Re: [Finale] Sibelius 3

2003-09-29 Thread Mark D. Lew
At 1:00 PM 09/26/03, Matthew Hindson Fastmail Acct wrote: >The use of measurements displayed on the screen is again excellently >implemented in Sibelius. This is a really good feature that would be of >great use to many engravers. That's something that I would like very much. I would love it if

Re: [Finale] what did I do wrong?

2003-09-29 Thread Mark D. Lew
At 1:27 PM 09/29/03, David H. Bailey wrote: >I have noticed that / key beam connections don't always stay. [...] Surely I'm not the only one who remembers the old days when any return to the measure in Speedy entry would rebeam the bar. It wasn't all that long ago, was it? mdl ___

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 - other bugs

2003-09-29 Thread Mark D. Lew
At 6:29 PM 09/29/03, Kurt Gnos wrote: >I have a song and enter some lyrics. Now I copy something and change the >lyrics of the copied part --> now the "old" part, where I copied the lyrics >from, will change, too. Removing the lyrics of the new part using mass >mover - remove only - items - lyrics

Re: [Finale] WINFIN 2k, Ties and slurs

2003-09-29 Thread Mr. Liudas Motekaitis
In the program options there's something about tie conversion Screen/Postscript. Maybe that option needs your attention? (Just a guess). Liudas - Original Message - From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 5:50 AM Subject: [Fi

[Finale] WINFIN 2k, Ties and slurs

2003-09-29 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Listsibs: Just before starting my current project, I attempted to set the tie preferences so that when two notes are tied, rather than going from the center of the first notehead to the center of the second, the tie goes from just past the end of the first one, and ends just before the beginni

Re: [Finale] TAN: Extension ranges on ... Bass Clarinet

2003-09-29 Thread Tim Thompson
I was rehearsing a piece today on tenor sax with a pianist. My part went up to C (5 lines above), and I don't have to think too hard about that, as I am only reading one line, but the pianist was constantly asking "what's that note?" His part frequently had 6 ledger lines on both ends, and on

Re: [Finale] Finale, EPS and PDF

2003-09-29 Thread Richard Yates
I have no use for EPS but found just now that this works: Save the page as pdf using Distiller. Open in Acrobat. Crop to the selection that you want in Acrobat. Export as EPS. This seems to import okay into Word, but I cannot test printout as I have no ps printer. Also, a disadvantage is that c

Re: [Finale] Microtonal accidentals (newbie question)

2003-09-29 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Stan Hoffman wrote: Hi-- I'm trying to decide whether to upgrade to Sibelius 3, switch to Finale 2004 (Macintosh), or both. Can someone clue me in to how and how well Finale handles microtonal accidentals? Can you choose/define your own symbols? I just finished the typesetting on a sonata fo

[Finale] lost buttons

2003-09-29 Thread Stephen Onwood
Hi, When I installed 2k4 I like the docking of tool bars on the side of the window; it uses less vertical real estate. However, when opening Finale later I find that the buttons are spread out resulting in a number of them flowing off the bottom of the screen and inaccessible. When I hover ov

Re: [Finale] TAN: Extension ranges on ... Bass Clarinet

2003-09-29 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 05:01 PM, Daniel Dorff wrote: The reasons why I brought up the other options are that I do see them on music put in front of me, and that clarinetists aren't used to as many ledger lines below as tubists, which is why they should get used to seeing them. But (

Re: [Finale] Glisses and Accis (was: The Joys of Custom Lines)

2003-09-29 Thread Daniel Dorff
I'll add: What European Boosey did for Bartok in the 1920s (or whenever) with one metal-plate engraver has really nothing to do with what the NY office does with different tools for different composers in the 2000s, and there's a good chance their editor didn't really care about this subtlety as lo

Re: [Finale] TAN: Extension ranges on ... Bass Clarinet

2003-09-29 Thread Daniel Dorff
Andrew, I think we're agreeing, as (a) was my first choice. The reasons why I brought up the other options are that I do see them on music put in front of me, and that clarinetists aren't used to as many ledger lines below as tubists, which is why they should get used to seeing them. -DD -

Re: [Finale] Staff tool

2003-09-29 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 8:56 PM +0200 9/29/03, Mike wrote: Hi! Question 1: I'm trying to get slash notation by choosing, staff tool, select one bar, right klick and choose slash notation. I got a line that says slash notation but I still have my notes where they were before. No slash notation. All other notations works

