar = -ln(UnifVar); It is not a good method in the tails, and is much too slow. If I recall correctly, transcendental operations on a Pentium require only a couple hundred clock cycles and can usually be optimized to take place during other

Re: Correlations-statistics

2002-02-20 Thread Dennis Roberts
well, one simple way would be to add B and C ... then correlate with A if these are radically different scales, convert to z scores first At 02:05 AM 2/20/02 -0800, Holger Boehm wrote: Hi, I have calculated correlation coefficients between sets of parameters (A) and (B) and beween (A) and

Re: Evaluation of skating

2002-02-20 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Next question: How much does Rasch analysis depend upon the evaluators being ignorant that the method will be used? In other words, can (A) one Rasch-aware judge (B) a minority of Rasch-aware judges (C) a majority of Rasch-aware judges (but not the

Re: Normalization procedures

2002-02-20 Thread Bob Wheeler
?? It is well known. Haven't you checked the Combined Index to Statistics, or even looked in The Encyclopedia of Statistical Sciences? Niko Tiliopoulos wrote: Hello everybody, Has anybody heard of the Bell-Doksum test? If so could you please give me a reference or a short descriptiion of

Re: What is an experiment ?

2002-02-20 Thread Dennis Roberts
At 03:59 PM 2/20/02 -0300, Voltolini wrote: Hi, I was reading a definition of experiment in science to be used in a lecture and the use of treatments and controls are an important feature of an experiment but my doubt is... is it possible to plan an experiment without a control and call

Re: How to test whether f(X,Y)=f(X)f(Y) is true??

2002-02-20 Thread Vadim and Oxana Marmer
You can start with checking if they are correlated. It's simpler to do. If you find that they are correlated then you have the answer to your question. If you find that they are uncorrelated and you have a reason to believe that they may be not independent anyway then you can look for more

Re: Efficient convergence method

2002-02-20 Thread Jay Warner
the real question is, 'how much accuracy (precision, variance) is suitable?' If you were to repeat the simulation run (i.e., a test) a total of n times, then you could say that the true mean elapsed time was x-bar +/- (certain amount), with say 95% confidence. That is, if you were to then

Re: Correlations-statistics

2002-02-20 Thread Wuzzy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Holger Boehm) wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi, I have calculated correlation coefficients between sets of parameters (A) and (B) and beween (A) and (C). Now I would like to determine the correlation between (A) and (B combined with C). How can I combine

Re: SPC control limits

2002-02-20 Thread Rich Ulrich
On 20 Feb 2002 08:50:19 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MrTequila) wrote: Hi all, hope this is the right place. i was just wondering what you should do when you establish some control limits but some of the data points you've just used are outside of the limits you just established? should

Re: How to test whether f(X,Y)=f(X)f(Y) is true??

2002-02-20 Thread Chia C Chong
Vadim and Oxana Marmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... You can start with checking if they are correlated. It's simpler to do. If you find that they are correlated then you have the answer to your question. If you find that they are

Re: can multicollinearity force a correlation?

2002-02-20 Thread Wuzzy
to Consolidate people into groups and then re-run the data. I'm not sure if this will make a difference, but this is how i see it done in the literature. Statistics is interesting, it is hard to find information on the problems you come across and they can only be tackled by running more queries from

Re: How to test whether f(X,Y)=f(X)f(Y) is true??

2002-02-20 Thread Rich Ulrich
On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:30:19 -, Chia C Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vadim and Oxana Marmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... You can start with checking if they are correlated. It's simpler to do. If you find that they are correlated

Re: What is an experiment ?

2002-02-20 Thread Jay Tanzman
Voltolini wrote: Hi, I was reading a definition of experiment in science to be used in a lecture and the use of treatments and controls are an important feature of an experiment but my doubt is... is it possible to plan an experiment without a control and call this as an

Re: What is an experiment ?

2002-02-20 Thread Jay Tanzman
Voltolini wrote: Hi, I was reading a definition of experiment in science to be used in a lecture and the use of treatments and controls are an important feature of an experiment but my doubt is... is it possible to plan an experiment without a control and call this as an

Re: Numerical recipes in statistics ???

