[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-24 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:52 PM, markmeredith2002 wrote: Maybe his reputation within the theoretical physicists community has been damaged, but is that such a big deal. Hagelin gets paid well, gets lots of attention, esp

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-24 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being a TMO celebrity would probably be more fun than being a physicist...esp. with the groupies--young yoginis. I wonder how much he gets paid? In their public filings, nonprofits must list their 3

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:52 PM, markmeredith2002 wrote: Maybe his reputation within the theoretical physicists community has been

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-24 Thread Rick Archer
on 1/24/06 7:29 AM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In their public filings, nonprofits must list their 3 highest paid employees. In the last one I saw, Hagelin was listed at $120,000. In addition he has his Institute which I think is another source of donations-income. I

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 5:20 PM, authfriend wrote: OK, I've listened to it, and I think you need to listen to it again. The fallacy Wilber is talking about doesn't have anything to do with TM's claims. Perhaps you also

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you familiar with the movement's search for the elusive substance M and what M. said about it? Is that the substance that was said to be found in the bloodstream of TMers and suggested to be

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 4:46 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 2:36 PM, authfriend wrote: Are you familiar with the movement's search for the

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 5:20 PM, authfriend wrote: OK, I've listened to it, and I think you need to listen to it again. The fallacy Wilber is talking about doesn't have anything to do with TM's claims. Perhaps you also

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread Vaj
On Jan 23, 2006, at 9:34 AM, authfriend wrote: Well, first, we'd need to know what MMY *actually* said, rather than your version of it. Second, what Wilber was debunking was the idea of creating *electrons* (by which I assume he meant elementary particles generally), not molecules. Molecules

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread Vaj
On Jan 23, 2006, at 10:45 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 5:20 PM, authfriend wrote: OK, I've listened to it, and I think you need to listen to it again.  The fallacy Wilber is talking about doesn't have anything to do

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 5:20 PM, authfriend wrote: OK, I've listened to it, and I think you need to listen to it again. The fallacy Wilber is

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 2006, at 9:34 AM, authfriend wrote: Well, first, we'd need to know what MMY *actually* said, rather than your version of it. Second, what Wilber was debunking was the idea of creating *electrons* (by

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most interesting to me is that this [Hagelin] is one of the guys who led the charge in ffld in the mid 90s against other teachers popular in town, writing an editorial in the local paper saying MMY's teachings

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most interesting to me is that this [Hagelin] is one of the guys who led the charge in ffld in the mid 90s against other teachers popular in town, writing an editorial in the local paper saying MMY's teachings are

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 2006, at 10:45 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 5:20 PM, authfriend wrote: OK, I've listened to it, and I think you need to

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Well, again, we'd need to know what Hagelin actually *said* in the film, and what Wilber means by *more or less* every assertion.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get it now? We think so. You're still stalking Vaj, right? :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread Vaj
On Jan 23, 2006, at 11:19 AM, authfriend wrote: Again, we'd have to know exactly what MMY said, but it isn't inconceivable he meant the molecules were built from particles that were already available. Finally, at what point did MMY use this notion as a "sales ploy" for TM? Quantum physics is

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With response such as these, why should I waste my time? A very good question. Ponder it further. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get it now? We think so. You're still stalking Vaj, right? :-) Like I said earlier: You're delusional.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread Vaj
On Jan 23, 2006, at 11:16 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote:A few of the more respected, non-Ramtha scientists in the Bleep distanced themselves from the film after it opened saying their remarks were edited in such a way as to distort their true purport.  Hagelin did not distanced himself, in fact he

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 2006, at 11:19 AM, authfriend wrote: Again, we'd have to know exactly what MMY said, but it isn't inconceivable he meant the molecules were built from particles that were already available. Finally, at what

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With response such as these, why should I waste my time? A very good question. Ponder it further. :-) Translation: Barry doesn't like responding to

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote: Indeed. Be interesting to hear from him directly as to why he did it [touring with the Bleep crowd]. It's surprising to me that MMY didn't try to stop him from doing it. A story about John Hagelin touring: I'm trying to summon a memory of a conversation with a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread Vaj
On Jan 23, 2006, at 11:44 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get it now? We think so. You're still stalking Vaj, right?  :-) Now be nice, it's still just typical game playing. She hasn't shown up at my house in months. To

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread Vaj
On Jan 23, 2006, at 12:40 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:--- authfriend wrote: Indeed.  Be interesting to hear from him directly as to why he did it [touring with the "Bleep" crowd].   It's surprising to me that MMY didn't try to stop him from doing it. A story about John Hagelin touring: I'm

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Sad really--such incredible potential Hagelin had. No guru should be allowed to destroy someone's career. snip And let's please remember that John Hagelin is an adult, and as such, responsible for his choices. It

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread Vaj
On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:17 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Sad really--such incredible   potential Hagelin had. No guru should be allowed to destroy  someone's   career. snip And let's please remember that John Hagelin is an adult,

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Sad really--such incredible potential Hagelin had. No guru should be allowed to destroy someone's career. snip And let's please