Re: [Finale] Glisses and Accis (was: The Joys of Custom Lines)

2003-09-29 Thread David Horne
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:58:39 -0400, "Tim Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > In my own practice, I stop the line short of the accidental, because it > works, and is clean (in my opinion), but my opinion may not be that of > a publisher such as Boosey and Hawkes--and obviously, Bartok had a > g

[Finale] Microtonal accidentals (newbie question)

2003-09-29 Thread Stan Hoffman
Hi-- I'm trying to decide whether to upgrade to Sibelius 3, switch to Finale 2004 (Macintosh), or both. Can someone clue me in to how and how well Finale handles microtonal accidentals? Can you choose/define your own symbols? Do they play back? Thanks in advance for any information. Stan ___

Re: [Finale] TAN: Extension ranges on ... Bass Clarinet

2003-09-29 Thread Andrew Stiller
Daniel Dorff: when there's music for the bottom few notes, that's a lot of ledger lines, leaving 3 options: a) write treble clef at the normal transposition a 9th higher than sounds, and let the player get used to ledger lines or pencil in the note names, Oh c'mon, it's only 4 lines! Tuba pla

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 - other bugs

2003-09-29 Thread Craig Parmerlee
At 10:17 AM 9/29/2003 -0700, Brad Beyenhof wrote: If you copy a section, both the original and the copy will then be pointing to the same location in the "Edit Lyrics" dialog box. Thus, changing the word in the copy changes that location in the underlying lyrics. By extension, then, this will

RE: [Finale] Glisses and Accis (was: The Joys of Custom Lines)

2003-09-29 Thread Harold Owen
Steve Fiskum: I was just trying to find out the advantage of this practice and not start a feud. Sorry if I offended you. I would like to hear what people have to say about this practice. David Horne gave his opinion...what do other people think? And also: What is the advantage of this practic

Re: [Finale] Glisses and Accis (was: The Joys of Custom Lines)

2003-09-29 Thread Andrew Stiller
This conversation begs the question of whether glisses even *should* avoid accis. In my editions of Bartok String Quartets, the glisses always pierce the noteheads, acci or no. I have actually added extensions to my custom lines to force them to do this, accis be damned. This is one of the mai

Re: [Finale] Glisses and Accis (was: The Joys of Custom Lines)

2003-09-29 Thread Tim Thompson
In my own practice, I stop the line short of the accidental, because it works, and is clean (in my opinion), but my opinion may not be that of a publisher such as Boosey and Hawkes--and obviously, Bartok had a great deal of influence in the final result. Music typesetting has always been evolv

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 - other bugs

2003-09-29 Thread Kurt Gnos
Thanks, Brad, now I understand why it goes wrong;-) But wouldn't it be nice if finale also copied the text in Edit Lyrics, or at least we had an option for Finale to behave like that? I do a lot of arrangements right now, and often I first make a "original" arrangement by listening and writing

RE: [Finale] Finale, EPS and PDF

2003-09-29 Thread Kurt Gnos
Thanks Mike, I remembered this (and found the old e-mail) - but: Still won't work for me, and I tried, yes I tried. I tried three different PS drivers (including adobe generic), different settings, different fonts, but a) when I embed them in Finale, nothing works b) without embedding, the file

RE: [Finale] Glisses and Accis (was: The Joys of Custom Lines)

2003-09-29 Thread Fiskum, Steve
Hello Robert, I was just trying to find out the advantage of this practice and not start a feud. Sorry if I offended you. I would like to hear what people have to say about this practice. David Horne gave his opinion...what do other people think? And also: What is the advantage of this practi

[Finale] Staff tool

2003-09-29 Thread Mike
Hi! Question 1: I'm trying to get slash notation by choosing, staff tool, select one bar, right klick and choose slash notation. I got a line that says slash notation but I still have my notes where they were before. No slash notation. All other notations works fine. How come I can't see the slash

RE: [Finale] Finale, EPS and PDF

2003-09-29 Thread Mike Cholewa
Here is my workaround that I used in a newly finished project that included eps graphic exported from Finale 2003 in WinXP. I had to deliver the final result in pdf. Besides Finwin 2003a I used Illustrator 10, Acrobat 6 and Postscript fonts only, no use of ATM. I have posted this earlier on the lis

Re: [Finale] what did I do wrong?

