A big use of Finale for me is for short, single-line notation
examples used either as part of some teaching notes, home-grown
theory papers, or part of a question in an exam. To do this I utilize
the following abilities in Finale:
* Hide time signatures and key signatures
* Hide rests
* Measur
David W. Fenton wrote:
Er, doesn't Sibelius have a little copy protection/activation code
problem that ought to prevent you from switching, given that you
won't upgrade past Finale 2003?
Yep, they've got the same call-response sort of activation scheme
that Finale has.
Sibelius was ver
At 09:41 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote:
(Actually it is worse than that. The fingering number is
placed relative to the notehead and cannot be dragged to the left of a sharp
sign. I could drag it down so it went behind the sharp and then could not
grab it again to move or delete it.)
Could this be a
At 09:41 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote:
---BIG PROBLEM: You cannot use more than one instance of an articulation on
a chord. So if there is a guitar chord for which I want to have two '0' to
show open strings Sibelius will not do it.
? sure it will.I'm working on a job right now for a violin cel
At 06:30 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote:
---'Erase background' in the staff style does not seem to carry over to the
articulation.
---Vertical positioning in the staff style does not seem to carry over to
the articulation although I have the horizontal about right.
---Even with horizontal positioning c
Robert Patterson wrote:
Meanwhile, I suspect Finale has a poor track record of stealing users
from Sibelius. I do not say this because I think Sib is better or
worse. I'm just reporting my personal impressions of fact.
I would submit that there are two additional reasons Sibelius did a
bet
Not to mention EPS export, broken for years and years, and probably
never to be fixed. I must say I'm very tempted to switch, at least
for some projects.
It's also quite amazing that many of us got more attention from
Sibelius than from MM.
Dennis
You might be a different Dennis but I'm
David (and then Darcy) wrote:
If Finale doesn't start listening to its core users and stop
dicking around with fancy playback issues, it's going to lose the
entire educational and professional market, plain and simple.
David, this is a baseless assertion. First, hardcore engravers
don't dr
On 9 Jul 2005 at 19:46, Ken Durling wrote:
> At 05:18 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote:
> >
> > > When you R-click in Create>Text> Metronome Mark , you get a
> > > context menu that has a Q note, as well as others, which you can
> > > select and then follow with =158 or whatever.
> >
> >Ok, I can do that,
At 05:18 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote:
> When you R-click in Create>Text> Metronome Mark , you get a context
> menu that has a Q note, as well as others, which you can select and
> then follow with =158 or whatever.
Ok, I can do that, after about 10 tries.
What, are you trying to do it with your f
Looking that MOTU just updated Digital Performer to 4.6 for free to
it's 4.5 users, and seeing all the GREAT improvements, it makes me
laugh at MakeMusic and Finale. My God, there are a lot of useful,
functional features that I can get for FREE updating to 4.6.
Congrats MOTU!
Honestly, this l
On 9 Jul 2005 at 17:09, Ken Durling wrote:
> At 01:48 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote:
> >Also, I have major problems with understanding where my typing is
> >going when I do something like Ctrl-Alt-T (to insert text) -- there
> >is no onscreen indicator of where the text is going to appear, and
> >there
On 9 Jul 2005 at 17:06, Ken Durling wrote:
> At 01:48 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote:
>
> >How? I don't know how to create a metronome marking. I can choose
> >your sequence of commands, but I have no idea what I'm supposed to
> >type to get a valid metronome mark. Q=158? If I go to the Sibelius
> >Demo
At 01:48 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote:
Also, I have major problems with understanding where my typing is
going when I do something like Ctrl-Alt-T (to insert text) -- there
is no onscreen indicator of where the text is going to appear, and
there is a huge pause between my typing and the actual appearan
At 01:48 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote:
How? I don't know how to create a metronome marking. I can choose
your sequence of commands, but I have no idea what I'm supposed to
type to get a valid metronome mark. Q=158? If I go to the Sibelius
Demo help file (which is remarkably stupidly provided as a
phen
At 10:30 AM 7/9/05 -0500, Robert Patterson wrote:
>There was that ultra-expensive Synclavier system that some were working
>on in Dartmouth in the early eighties.
That was what was renamed Graphire when the programmer took it independent.
It predated Finale, and was never to my knowledge marketed
At 10:36 AM 7/9/05 -0500, Jim wrote:
>The Synclavier system was the basis for Graphire, IIRC.
>Is Graphire being produced/supported??
No. It has a support group, but no active development.
