Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

On Apr 11, 2006, at 11:51 AM, t3rinity wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 11, 2006, at 6:47 AM, t3rinity wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta said many times, that he was simply > > > lucky that he believed and trusted his master, and that he

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 11, 2006, at 6:47 AM, t3rinity wrote: > > > Nisargadatta said many times, that he was simply > > lucky that he believed and trusted his master, and that he wasn't a > > great intellect. He got it because he had trus

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

On Apr 11, 2006, at 6:47 AM, t3rinity wrote: > Nisargadatta said many times, that he was simply > lucky that he believed and trusted his master, and that he wasn't a > great intellect. He got it because he had trust, and accepted the > truth in the core of his heart, and that is the only way it c

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

Thanks. Good responses. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > >> Some people here are just > > > pissed about the call of the Satsang givers, to give up seeking, to > > > rather look at the

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Some people here are just > > pissed about the call of the Satsang givers, to give up seeking, to > > rather look at the truth which is there right now. > > I don't recall people getting "pissed" at the call to gi

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > wrote: > > > > > > As i said previously, the breaking of IT into infinite flow

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > > If yo

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > If you ever watch the videos of the early days of the yogic > > > flying olympics,

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In F

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > > wrote: > > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > > > wrote: > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > > wrote: > > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > OK. Maybe I am not following all the thread. Small and perhaps > > unimportant point, but I still didnt see Vaj saying that in satsangs > > he has he

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 7:48 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 7:41 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, V

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:49 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > > MMY's simple test f

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > > > > > > I was

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:49 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > MMY's simple test for someone in Brahman Chetana is: "can they > > > float?" > > > > Since CC

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:40 PM, t3rinity wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:59 AM, t3rinity wrote: > > > > > > > From what I know, and what I have seen > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK. Maybe I am not following all the thread. Small and perhaps > unimportant point, but I still didnt see Vaj saying that in satsangs > he has heard people say "I am enlightened and you are not". I didn't actuall

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > > > wrote: > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > > > > I was investigating the Satsang movement in the context of its > > > historic o

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > > As i said previously, the breaking of IT into infinite flow of > time, > > and infinte increments of space is the core delusion of an > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 7:48 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 7:41 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, V

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > > > wrote: > > >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

On Apr 9, 2006, at 7:48 PM, sparaig wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 7:41 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:49 PM, sparaig

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:49 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > > MMY's simple test f

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 7:41 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:49 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > > MMY's simple test for someone in Brahma

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:32 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > > Paraphrasing what t

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:49 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > MMY's simple test for someone in Brahman Chetana is: "can they float?" > > > > > > Since CC

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

On Apr 9, 2006, at 7:41 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:49 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > MMY's simple test for someone in Brahman Chetana is: "can they > float?" > > > > > > Since CC is associated

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:32 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > Paraphrasing what the official stance in the TMO is about claiming > > > enlightenment: > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:49 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > MMY's simple test for someone in Brahman Chetana is: "can they float?" > > > Since CC is associated with yoga/samkhya-darshana and Patanjali's > yoga-sutra why would the

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:32 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > Paraphrasing what the official stance in the TMO is about claiming > > enlightenment: > > > > People may say "liar" and be turned off to TM because they believe you > > are

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > > > I don't know about that. In the Satsangs that I observered, nobody > > > stands there saying: 'I am enlightened and you are not' I indeed have > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:49 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > MMY's simple test for someone in Brahman Chetana is: "can they float?" > > > Since CC is associated with yoga/samkhya-darshana and Patanjali's > yoga-sutra why would th

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:32 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > Paraphrasing what the official stance in the TMO is about claiming > > enlightenment: > > > > People may say "liar" and be turned off to TM because they believe you > > are

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:49 PM, sparaig wrote: > MMY's simple test for someone in Brahman Chetana is: "can they float?" Since CC is associated with yoga/samkhya-darshana and Patanjali's yoga-sutra why would they not be able to float having achieved turiyatita ("CC")? ---

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:32 PM, sparaig wrote: > Paraphrasing what the official stance in the TMO is about claiming > enlightenment: > > People may say "liar" and be turned off to TM because they believe you > are lying. > > People may look at you and say "Who wants to be like that?" and stop > medit