2003-09-29 Thread JD
on 9/28/03 3:54 PM, Daniel Dorff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Help? I've just entered a passage of changing meters, mostly 5/8 and 7/8, > using WinFin2003a, using Simple Entry to get the notes in. > > All the 5/8 and 7/8 was displayed with individual flags, so I used the / > stroke in Speedy to

Re: [Finale] Glisses and Accis (was: The Joys of Custom Lines)

2003-09-29 Thread Robert Patterson Finale
First of all, check out the examples I cited before you knock it. (Bartok's 3rd Quartet is chock full of nearly every situation you can imagine.) Just because the lines pierce the noteheads does not mean they obscure the accis. Secondly, I find (for myself) that my intuitive sense of what ought

RE: [Finale] what did I do wrong?

2003-09-29 Thread Fisher, Allen
> If I can't set this for a document or passage, I wonder why the > beaming was forgotten after revisions? Dynamics and articulation > stayed intact. If you don't wanna change the time sig to composites, you can go to MassEdit-->Rebeam-->Rebeam to Time Signature. Setup a composite TS in there an

Re: [Finale] what did I do wrong?

2003-09-29 Thread David H. Bailey
I have noticed that / key beam connections don't always stay. Several things you could do: change your meters to show actual groupings, in the advanced dialog for time signatures -- put 2+3 in the top box of the first pair, and 8 in the bottom. Or 3+2, or whatever the groupings are you want.

Re: [Finale] what did I do wrong?

2003-09-29 Thread Daniel Dorff
Thank you all for such quick and clear advice! ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Glisses and Accis (was: The Joys of Custom Lines)

2003-09-29 Thread David Horne
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:29:38 +, "Robert Patterson Finale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > This conversation begs the question of whether glisses even *should* > avoid accis. In my editions of Bartok String Quartets, the glisses always > pierce the noteheads, acci or no. I have actually added extens

Re: [Finale] what did I do wrong?

2003-09-29 Thread Rick Neal
Hi Daniel,   While I'm not sure why things disappeared after you manually changed them, I can tell you how to easily get what you want.   In the time signature dialog, click composite. Here is where you enter the beaming like 3+2 or 2+3, etc. Enter 8 as your bottom number and click OK. Click opt

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 - other bugs

2003-09-29 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 09:29 AM, Kurt Gnos wrote: I have a song and enter some lyrics. Now I copy something and change the lyrics of the copied part --> now the "old" part, where I copied the lyrics from, will change, too. Removing the lyrics of the new part using mass mover - remov

Re: [Finale] what did I do wrong?

2003-09-29 Thread JohnBlane
In a message dated 9/29/03 12:05:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Can I tell Finale 2003a that in this document, or a range of measures, all 5/8 should be grouped 3+2 and all 7/8 should be grouped 3+2+2? If not, that's a good feature to look forward too. If I can't set this for a document o

Re: [Finale] what did I do wrong?

2003-09-29 Thread Tim Thompson
I'll jump in. At some point, Finale automatically checked the beaming, and rebeamed to the meter. (Look at speedy options, etc). Yes, you can set the beaming for the meter. In the change meter dialog, click the composite button, check the box for using EDU's, and enter the following values f

Re: [Finale] what did I do wrong?

2003-09-29 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On Sunday, September 28, 2003, at 03:54 PM, Daniel Dorff wrote: Two questions:   Can I tell Finale 2003a that in this document, or a range of measures, all 5/8 should be grouped 3+2 and all 7/8 should be grouped 3+2+2? If not, that's a good feature to look forward too. Yes, and fairly easily.

Re: [Finale] Mac to PC file import problem

2003-09-29 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On Saturday, September 27, 2003, at 08:30 AM, Michael Onwood wrote: Importing a.mus file from mac to PC is not some thing I do often. But when I do I more often than not get problems. The Mac file (2k1) is not recognized as a valid file format by my Winfin 2k4. Do any of you get similar dif

[Finale] Finale, EPS and PDF

2003-09-29 Thread Kurt Gnos
Yesterday I tried again to get Finale 2004 (WinXP) to produce EPS or PDF files to import in Quark XPress. I don't want to use pixel formats (TIFF), because I want the output scalable. First I tried EPS, using different settings and PS drivers. I only got stems without noteheads, keys etc. This

[Finale] Finale 2004 - other bugs

2003-09-29 Thread Kurt Gnos
besides my EPS exasperation there are other bugs, some of them old "friends", e.g.: I have a song and enter some lyrics. Now I copy something and change the lyrics of the copied part --> now the "old" part, where I copied the lyrics from, will change, too. Removing the lyrics of the new part us

[Finale] what did I do wrong?

