I only saw Trungpa once, in person. After his lecture my friend talked
to him and he advised giving up any mantra and just sitting with the
out-breath awareness - which was his recommendation for practice at the
time.
I don't know anything about Shambhala training but was never convinced
that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote:
That's it?
What a puny, anemic insult. You must be getting too
old and unimaginative to do better.
You attempt to defend Vag each time but lack
Oh no.
Don't tell me that Vag the concern troll is giving up.
What will I do? What will I do?
Who else will show such compassion here
for the lead-astray TM'ers but Vag?
He knows the way out of the TM maze.
Everyone follow him!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
Yep, compassion is the first word that springs to mind when I think of Vaj.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote:
Oh no.
Don't tell me that Vag the concern troll is giving up.
What will I do? What will I do?
Who else will show such compassion here
for the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote:
Yep, compassion is the first word that springs to mind when I think of Vaj.
Comment of the week ! :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@ wrote:
Oh no.
Don't tell me that Vag the concern
emptybill:
I have practiced Trungpa's style of shamataa and was
not impressed when compared to TM dhyana...
So, we are agreed.
The Sakyong Mipham uses bija mantras in the Shambhala
training. Maybe when you were there, the Trungpa
thought you were to advanced already - I don't know,
maybe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote:
You are wasting our time Vag.
You are also obviously afraid to answer those five questions.
I guess we should expect anyone who is a fake like you to ardently
refuse to answer questions about their background under any
(snip)
Guru, deva and dakini are the primordial state of spontaneous
presence. These are not separate.
Answer the simple questions. Or are you just a fake?
(snip)
Explore into the 'empty self' to see how cares about such things...
Who is the 'Self' that wonders about fake or not fake...
Maharishi used to always have a 'bad feeling' about the CIA getting too close
to him...
And, one time when he came to Fairfield, Robin Carlsen, was attempting to have
the Sherrif serve M with papers, that MIU attorney's were barely able to stop...
This incident happened during the Presidency
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Jul 9, 2011, at 10:36 PM, emptybill wrote:
You are wasting our time Vag.
Another ad hominem. Sheesh.
I'm beginning to think emptybill is really an empty person.
I'm beginning to think he's a late bloomer who is
still
Unlike Vaj, at least he HAS testicles!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
On Jul 9, 2011, at 10:36 PM, emptybill wrote:
You are wasting our time Vag.
Another ad hominem. Sheesh.
On Jul 10, 2011, at 7:12 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Jul 9, 2011, at 10:36 PM, emptybill wrote:
You are wasting our time Vag.
Another ad hominem. Sheesh.
I'm beginning to think emptybill is really an empty person.
I'm
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Jul 10, 2011, at 7:12 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
On Jul 9, 2011, at 10:36 PM, emptybill wrote:
You are wasting our time Vag.
Another ad hominem.
emptybill:
Calmness is not the same as state of least
excitation...
It's Tibetan, Bill, from the Tantras, not from the
Pali Sutras. Some students get mixed up and confuse
the 'vipassana-shamatha' practices of the Theravada
with the 'siddha-yoga' practices of the Vajrayana.
Vajrayana
turquoiseb :
It's a pretty Jr. High School mentality...
If Vaj is junior high school, you're about the
level of pre-school. LoL!!!
Fer chirssakes, Barry, we already know you're
a liar, but do you have be a hypocrite as well?
Go figure.
Willy, since fucking prairie dogs or whatever
you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
On Jul 10, 2011, at 7:12 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
On Jul 9, 2011, at 10:36 PM, emptybill
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 11:57 AM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote:
As if Barry and Vaj weren't themselves chronic
piler-oners and ad-hominemers. As if the very
posts in which they're criticizing piling on
and ad hominem aren't glaring examples of both.
You really gotta wonder about the
Nah, he just wants attention. Like I said he inserts emotional triggers into
his posts and waits for someone to react. Content doesn't matter - only the
gotcha does. As Gertrude Stein said, there is no there there.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:
--- In
Amusing Chaim. You say Who?
but also who cares about such things ...
That only means I don't care about such things.
Why not just say that?
Aren't you still trying to get people to search for
the rabbit you appeared to pull from your top-hat?
The Palace of Occultism is destroyed.
Your former
That's it?
What a puny, anemic insult. You must be getting too old and
unimaginative to do better.
You attempt to defend Vag each time but lack the insight on how to do
so. You don't seem to understand the issues but, then again, you
only know your own opinions.