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would seem he sold his soul for proximity and access. It certainly wasn't a career move :-). The term I've heard around the spiritual smorgasbord is 'attention whore' -- willing to do almost anything to stay in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:17 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Sad really--such incredible potential Hagelin had. No guru should be allowed to destroy

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:17 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would seem he sold his soul for proximity and access. It certainly wasn't a career move :-). The term I've heard around the spiritual

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:17 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Sad really--such incredible potential Hagelin had. No guru should be allowed to destroy

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The lost potential that pisses me off is Doug Henning, a genuinely gifted creative genius who was a bona fide celebrity influencing millions of people with his wonderful shows on stage and TV. He wasted all

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would seem he sold his soul for proximity and access. It

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, pretty silly stuff. Addicted to darshan. Not so silly if you've been there, done that. Harder to kick than heroin. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread Patrick Gillam
Vaj wrote: I wonder if your observation syncs with his publication of Is Consciousness the Unified Field? Seems to me that lecture came out some years later. So, is it the sense of the meeting that consciousness is *not* the unified field? Yahoo! Groups

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj wrote: I wonder if your observation syncs with his publication of Is Consciousness the Unified Field? Seems to me that lecture came out some years later. So, is it the sense of the meeting that

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread Vaj
On Jan 23, 2006, at 4:20 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:Vaj wrote: I wonder if your observation syncs with his   publication of "Is Consciousness the Unified Field?" Seems to me that lecture came out some years later. So, is it the sense of the meeting that consciousness  is *not* the unified

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 2006, at 4:20 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: Vaj wrote: I wonder if your observation syncs with his publication of Is Consciousness the Unified Field? Seems to me that lecture came out some years later.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj wrote: I wonder if your observation syncs with his publication of Is Consciousness the Unified Field? Seems to me

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread Vaj
On Jan 23, 2006, at 5:35 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 23, 2006, at 4:20 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: Vaj wrote: I wonder if your observation syncs with his publication of "Is Consciousness the Unified Field?" Seems to me

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj wrote: I wonder if your observation syncs

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread Vaj
On Jan 23, 2006, at 1:52 PM, markmeredith2002 wrote:Maybe his reputation within the theoretical physicists community has been damaged, but is that such a big deal.  Hagelin gets paid well, gets lots of attention, esp female, within the movt and now new age circles, gets into flaky films, had TBs

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-23 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being a TMO celebrity would probably be more fun than being a physicist...esp. with the groupies--young yoginis. I wonder how much he gets paid? Three gopis per day. :-) Yahoo! Groups

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread Ingegerd
A common story told to us on TM-courses - was about the meditator that wished for an apple and suddenly the apple was in his hand. I have never experienced such a thing, but I think from my mind it is possible from the consciousness to create material things. Deepak Chopra has explained it in

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A common story told to us on TM-courses - was about the meditator that wished for an apple and suddenly the apple was in his hand. I have never experienced such a thing, but I think from my mind it is possible from

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hoogeh snippeh #2: Quantum vacuum potentials are not unmanifest Spirit. OM AkAshastalliN^gAt.h OM - BS I 22 :D Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hoogeh snippeh #2: Quantum vacuum potentials are not unmanifest Spirit. OM AkAshastalliN^gAt.h OM Addenda corrigenda: - BS I 1 22

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread Vaj
On Jan 22, 2006, at 5:43 AM, cardemaister wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hoogeh snippeh #2: Quantum vacuum potentials are not unmanifest Spirit. OM AkAshastalliN^gAt.h OM  

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: File Under: TMO lies and marketing ploys; I'm not sure the TMO has ever made the claims Wilber debunks, actually. Boomeritis Hinduism; Pseudo- advaita Answers from biologist and physicist Ken Wilber.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread Peter
--- uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: File Under: TMO lies and marketing ploys; Boomeritis Hinduism; Pseudo- advaita Ken goes on to suggest that what might be influencing quantum realities is not Suchness

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hoogeh snippeh #2: Quantum vacuum potentials are not

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread Peter
I agree with Judy. The TMO is usually not that excessive in its use of quantum physics metapohors, but there are individuals with rather concrete thinking that hvave blurred the metaphor/ experience distinction. --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread Vaj
He only cites Chopra in the talk--which IMO means, by extension, the TMO.On Jan 22, 2006, at 9:35 AM, authfriend wrote:I'm not sure the TMO has ever made the claims Wilber debunks, actually. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread Vaj
On Jan 22, 2006, at 9:34 AM, Peter wrote:What do you mean by "works?" The goal of TM is self realization or is it relaxation? Seems like there has always been this public/private split in the teaching. TM is a great relaxation technique but of limited use for self-realization at least in the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread Vaj
On Jan 22, 2006, at 9:51 AM, Peter wrote:I agree with Judy. The TMO is usually not that excessive in its use of quantum physics metapohors, but there are individuals with rather concrete thinking that hvave blurred the metaphor/ experience distinction.   Fromm a movement web site. There are entire