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > > I was investigating the Satsang movement in the context of its > > historic origin, > > which is good to do > > > while you mix it with Zen Buddhism

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:59 AM, t3rinity wrote: > > > > > > > From what I know, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > wrote: > > All of your references and observations above, bindu hot spots, etc,

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: **SNIP** > > > > MMY's simple test for someone in Brahman Chetana is: "can they float?" > > > Yes, thats an interesting one. I have hear

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > All of your references and observations above, bindu hot spots, etc, > have to do with the active intellect, the intellect in motion, > problem s

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > > But some in the neo-satsong crowd disgard this is non-sense, "you > > expect too much", "let go of your expectations", "MMY is wrong", > > "there

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > wrote: > > > > > > Its too bad straight forward questions can't be asked and ans

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > [...] > > > > No

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > wrote: > > > > > > First, "he did find consistent physiological differences between

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > > > wrote: > > >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:00 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: > > I don't know about that. In the Satsangs that I observered, nobody > > stands there saying: 'I am enlightened and you are not' I indeed > have > > never heard of this. > > I don't see Vaj stating that. You maybe are reading into his post >

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [...] > > > Not very selective. But you do answer questions, or respond to > > > observato

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > > First, "he did find consistent physiological differences between > > TMers who reported 24/7 witnessing and those who didn't" does not > > esta

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:43 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: > I used the "term exploding bindu points of knowledge" -- quite > loosely, not formally having any traditional knowldge of bindus -- > but it was a term that seemed to "fit". Do you have links (beyond what > I can find in a google search) the

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > > wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > wrote: > > > > > > > > But all this vers from my main point: why the prohibition and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:40 PM, t3rinity wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:59 AM, t3rinity wrote: > > > > > From what I know, and what I have seen > > > in the Satsang movement, this is exactly what is being done > there:

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:59 AM, t3rinity wrote: > > > > > From what I know, and what I have seen > > > in the Satsang movement, this is exactly what is being don

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > wrote: > > > > > [...] > > Answering questions can be a catalyst deeper understanding

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:59 AM, t3rinity wrote: > > > > > > > From what I know, an

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > > > > But all this vers from my main point: why the prohibition and > extreme > > > > reactions to simply asking questions about experiences. > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 2:09 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: > > > Does your reason for reference to a space and time starting point > > because you experience a source of knowldge in that? If so, it makes > > some sense from my e

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > wrote: > > > > > It raises the question as to why the observations and questions

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:59 AM, t3rinity wrote: > > > From what I know, and what I have seen > > in the Satsang movement, this is exactly what is being done there: The > > truth of non-duality is being pointed out and explaine

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > on 4/8/06 9:46 PM, anon_couscous_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > But all this vers from my main point: why the prohibition and extre

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > > > > Questioners are at times cast as "snakes" or as being jealous of not > > having any experience, etc. It seems that if the experience is true, > > and the interpretation of it is strong, any and all questions would b

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

On Apr 9, 2006, at 2:09 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: > Does your reason for reference to a space and time starting point > because you experience a source of knowldge in that? If so, it makes > some sense from my experince, though your words, to me do not clearly > get to that point. I used to di

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > [...] > Answering questions can be a catalyst deeper understanding, > > to bring light to unexplored perspectives and nuances. > > > > But, at lea

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:59 AM, t3rinity wrote: > > > > > From what I know, and what I have seen > > > in the Satsang movement, this is exactly what is being do

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] Answering questions can be a catalyst deeper understanding, > to bring light to unexplored perspectives and nuances. > But, at least in the case of CC, which is held to be purely due to a mechanical proces

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:59 AM, t3rinity wrote: > > > > > From what I know, and what I have seen > > > in the Satsang movement, this is exactly what is be

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:59 AM, t3rinity wrote: > > > From what I know, and what I have seen > > in the Satsang movement, this is exactly what is being done there: The > > truth of non-duality is being pointed out and explain

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > wrote: > > > That may be a story you are comfortable with, as you trot it out > > > v

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > > Its too bad straight forward questions can't be asked and answered. > > For example, > > > > > > "Jim, you appear to imply that you have a

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > wrote: > > > > > It raises the question as to why the observations and questions

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > wrote: > > > It raises the question as to why the observations and questions are > > being ignored. > > > > One possible hypothesis is because they have n

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > on 4/8/06 9:46 PM, anon_couscous_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > But all this vers from my main point: why the prohibition and extre

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

On Apr 9, 2006, at 12:19 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:>The only reply I have for both of you, is, 'argue for your limitations, and they are yours'. There is simply *no way* to justify the steps or signs of Enlightenment through the lens of the small self ego, something which you both persist in doing.