By definition, there is
Been married long?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote:
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 11:57 AM, authfriend jstein@... wrote:
As if Barry and Vaj weren't themselves chronic
piler-oners and ad-hominemers. As if the very
posts in which they're criticizing
Willy,
There is a Siddha sampradaya (lineage) in Buddhist Tantra but it is not
called siddha yoga.
The 84 Siddha-s have bequeathed various lineages but Tilopa-s line of
direct awakening through Ganga Mahamudra is not this kind of
gradualist path. Descriptively it is closer to Dzogchen.
The
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:
[...]
You really gotta wonder about the kind of person
whose mentality blocks all awareness of his own
behavior.
Jesus mentions it with the remark about noticing the speck of dust in someone
else's eye while somehow failing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote:
That's it?
What a puny, anemic insult. You must be getting too old and
unimaginative to do better.
You attempt to defend Vag each time but lack the insight on
how to do so. You don't seem to understand the issues but,
Besides, shamantha is just another variant on
TM, similar to Tibetan Dzogchen...
Vaj:
It's actually nothing like TM. Within a couple of
weeks Shamatha meditators were transcending for many
hours at a time.
It's just like 'TM': sitting meditation with a mental
object with
Vaj:
It's actually nothing like TM. Within a couple of
weeks Shamatha meditators were transcending for many
hours at a time.
Pray tell, what is your proof of that?
On Jul 9, 2011, at 1:40 PM, cardemaister wrote:
Vaj:
It's actually nothing like TM. Within a couple of
weeks Shamatha meditators were transcending for many
hours at a time.
Pray tell, what is your proof of that?
The experience reports came back pretty soon after the retreats ended.
Oh so sorry but you're been given the con's own definition.
There is no transcending defined in Buddhist meditation - which is the
source lineage for Alan Wallace's concentration training. The Sanskrit
word used by Buddhism is shamataa, from Sanskrit shama or calm plus
the Sanskrit word ending
On Jul 9, 2011, at 6:04 PM, emptybill wrote:
Oh so sorry but you're been given the con's own definition.
There is no transcending defined in Buddhist meditation - which is the
source lineage for Alan Wallace's concentration training. The Sanskrit word
used by Buddhism is shamataa, from
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Jul 9, 2011, at 6:04 PM, emptybill wrote:
Oh so sorry but you're been given the con's own definition.
There is no transcending defined in Buddhist meditation -
which is the source lineage for Alan Wallace's
You're just a bullshit con here, Vag.
The words sama-dhi and sam-aa-dhi are different in meaning. Sama-dhi is
not a cognate for Shamataa either.
Vag: But such confusion is common in TM teachers like
yourself.
This is not an argument but rather the sputtering of your pathetically
On Jul 9, 2011, at 8:25 PM, emptybill wrote:
You're just a bullshit con here, Vag.
Thanks for the ad hominem, it add SO much to already non-existent logic!
The words sama-dhi and sam-aa-dhi are different in meaning. Sama-dhi is not a
cognate for Shamataa either.
In Sanskrit, meaning is
On Jul 9, 2011, at 8:57 PM, Vaj wrote:
Non-sequitur - filled with more lies. And really none of your business - esp.
for a slimeball like yourself, who takes in the occasional weekend dharma
retreats in KC, while practicing ceremonial magic, claiming also to be a
practicing Greek Orthodox
You are wasting our time Vag.
You are also obviously afraid to answer those five questions.
I guess we should expect anyone who is a fake like you to ardently
refuse to answer questions about their background under any
circumstance.
Your claim, though, that I practice ceremonial magic is quite
On Jul 9, 2011, at 10:36 PM, emptybill wrote:
You are wasting our time Vag.
Another ad hominem. Sheesh.
I'm beginning to think emptybill is really an empty person. It makes me sad
to have to think that of any sentient.
You are also obviously afraid to answer those five questions.
No.
Again you are wasting my time.
Your claim that is that you are oh-so-private that you can't reveal
anything! What bullshit you evacuate here.
I would suggest that you go back and read the actual
private emails that I sent you when I first joined this forum. You and
I exchanged them on the
On Jul 6, 2011, at 11:12 PM, sparaig wrote:
When Vaj apparently attempt to score brownie points in an argument
this way, and never bother to apologize (that I am aware of), it
just confirms the rather nasty impression I have gotten of Vaj-as-a-
person, not just just his style of arguing
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 2:01 PM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote:
Actually he's known to have had concerns about electromagnetic
pollution. We had a discussion here awhile back about some new
warning about electric wiring emanating from the TMO, as I
recall.