2002-02-20 Thread Robert Dodier
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Truth) wrote: I suppose I should have been more clear with my question. What I essentially require is a textbook which presents algorithms like Monte Carlo, Principal Component Analysis, Clustering methods, MANOVA/MANACOVA methods etc. and provides source code (in C ,

Re: How to test whether f(X,Y)=f(X)f(Y) is true??

2002-02-20 Thread Chia C Chong
Rich Ulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:30:19 -, Chia C Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vadim and Oxana Marmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... You can start

Re: How to test whether f(X,Y)=f(X)f(Y) is true??

2002-02-20 Thread Glen Barnett
Linda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi! I have some experimental data collected and can be grouped into 2 variables, X and Y. One is the dependent variable (Y) and the other is an independent variable (X). What test shall I made to check

Re: Chi-square chart in Excel

2002-02-20 Thread Glen Barnett
Ronny Richardson wrote: Can anyone tell me how to produce a chart of the chi-square distribution in Excel? (I know how to find chi-square values but not how to turn those into a chart of the chi-square curve.) Ronny Richardson

Re: Normalization procedures

2002-02-20 Thread Glen Barnett
Niko Tiliopoulos wrote: Hello everybody, Has anybody heard of the Bell-Doksum test? IIRC it's like a Wilcoxon 2-sample test, except that the ranks are transformed to normal scores. If that's the right test, it has ARE 1 vs the t-test (it has good power for small deviations), but as you

Re: Which is faster? ziggurat or Monty Python (or maybe something else?)

2002-02-19 Thread Ian Buckner
Generated on custom silicon (surprise). Box-Muller does not work for real time requirements. Ian Glen Barnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ian Buckner wrote: We generate pairs of properly distributed Gaussian variables at down to 10nsec

Re: Statistical Distributions

2002-02-19 Thread Herman Rubin
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dennis Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not to disagree with alan but, my goal was to parallel what glass and stanley did and that is all ...seems like there are all kinds of distributions one might discuss AND, there may be more than one order that is acceptable

Re: Statistical Distributions

2002-02-19 Thread Herman Rubin
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dennis Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: addendum if one manipulates n and p in a binomial and, gets to a point where a person would say (or we would say as the instructor) that what you see is very similar to ... and might even be approximated well by ... the nd

Re: Question on random number generator

2002-02-19 Thread Herman Rubin
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Robert J. MacG. Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Linda wrote: I want to generate a series of random variables, X with exponential PDF with a given mean,MU value. However, I only want X to be in some specified lower and upper limit?? Say between 0 - 150 i.e.

Re: Statistical Distributions

2002-02-19 Thread Dennis Roberts
At 07:34 AM 2/19/02 -0500, Herman Rubin wrote: I do not see this. The binomial distribution is a natural one; the normal distribution, while it has lots of mathematical properties, is not. i don't know of any distribution that is natural ... what does that mean? inherent in the universe? all

Re: Which is faster? ziggurat or Monty Python (or maybe something else?)

2002-02-19 Thread Radford Neal
Box-Muller does not work for real time requirements. This isn't true, of course. A real time application is one where one must guarantee that an operation takes no more than some specified maximum time. The Box-Muller method for generating normal random variates does not involve any operations

Re: covariates !!

2002-02-19 Thread Rich Ulrich
On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:57:36 +0100, jan plessers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I did a likert on 2 groups, a Mann-whitney showed that ther was a significant difference between the 2 groups. If 'did a Likert' means what I expect, and the scaling was decent enough to be worth commenting

Re: can multicollinearity force a correlation?

2002-02-19 Thread Rich Ulrich
On 18 Feb 2002 16:29:27 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wuzzy) wrote: You should take note that R^2 is *not* a very good measure of 'effect size.' Hi Rich, you asked to see my data, - I don't remember doing that - i've posted the visual at

Re: Which is faster? ziggurat or Monty Python (or maybe something else?)

2002-02-19 Thread Herman Rubin
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Radford Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Box-Muller does not work for real time requirements. This isn't true, of course. A real time application is one where one must guarantee that an operation takes no more than some specified maximum time. The Box-Muller method

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