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/8/06 9:46 PM, anon_couscous_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > But all this vers from my main point: why the prohibition and extreme > > reactions to simply asking questions about eperiences. > > By whom? We

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The only reply I have for both of you, is, 'argue for your > limitations, and they are yours'. And where pray tell is there "arguing for our limitations" in the above? The above simply points out some observed ap

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 11:31 AM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > In some posts there seems to be a jumping around between a describing > > a dualistic state, turiya

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 11:31 AM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:59 AM, t3rinity wrote: > > > > > > > From what I know, and what I have see

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

On Apr 9, 2006, at 11:31 AM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:59 AM, t3rinity wrote: > > > > > From what I know, and what I have seen > > > in the Satsang movement, this is exactly what is being done

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:59 AM, t3rinity wrote: > > > From what I know, and what I have seen > > in the Satsang movement, this is exactly what is being done there: The > > truth of non-duality is being pointed out and explaine

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:59 AM, t3rinity wrote: > > > From what I know, and what I have seen > > in the Satsang movement, this is exactly what is being done there: The > > truth of non-duality is being pointed out and explain

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

On Apr 9, 2006, at 4:59 AM, t3rinity wrote:From what I know, and what I have seenin the Satsang movement, this is exactly what is being done there: Thetruth of non-duality is being pointed out and explained in terms ofhis own everyday experience, it is being discussed, and quite oftenpeople are g

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

On Apr 8, 2006, at 11:19 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ever watched a bunch of Gelukpa monks--who spend a lot of their > > time experientially investigating consciousness--debate? > > No, but some how I feel exactly as if I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

On Apr 8, 2006, at 11:11 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: > > > Puja's an example. A most profound darshan. > > > > > > The Holy Tradition puja? Indeed...really a form of guru-yoga IMMO. > > Yes, thats the example I was referring to. > > But upon reflection, various pujas and homas also create a stron

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > Ever watched a bunch of Gelukpa monks--who spend a lot of their > > time experientially investigating consciousness--debate? > > No, but some how I feel exa

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 8, 2006, at 10:14 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > I can only speak from my experience, which pertains to your > > > following point > > >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

on 4/8/06 10:11 PM, anon_couscous_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> The Holy Tradition puja? Indeed...really a form of guru-yoga IMMO. > > Yes, thats the example I was referring to. > > But upon reflection, various pujas and homas also create a strong > "darshan" atmosphere. Many people and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

on 4/8/06 9:57 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Failing all that, each darshana does have it's own internal logic to > it. Ever watched a bunch of Gelukpa monks--who spend a lot of their > time experientially investigating consciousness--debate? Not lately. Yaho

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

on 4/8/06 9:46 PM, anon_couscous_ff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > But all this vers from my main point: why the prohibition and extreme > reactions to simply asking questions about eperiences. By whom? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/grou

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ever watched a bunch of Gelukpa monks--who spend a lot of their > time experientially investigating consciousness--debate? No, but some how I feel exactly as if I have. The words bring a detailed image to mind. And the Gelukp

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 8, 2006, at 10:51 PM, anon_couscous_ff wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 8, 2006, at 10:14 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > > > I can only speak from my experien

[FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [...] > But all this vers from my main point: why the prohibition and extreme > reactions to simply asking questions about eperiences. Seems to me that this points out another aspect of why the TMO discourages casual disc

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: so called 'death'

On Apr 8, 2006, at 10:40 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > on 4/8/06 9:29 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > On Apr 8, 2006, at 8:09 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > >> on 4/8/06 6:30 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > Vaj, I consider you a friend and I respect your scholarship and > >

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