Re: [Finale] Is the same Sfp and Sfzp?

2004-01-28 Thread Owain Sutton
Thanks for posting my previous email correctly...apologies... 'sfz subito p' is a more sudden descent to piano than 'sfzp', as indicated by the extra word. 'sfzp' is a more sudden attack than 'sfp', or at least that's how I've always interpreted it. But my main point is not how each one

Re: [Finale] Custom Keyboard Shortcuts in OS X

2004-01-28 Thread Éric Dussault
On 28/01/04 01:26, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see the F5 next to the Mass Edit item in the Tool menu, and I see the Tool menu flash when I press the F5 key, but the tool does not change to Mass Edit. It's the same with all of the keyboard shortcuts I have attempted to

Re: [Finale] FinMac 04 Simple Entry annoyances, and Keyboard Shortcuts

2004-01-28 Thread Éric Dussault
On 28/01/04 01:04, Tim Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the issue of Panther programmable keyboard shortcuts, I had no trouble getting any custom mappings for menu items working with FinMac04 and X.3.1. I tried several submenus, including changing layers, selecting any particular Special

Re: [Finale] Is the same Sfp and Sfzp?

2004-01-28 Thread Javier Ruiz
In the particular case I am working on, the original score was prepared in Cubase, that probably does not have all the range of articulations that Finale provides. Since Sfp comes in the Maestro font I thought it was more common than Sfzp... Thanks to all for the answers. ¡De vuelta al

Re: [Finale] Is the same Sfp and Sfzp?

2004-01-28 Thread dumusic
In my use the two terms are similar but different. Since your original post I have been trying to remember where I have seen both in use. I know I've seen them both in the same score but can not recall now where it was. I deal primarily with band music so it must have been in a band work. It

RE: [Finale] FinMac 04 Simple Entry annoyances

2004-01-28 Thread Fisher, Allen
Lon-- When a note is entered it stays active until the next note is entered. This means that when I change the cursor to the note value of the next note to be entered, the note I just entered gets changed to the new value! How are you changing values? For me, I press 5 on the numpad, press A

[Finale] White out problem

2004-01-28 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Situation: Several voices in one staff. A middle voice is tied. The tie collides with other notes. I would like to white out the tie around the other notes. Unfortunately this doesn't seem to be possible. I can white out the notes, but the tie will always show. I want it the other way round. Is

RE: [Finale] White out problem

2004-01-28 Thread Cecil Rigby
If playback's not an issue perhaps you could use a slur instead of a tie? Sometimes there's not enough space to do even that. When there are loads of tied notes that all have the same duration you could enter them as two different chords with opposing stems, add the automatic ties and then move

Re: [Finale] Custom Keyboard Shortcuts in OS X

2004-01-28 Thread Tim Thompson
Okay, I found the rub. For the custom shortcuts to work in FinMac04, they must include the command key. Otherwise, they don't work, as reported by others. Tim On Jan 28, 2004, at 7:06 AM, Éric Dussault wrote: On 28/01/04 01:26, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see the F5 next

Re: [Finale] White out problem

2004-01-28 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 04:45 PM 1/28/04 +0100, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Situation: Several voices in one staff. A middle voice is tied. The tie collides with other notes. I would like to white out the tie around the other notes. Unfortunately this doesn't seem to be possible. I can white out the notes, but the tie

Re: [Finale] White out problem

2004-01-28 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 28.01.2004 17:03 Uhr, Cecil Rigby wrote If playback's not an issue perhaps you could use a slur instead of a tie? Sometimes there's not enough space to do even that. In what way would a slur take less space than a tie? When there are loads of tied notes that all have the same duration you

Re: [Finale] White out problem

2004-01-28 Thread Michael Edwards
[Johannes Gebauer:] Situation: Several voices in one staff. A middle voice is tied. The tie collides with other notes. I would like to white out the tie around the other notes. Unfortunately this doesn't seem to be possible. I can white out the notes, but the tie will always show. I want it the

Re: [Finale] Custom Keyboard Shortcuts in OS X

2004-01-28 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 28 Jan 2004, at 11:39 AM, Tim Thompson wrote: Okay, I found the rub. For the custom shortcuts to work in FinMac04, they must include the command key. Otherwise, they don't work, as reported by others. Tim Aha. Well, that sucks. Requiring the command key in all combos makes this feature

Re: [Finale] Is the same Sfp and Sfzp?

2004-01-28 Thread Keef
Very interesting argument but I was always under the impression that fp, sf and sfz were *accents* not dynamics. Basically, you punch it and get off of the punch as quickly as you can. That they look like dynamics and use the same characters make them confusing. Sfp and sfzp would not make

Re: [Finale] Is the same Sfp and Sfzp?