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He only cites Chopra in the talk--which IMO means, by extension, the TMO. Does it? Chopra left the TMO quite a few years ago. What works of Chopra does he cite, and when were they published? On Jan 22, 2006, at 9:35

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 9:51 AM, Peter wrote: I agree with Judy. The TMO is usually not that excessive in its use of quantum physics metapohors, but there are individuals with rather concrete thinking that hvave blurred

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread Vaj
On Jan 22, 2006, at 10:42 AM, authfriend wrote:Where do they make the claims that Wilber debunks? The claims listed in your previous post were: --Physics proves God; the Tao finds proof in quantum   realities. --Your consciousness creates electrons. --Quantum vacuum potentials are unmanifest

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
I have experienced many odd coincidences, that could be also explained as just coincidences. I however think I have too many of them and many of those really don't feel like a coincidences, even if some I see as such. For a few years ago I was participating a vedic recitation weekend course by

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 10:42 AM, authfriend wrote: Where do they make the claims that Wilber debunks? The claims listed in your previous post were: --Physics proves God; the Tao finds proof in quantum realities.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread Ingegerd
I have had the same experience many times - and without thinking what it is, I have used it as a technique for many years. If I really want something seriously, a job, need for money, whatever, I wish and forget - and the wishes is fullfilled in some way or another. I do not know the

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about the technology of the Unified Field that TM and the TMSP is supposed to represent? I tried and I tried. I huffed and I

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: File Under: TMO lies and marketing ploys; Boomeritis Hinduism; Pseudo- advaita Answers from biologist and physicist Ken Wilber. http://www.tinyurl.com/cmay6 The first question has to do directly with the relation of

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: File Under: TMO lies and marketing ploys; Boomeritis Hinduism; Pseudo-advaita Answers from biologist and physicist Ken Wilber.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread Vaj
On Jan 22, 2006, at 12:37 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: File Under: TMO lies and marketing ploys; Boomeritis Hinduism;  Pseudo-advaita Answers from

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 12:37 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: File Under: TMO

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you familiar with the movement's search for the elusive substance M and what M. said about it? Is that the substance that was said to be found in the bloodstream of TMers and suggested to be Soma? If so,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread Vaj
On Jan 22, 2006, at 2:36 PM, authfriend wrote:Are you familiar with the movement's search for the elusive   "substance M" and what M. said about it? Is that the substance that was said to be found in the bloodstream of TMers and suggested to be Soma? If so, they were very excited about it at

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had the same experience many times - and without thinking what it is, I have used it as a technique for many years. If I really want something seriously, a job, need for money, whatever, I wish and forget - and

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread Ingegerd
It is nice when these things happens - in a very natural way. I saw a perfect yantra in the gap between waking and dreaming state, with all the deities. I have been looking for it since in all places that sells yantras, but I have not found it yet. Ingegerd --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 2:36 PM, authfriend wrote: Are you familiar with the movement's search for the elusive substance M and what M. said about it? Is that the substance that was said to be found in the bloodstream of

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 2:36 PM, authfriend wrote: I'm still interested to learn the dates of the works of Chopra that contained the premises you say Wilber was debunking (and therefore that those premises were automatically

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread doctor_gabby_savy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you familiar with the movement's search for the elusive substance M and what M. said about it? Is that the substance that

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread Vaj
On Jan 22, 2006, at 4:46 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 2:36 PM, authfriend wrote: Are you familiar with the movement's search for the elusive "substance M" and what M. said about it? Is that the substance that was

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread Vaj
On Jan 22, 2006, at 5:20 PM, authfriend wrote:OK, I've listened to it, and I think you need to listen to it again.  The fallacy Wilber is talking about doesn't have anything to do with TM's claims. Perhaps you also need to review what TM claims, for that matter. No that's all right, it's pretty

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-22 Thread TurquoiseB
Are you familiar with the movement's search for the elusive substance M and what M. said about it? Is that the substance that was said to be found in the bloodstream of TMers and suggested to be Soma? If so, they were very excited about it at one point, but nothing ever

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-21 Thread shempmcgurk
I always thought that the connection that the TMO made to quantum physics was always just a cute little analogy and nothing more. Never took it seriously and I always hoped no one else would either. Beyond being an analogy and using the platform of quantum mechanics to serve as an

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-21 Thread Vaj
What about the "technology of the Unified Field" that TM and the TMSP is supposed to represent? Are you saying all of that was just a razzle dazzle marketing spiel? Symbolic? Jungian archetypes of our collective unconsciousness? (LOL)Are you really telling me that TM and the TMSP is NOT a

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-21 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about the technology of the Unified Field that TM and the TMSP is supposed to represent? I tried and I tried. I huffed and I puffed. But I couldn't ever, never grasp what the f the TMO meant by the technology of

[FairfieldLife] Re: The great lie of Quantum Physics and Consciousness

2006-01-21 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I always thought that the connection that the TMO made to quantum physics was always just a cute little analogy and nothing more. Never took it seriously and I always hoped no one else would either.