Dennis
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I've run into a bit of a quandary with the finale to a work I'm currently
trying to finish (which has been ongoing for about five years). The fourth
movement (of five) is a lovely passacaglia and the bass line (on which the
whole movement is based) only ever cadences when another rep
> > The documentation with the demo is extremely skimpy, as shown by my
> > having to ask all of these questions here. The real user manual does
> > not seem to be available to download. In my case, and I would guess
> > for other Finale users exploring a possible switch, this was not a
> > smart m
> Next go to "Menu or category" and choose "Keypad F-11
> articulations". Choose "fermata" and assign a key stroke or 2.
>
> Love to chat some more, but I have to go grocery shopping!
Thanks. I also got groceries. Lots of good fruit around here (Oregon) now.
Okay. I am closer in my quest for a f
On 9 Jul 2005 at 12:43, Richard Yates wrote:
> The documentation with the demo is extremely skimpy, as shown by my
> having to ask all of these questions here. The real user manual does
> not seem to be available to download. In my case, and I would guess
> for other Finale users exploring a possi
David W. Fenton wrote:
You would automatically recognize the 60.75 as a particular ratio in
comparison to the previous metronome marking? Gee, you must be one of
those Rain Man math whizzes.
You expect everything to be sightreadable? That must be very limiting.
If it said 9:8 (Q=60
On 9 Jul 2005 at 9:33, John Howell wrote:
> At 12:55 AM -0400 7/9/05, David W. Fenton wrote:
>
> >Anyway, that's enough for now. Most of the notational aspects I could
> >probably figure out how to configure, but I find the user interface
> >is, overall, really poorly done, with lots of places wh
On 9 Jul 2005 at 8:35, dhbailey wrote:
> Unfortunately, Sibelius tries to make that "gorgeous output and easy
> to use right out of the box" claim which leads to frustration in many
> beginners.
>
> Equally unfortunately, Finale has a known history of a steep learning
> curve (which has gotten to
On 8 Jul 2005 at 23:34, Ken Durling wrote:
> At 09:55 PM 7/8/2005, David Fenton wrote:
[]
> >I also find simple page navigation very frustrating. How do I move
> >right in the page display? [typed later:] Well, I've discovered that
> >there are scrollbars that can be turned on (don't know why t
On 9 Jul 2005 at 7:35, Owain Sutton wrote:
> David W. Fenton wrote:
>
> > But it tells me *nothing* about how to perform it. I just ignore the
> > extra, useless decimal places and play Q = 60 and measure out as
> > close to exactly 1 teaspoon as I'm able. If that's going to be the
> > result, I
At 03:55 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote:
How? Under File - Preferences - Menus and Shortcuts all I see are existing
menus. I go through Create - Symbol and then see no way to select a
particular articulation to make a shortcut to.
Hello Richard!
Once you are in "menus and shortcuts", open the drop-dow
Thank you again Ken and Dan,
> >Once you create your own set(s) of shortcuts, it is just like Finale
> >metatools. For example, I can select a note, strike "F", and bingo -- a
> >fermata appears, perfectly centered above the note.
How? Under File - Preferences - Menus and Shortcuts all I see ar
> Well, most articulations ARE available either on one of the 5 keypads or
> via a keyboard shortcut. Can you give an example of an articulation you
> could not access easily?
User defined ones for fingerings. I guess you must be able to add these to
the keypad (though i cannot find how), but wor
On 08/07/05, Darcy James Argue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Download the demo, read the manual, try inputting a page of music.
I tried out the Sib4 demo, and while the dynamic parts is really cool
(based on tests that were fairly superficial) I still felt stymied in
my attempts at numeric control
On 09/07/05, Johannes Gebauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lon Price schrieb:
>
> > Now, how do I get my instrument library to load in a file created with
> > Setup Wizard?
>
> I have no idea, actually, playback has never been one of my main
> concerns...
The default settings for instruments can
On 08/07/05, Ken Durling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 02:44 PM 7/8/2005, you wrote:
>
> >Well, standard metronomes don't have 69 as a setting, but the
> >original marking was 60.75, not 69.75.
>
> My Seiko quartz, which I consider a standard goes 60, 63, 66, 69, 72
> etc. So have the last 2 o
Lon Price schrieb:
On Jul 9, 2005, at 2:55 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Which version of Finale, pre or post Engraver slurs. If you are using
a recent version it sounds to me like your font annotation has gone
crazy, or your Engraver slur settings are wrong.