(That's the *warning*
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:10 AM, sparaig wrote:
Allegedly MMY was poisoned. So much
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Jul 6, 2011, at 11:12 PM, sparaig wrote:
When Vaj apparently attempt to score brownie points in an
argument this way, and never bother to apologize (that I
am aware of), it just confirms the rather nasty impression
I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:
In my experience, the last resort of liars is to claim
the person who exposes and documents their lies is a
liar. In Vaj's case, when I've caught him in a lie, he's
typically accused me of lying without ever providing an
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote:
I was told by a Mother Divine that there was so much concern about
electrical current in the TMO that many ru homes have a switch they flip
which turns off all electricity in the bedroom when it's lights out time.
I'm
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:
In my experience, the last resort of liars is to claim
the person who exposes and documents their lies is a
liar. In Vaj's case, when I've caught him in a lie, he's
typically accused me of lying without ever providing an
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 4:13 AM, Robert babajii...@yahoo.com wrote:
I wonder why no one was ever charged in this crime...?
Who was the foriegnor in India, in 1991?
Anyone want to make a guess?
I could guess about a billion people. They're all foreigners. Very few
Americans there.
This
I wonder why no one was ever charged in this crime...?
Who was the foriegnor in India, in 1991?
Anyone want to make a guess?
This would explain why Maharishi retreated to Holland for all of the rest of
his years...
And also why he disliked the USA and Britain, politiically in his later
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/the-maharishi-years-the-u_b_86412.html
Very much reads like an historical novel with the narrator taking the first
person perspective.
Lawson
On Jul 6, 2011, at 4:13 AM, Robert wrote:
I wonder why no one was ever charged in this crime...?
Who was the foriegnor in India, in 1991?
Anyone want to make a guess?
I believe initially it was suspected by the paranoid Maharishi Mahesh
Yogi, that he was poisoned or perhaps it was his own
On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:08 AM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@... wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/the-maharishi-years-
the-u_b_86412.html
Very much reads like an historical novel with the narrator taking
the first person
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
snip
Chopra is a great self-promoter. If he promotes the Maharishi,
he promotes himself.
I think he would have done better for himself if he would have
done like Sri Sri Ravi Shankar did and remove any mention of
him from
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:
[...]
It occurs to me to wonder whether part of the reason for MMY
wanting to keep Chopra within the fold was that as long as
he was under MMY's thumb, he'd have to stick strictly with
MMY's teaching and wouldn't be able to
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/the-maharishi-years-the-u_b_\
86412.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/the-maharishi-years-the-u_b\
_86412.html
Maharishi had suffered severe abdominal pain and
inflammation of the pancreas, along with kidney
failure followed by a heart
On Jul 6, 2011, at 11:54 AM, richardjwilliamstexas wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/the-maharishi-years-the-
u_b_86412.html
Maharishi had suffered severe abdominal pain and
inflammation of the pancreas, along with kidney
failure followed by a heart attack.
Vaj:
So much
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
snip
Actually the latest study was found to have had the data
deliberately skewed.
Actually was found = one medical journalist said he
thought it was skewed in a blog post on Forbes.com.
IOW, Vaj's assertion above, directly
There must be hundreds of scientific reports
by now that that support the theory that TM
helps reduce the frequency of heart attacks.
Vaj:
Actually the latest study was found to have had
the data deliberately skewed...
Until we know why the paper was delayed, I think
I'll go with the
On Jul 6, 2011, at 12:46 PM, richardjwilliamstexas wrote:
P.S. I'm still waiting for you to post the links to the
research studies of meditation brain wave research
done up in Boulder at the Vajradhatu.
Are you referring to the Shamatha Project?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
snip
He was the creator of his own demise.
Yes, what a shame. Because of his unhealthy habits, there
he was on his deathbed at the age of 91, when he should
have had his whole life ahead of him.
Certainly he was greatly hated and
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote:
On Jul 6, 2011, at 4:13 AM, Robert wrote:
I wonder why no one was ever charged in this crime...?
Who was the foriegnor in India, in 1991?
Anyone want to make a guess?
I believe initially it was suspected by the
Just for da record, we had lengthy discussions of this
piece when it was published in February 2008, shortly
after MMY died. You can go look it up in the FFL archives
if you're interested, but suffice it to say we found a
number of problems with the facts in Chopra's account.
--- In
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 11:54 AM, richardjwilliamstexas
willy...@yahoo.comwrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/the-maharishi-years-the-u_b_86412.html
Maharishi had suffered severe abdominal pain and
inflammation of the pancreas, along with kidney
failure followed by a heart
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Jul 6, 2011, at 2:52 AM, Robert wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/the-maharishi-years-the-
u_b_86412.html
So much for TM reducing heart attacks, huh?