2004-01-28 Thread David W. Fenton
On 28 Jan 2004 at 13:56, Keef wrote: Very interesting argument but I was always under the impression that fp, sf and sfz were *accents* not dynamics. Well, I would separate fp from the others. It's quite clear from Mozart's autographs, for instance, that Mozart often used f followed by p,

Re: [Finale] Is the same Sfp and Sfzp?

2004-01-28 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 28.01.2004 19:56 Uhr, Keef wrote Sfp and sfzp would not make any sense to me as a performer. What's the word to describe these markings? What's the action intended? Wouldn't fp suffice? Would they change the level in the dynamic realm or not? Can you have an sfp at the mf level or

Re: [Finale] Is the same Sfp and Sfzp?

2004-01-28 Thread tim-cates
in my experience, many commercial composers/orchestrators use this indication incorrectly for a fp effect - worse, they'll put sfz and expect a fp from the performer.. it's almost as bad as using an accent () when what they really want is a note held full value from a wind player (happens

Re: [Finale] White out problem

2004-01-28 Thread Cecil Rigby
Sorry- I completely misunderstood! Cecil Rigby ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

[Finale] Message to Liudas

2004-01-28 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Liudas, your email address seems to be out of order, I got an error message returned. Anyway, your tip may well be the answer, thanks! Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL

Re: [Finale] Is the same Sfp and Sfzp?

2004-01-28 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 28 Jan 2004, at 03:08 PM, tim-cates wrote: in my experience, many commercial composers/orchestrators use this indication incorrectly for a fp effect - worse, they'll put sfz and expect a fp from the performer.. it's almost as bad as using an accent () when what they really want is a

Re: [Finale] White out problem

2004-01-28 Thread Richard Huggins
I was going to suggest Dennis's solution (shape expression, line thickness =0, fill with white), but without trying also to create a slur to go with it. You can create a shape of any size and shape, probably needing various ones, and use them to white out various areas as needed. If the document

[Finale] Accidentals Q

2004-01-28 Thread Richard Huggins
I'm doing a piano score. I have a situation where the displayed notation on beat 4 is identical to beat 1 in the same measure, notes which have accidentals. Due to the use of 8va in the earlier case but not in the latter, the second occurance would be played at a different point on the keys.

Re: [Finale] Is the same Sfp and Sfzp?

2004-01-28 Thread Keef
Well, I always assumed there to be a hierarchy of accents (much like a hierarchy of dynamics -- if you only have two dynamic levels, f and p will do, e.g.). Basically I always thought of it this way: sffz - strongest punch sfz - almost strongest punch sf (used if no sffz, but can be a level

Re: [Finale] Is the same Sfp and Sfzp?

2004-01-28 Thread Don Hart
By definition (Harvard Brief Dictionary of Music): -- sforzando (abbreviated sfz or sf) - forced, with a strong accent on a single note or chord. sfp means sforzando followed immediately by piano. -- fp - forte-piano, ie., loud followed by soft. sfzp wasn't in my dictionaries but if you use

Re: [Finale] Is the same Sfp and Sfzp?

2004-01-28 Thread Tim Thompson
On Jan 28, 2004, at 3:33 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Also, Johannes said it makes a difference to string players whether it's sfp or fp. Maybe he could elaborate on what that difference is? I'm still not exactly clear what the audible distinction is between all of the markings under

Re: [Finale] Accidentals Q

2004-01-28 Thread David H. Bailey
I would advise leaving the second accidental, since it is in a different octave to remove any doubt. Richard Huggins wrote: I'm doing a piano score. I have a situation where the displayed notation on beat 4 is identical to beat 1 in the same measure, notes which have accidentals. Due to the use

Re: [Finale] Is the same Sfp and Sfzp?

2004-01-28 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 28.01.2004 21:33 Uhr, Darcy James Argue wrote Also, Johannes said it makes a difference to string players whether it's sfp or fp. Maybe he could elaborate on what that difference is? I'm still not exactly clear what the audible distinction is between all of the markings under discussion

Re: [Finale] Accidentals Q

2004-01-28 Thread Owain Sutton
I can't think of a specific example, but I'm almost certain I've seen a repeated accidental after a shift to/from 8va. Probably where the second occurence was an upbeat to a new phrase. IMO, not to give a new accidental when the visual position of the note has changed would be a confusing

Re: [Finale] Accidentals Q

2004-01-28 Thread Michael Edwards
[Richard Huggins:] Due to the use of 8va in the earlier case but not in the latter, the second occurance would be played at a different point on the keys. Because of this, is there any precedent for repeating the accidentals on the second occurance? I've seen it both ways, but repeating

Re: [Finale] Message to Liudas

2004-01-28 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Liudas, I sent you a personal reply again, and got the same error again. Are you receiving these? This really does not look like the worm/virus (I received about fifty copies of it). Could it be that there is some overreacting SPAM blocker at your end. That's what it looks like in the error.