2003-09-29 Thread Daniel Dorff
Help?  I've just entered a passage of changing meters, mostly 5/8 and 7/8, using WinFin2003a, using Simple Entry to get the notes in.   All the 5/8 and 7/8 was displayed with individual flags, so I used the / stroke in Speedy to group all the beams properly, and it worked fine, and the extrac

[Finale] Educational drum-website: for drummers and percussionists

2003-09-29 Thread www.drumrhythms.com
Hi, My name is Daniel Peralta. I am promoting a new educational website - for drummers and ethnic hand-drum enthusiasts. Website : http://www.drumrhythms.com Contains : - Interactive courses for Drumset, Congas, Bongos, Djembe, Shekere, Guiro, Pandeiro. - Teaching topics: basic tones, reading, t

Re: [Finale] TAN: Extension ranges on Barry Sax and Bass Clarinet

2003-09-29 Thread Daniel Dorff
 - Original Message - From: "Robert Patterson Finale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For the b. cl., I'm writing ossias for the extended notes, but I happen to know that the likely player for the premiere has the extension. I add:   On this topic, notating extended bass clarinet notes is inte

[Finale] Mac to PC file import problem

2003-09-29 Thread Michael Onwood
Hi all, Importing a.mus file from mac to PC is not some thing I do often. But when I do I more often than not get problems. The Mac file (2k1) is not recognized as a valid file format by my Winfin 2k4. Do any of you get similar difficulties? Am I doing some thing wrong? This particular fil

[Finale] Mac to PC file import problem

2003-09-29 Thread Michael Onwood
Hi all, Importing a.mus file from mac to PC is not some thing I do often. But when I do I more often than not get problems. The Mac file (2k1) is not recognized as a valid file format by my Winfin 2k4. Do any of you get similar difficulties? Am I doing some thing wrong? This particular fil

Re: [Finale] Glisses and Accis (was: The Joys of Custom Lines)

2003-09-29 Thread Éric Dussault
Le 29/09/03 12:04, "Fiskum, Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit: > What is the advantage of this to the end user? Why muddy an accidental with a > line when placing the line before the accidental gets the point accross and > (IMHO) retains a clean page? I can see where this would just clutter the p

RE: [Finale] Glisses and Accis (was: The Joys of Custom Lines)

2003-09-29 Thread Fiskum, Steve
> From: Robert Patterson > > This conversation begs the question of whether glisses even *should* avoid accis. In > my editions of Bartok String Quartets, the glisses always pierce the noteheads, acci > or no. I have actually added extensions to my custom lines to force them to do this,

Re: [Finale] Glisses and Accis (was: The Joys of Custom Lines)

2003-09-29 Thread Robert Patterson Finale
This conversation begs the question of whether glisses even *should* avoid accis. In my editions of Bartok String Quartets, the glisses always pierce the noteheads, acci or no. I have actually added extensions to my custom lines to force them to do this, accis be damned. Augmentation dots are a

[Finale] Re: The Joys of Custom Lines

2003-09-29 Thread Randolph Peters
Matthew Hindson wrote: Another problem with custom lines is that there really should be an option whereby note-attached ones can automatically avoid accidentals and augmentation dots. I find them close to useless because of this. TGTools does have the option to avoid accidentals on note attached

[Finale] lost buttons

2003-09-29 Thread Stephen Onwood
Hi, When I installed 2k4 I like the docking of tool bars on the side of the window; it uses less vertical real estate. However, when opening Finale later I find that the buttons are spread out resulting in a number of them flowing off the bottom of the screen and inaccessible. When I hover ov

[Finale] Re: Finale Digest, Vol 2, Issue 28

2003-09-29 Thread David Horne
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 09:24:10 +1000 From: "Matthew Hindson Fastmail Acct" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Finale] Re: The Joys of Custom Lines [] Another problem with custom lines is that there really should be an option whereby note-attached ones can automatically avoid accidentals and augmentatio