Vaj's vocabulary is so efficient; it tends to
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 1:32 PM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Jul 6, 2011, at 2:52 AM, Robert wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/the-maharishi-years-the-
u_b_86412.html
So much for TM reducing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote:
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 1:32 PM, authfriend jstein@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
On Jul 6, 2011, at 2:52 AM, Robert wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
[...]
It occurs to me to wonder whether part of the reason for MMY
wanting to keep Chopra within the fold was that as long as
he was under MMY's thumb,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
snip
He was the creator of his own demise.
Yes, what a shame. Because of his unhealthy habits, there
he was on his deathbed at the age of 91, when he should
On Jul 6, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Tom Pall wrote:
There was a presentation in the Dome on Sunday (to people with
valid badges, of course) pitching people to sign up for Maharishi
(SM) (TM) Vastu, MVVT, Ayurveda, Jyotish, Gemstones, Timeshares,
Coursse at Brahamastans, Support of Pandits because
On Jul 6, 2011, at 1:43 PM, Tom Pall wrote:
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 11:54 AM, richardjwilliamstexas
willy...@yahoo.com wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/the-maharishi-years-the-
u_b_86412.html
Maharishi had suffered severe abdominal pain and
inflammation of the pancreas,
Vaj:
Are you referring to the Shamatha Project?
Apparently there's no scientific research on the Shamantha
Project that has been published in peer-reviewed journals.
Besides, shamantha is just another variant on TM,
similar to Tibetan Dzogchen. So, any scientific discoveries
would
Actually the latest study was found to have had the
data deliberately skewed.
authfriend:
Actually was found = one medical journalist said he
thought it was skewed in a blog post on Forbes.com.
We should not misinterpret this unusual delay. It was a
nine year study, and it received
On Jul 6, 2011, at 2:12 PM, richardjwilliamstexas wrote:
Vaj:
Are you referring to the Shamatha Project?
Apparently there's no scientific research on the Shamantha
Project that has been published in peer-reviewed journals.
Apparently you don't pay attention. Elizabeth Blackburn found the
On Jul 6, 2011, at 2:32 PM, richardjwilliamstexas wrote:
Actually the latest study was found to have had the
data deliberately skewed.
authfriend:
Actually was found = one medical journalist said he
thought it was skewed in a blog post on Forbes.com.
We should not misinterpret this
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Jul 6, 2011, at 2:52 AM, Robert wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/the-maharishi-years-the-
u_b_86412.html
So much for TM reducing heart attacks, huh?
Allegedly MMY was poisoned. So much for TM
On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:10 AM, sparaig wrote:
Allegedly MMY was poisoned. So much for TM reducing the effects of poisoning,
you meant to say...
No, a myocardial infarction, a heart attack.
Maharishi had suffered severe abdominal pain and inflammation of the pancreas,
along with kidney failure
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Jul 6, 2011, at 2:32 PM, richardjwilliamstexas wrote:
[Vaj wrote:]
Actually the latest study was found to have had the
data deliberately skewed.
authfriend:
Actually was found = one medical journalist said he
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:10 AM, sparaig wrote:
Allegedly MMY was poisoned. So much for TM reducing the effects of
poisoning, you meant to say...
No, a myocardial infarction, a heart attack.
Maharishi had suffered severe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
On Jul 6, 2011, at 2:52 AM, Robert wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/the-maharishi-years-the-
u_b_86412.html
So much
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
[...]
It's actually nothing like TM. Within a couple of weeks Shamatha
meditators were transcending for many hours at a time.
And the paper that published the research on the unique physiological signature
of Shamatha=based
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Jul 6, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Tom Pall wrote:
There was a presentation in the Dome on Sunday (to people with
valid badges, of course) pitching people to sign up for Maharishi
(SM) (TM) Vastu, MVVT, Ayurveda, Jyotish,
The latest word is that the director of the NIH program paying for the research
requested the data 7 days prior and the researchers supplied the requested data
23 hours and 48 minutes before it was due to be published, so the editors
yanked the paper until the new data could be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:10 AM, sparaig wrote:
Allegedly MMY was poisoned. So much for TM reducing the effects of
poisoning, you meant to say...
No, a
Oh so sorry but you're been given the con's own definition.
There is no transcending defined in Buddhist meditation - which is the
source lineage for Alan Wallace's concentration training. The Sanskrit
word used by Buddhism is shamataa, from Sanskrit shama or calm plus
the Sanskrit word ending
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