Re: [Finale] Font submenu in FinMac2004

2004-01-28 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 28 Jan 2004, at 05:01 PM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: On Wednesday, January 28, 2004, at 01:50 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Okay, this is bad... In the text tool in FinMac2004, I highlight the Font menu, which should cause the appropriate submenu (i.e., the listing of all fonts) to display. But

[Finale] Re:OSX Midi output

2004-01-28 Thread Mark Foster
I've been stumped by the MIDI aspect of OSX for the 3 weeks that I've been twiddling around. Knock on wood, and thanks to a quick reply to makemusic tech- things are now working for me. I have had little to no problem with the MIDI output using Sibelius, but had no success with Digital

Re: [Finale] Shortening secondary beam

2004-01-28 Thread John Bell
At 10:01 pm +0100 28.01.2004, d. collins wrote: I have an 8th, followed by a 16th rest, and then a 16th, beamed together. The secondary beam over the last 16th is too long. How can I shorten it? I would like to get the same thing I get with a dotted 8th followed by a 16th. You could write a

[Finale] QuicKeys X2 woes

2004-01-28 Thread Darcy James Argue
Gah. Does anyone know how to assign QuicKeys shortcuts to the buttons measure forward, measure back (scroll view), page up, page down, first page, and last page? This was always a difficult trick to pull off in OS 9, and despite all of the fancy new features in QuicKeys X2, it doesn't seem

[Finale] Horizontal scrolling in FinMac2004

2004-01-28 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi guys, It is customary in OS X applications to be able to hold down the shift key and use the scroll wheel (on 3rd-party mice) to scroll horizontally. In fact, this works in every OS X application I own (including Apple's own apps -- Safari, Preview, TextEdit) except Finale. I believe

Re: [Finale] Horizontal scrolling in FinMac2004

2004-01-28 Thread Javier Ruiz
Try to press the wheel and move to the right and left... Hi guys, It is customary in OS X applications to be able to hold down the shift key and use the scroll wheel (on 3rd-party mice) to scroll horizontally. In fact, this works in every OS X application I own (including Apple's own

Re: [Finale] Is the same Sfp and Sfzp?

2004-01-28 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jan 28, 2004, at 10:56 AM, Keef wrote: Very interesting argument but I was always under the impression that fp, sf and sfz were *accents* not dynamics. Basically, you punch it and get off of the punch as quickly as you can. That they look like dynamics and use the same characters make

Re: [Finale] Is the same Sfp and Sfzp?

2004-01-28 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jan 28, 2004, at 12:33 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: For instance, if you had a long note with an accent () and an fp indication below, how is that different from sfp or sfzp? In my mind, this question has the same answer as the same question with the p revmoved from both sides of the

Re: [Finale] Shortening secondary beam

2004-01-28 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jan 28, 2004, at 1:01 PM, d. collins wrote: I have an 8th, followed by a 16th rest, and then a 16th, beamed together. The secondary beam over the last 16th is too long. How can I shorten it? I would like to get the same thing I get with a dotted 8th followed by a 16th. Sounds to me like you

Re: [Finale] White out problem (playback)

2004-01-28 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jan 28, 2004, at 8:42 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: You're going to hate this solution! I do, because it doesn't play back! [...] 1. Create staff expression, shape. [...] I think Dennis's solution is the only one that works for what you need, Johannes. There are various ways to kludge

Re: [Finale] Shortening secondary beam

2004-01-28 Thread Owain Sutton
Apologies for the slight hijack...but thanks for pointing out the option you describe, it's there on PC 2k3. It's what I wanted for one particular case in something I'm copying, but it also alters a huge number of other beamings. In particular, 16th-note tuplets which are 'note-rest-note'

Re: [Finale] Is the same Sfp and Sfzp?

2004-01-28 Thread Owain Sutton
Looking at one piece which sprung to mind while following this conversation, I find markings including sffz sub.p, sub. ffp, sfzp, mfzp. As a performer, I view these as hybridstake each element in turn... sfz + subito + piano, and perform them in that order. And yes, 'mfzp' is

[Finale] Document settings (was Shortening secondary beam)

2004-01-28 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jan 28, 2004, at 4:25 PM, Owain Sutton wrote: It's what I wanted for one particular case in something I'm copying, but it also alters a huge number of other beamings. In particular, 16th-note tuplets which are 'note-rest-note' take a split second beam, where the composer (who wants things

[Finale] Ricoh AP2610 Discontinued?

2004-01-28 Thread Glenn Adams
Just my luck. I'm set to buy a new printer, and had decided on this one, only to find out it's been discontinued. Does anyone out there know of a comparably priced tabloid (11x17) printer? It was priced in the high $500's. Seems like a great deal. This gives new meaning to the phrase strike while