There are problems with Engraver
--- Robert Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Isn't the fundamental problem here that the pie is
> not getting bigger?
>
To some extent this is true. The number of people
interested in a professional notation product
increases somewhat slowly. The biggest source might be
in the form of inc
Yes, Ken! Someone else corrected me so it must be true -- I was
wrong! Unfortunately the email was deleted so cannot back check to see
what I missed.
I figure...
Nonetheless there is now a 5/12 within that 5/8 of this larger 12/8
(that you derived from the original metronomic 1/3 slower 4/
Oops, not "Find" but pitch "F" :-\
Ken
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At 11:22 AM 7/9/2005, you wrote:
At 01:29 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote:
This can get you to the last menu item in the sequence, but then there is no
way to shortcut to the exact articulation or text that you want.
Richard,
Once you create your own set(s) of shortcuts, it is just like Finale
metatoo
At 01:29 PM 7/9/2005, you wrote:
This can get you to the last menu item in the sequence, but then there is no
way to shortcut to the exact articulation or text that you want.
Richard,
Once you create your own set(s) of shortcuts, it is just like Finale
metatools. For example, I can select a
Andrew Stiller wrote:
This may seem an impossible task - until you realise that the ratio
54:60.75 is the same as 8:9, and 54:47.25 is 8:7. So they're
actually rather simple shifts in tempo.
And should have been notated as such.
In many cases the new 'deciaml' metronome marking is reach
At 10:29 AM 7/9/2005, you wrote:
This can get you to the last menu item in the sequence, but then there is no
way to shortcut to the exact articulation or text that you want. There does
not seem to be the equivalent of the absolutely essential metatools that are
in Finale. Indeed, unless there is
At 10:29 AM 7/9/2005, you wrote:
> set its vertical position. But I haven't figured out what that condition
> is. In the meantime I have to position each fingering manually.
I cannot find anything better.
OK, there's a plug-in called Reposition text. I just tried it and it
worked fine. T
Thanks Ken and Dan,
> >As a Finale user I want one key
> >shortcuts for each symbol but cannot find how to do this in the Demo with
> >its limited documentation.
> >
> >How does one quickly apply fingering numbers to a succession of notes?
>
>
> You create your own kbd shortcut. File>Preferences>M
On Jul 9, 2005, at 2:55 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:Which version of Finale, pre or post Engraver slurs. If you are using a recent version it sounds to me like your font annotation has gone crazy, or your Engraver slur settings are wrong. There are problems with Engraver slurs, but it sounds you are
Back in Sib 1.4, I had to do fingerings for a Liszt piece I was
engraving for Carl Fischer. It was an absolute nightmare. This was
before customizable keyboard shortcuts, so just creating a fingering
number in the first place was a multi-keystroke process, and none of
the positioning was auto
My approach, although I don't think I've done anything quite like B.F., is to
always give the performer something they can translate "on the fly." An
example was a tempo transition in one of my pieces that I could hear very
clearly, but took me a few hours over a couple of days to figure out wh
On 09 Jul 2005, at 12:10 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:
Honestly, I can't believe so many grown adults are so worked up over
software marketing hype (which sfaict is the only thing anyone has
seen about these linked parts).
Robert -- the Sibelius 4 demo is available NOW. It was immediately
ava
On Jul 8, 2005, at 5:50 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
And my bet is that Chopin didn't play his quintuplets with all 5
notes having exactly the same length. That is in contrast to what I
understand many of today's composers to be asking for.
No, he didn't want them equal. But he didn't want the
This may seem an impossible task - until you realise that the ratio
54:60.75 is the same as 8:9, and 54:47.25 is 8:7. So they're
actually rather simple shifts in tempo.
And should have been notated as such.
In many cases the new 'deciaml' metronome marking is reached by an
accel/rall from t
Johannes Gebauer wrote:
This will secure MakeMusic the educational
market, but not in the notation field, where Sibelius has already taken
over (perhaps not in numbers but with the V4 update certainly in
"fame").
This seems overly pessimistic to me. Sib is a strong competitor. It
looks like
At 11:16 AM 7/9/2005, you wrote:
At 08:01 AM 7/9/2005, you wrote:
Is there no autopositioning of such numbers as there is for articulations in
Finale?
Go to House style, Default positions, Text styles, where you can set
precise positioning, relative to the note.
Dan -
See my response to th
The Synclavier system was the basis for Graphire, IIRC.
Is Graphire being produced/supported??
- Original Message -
From: "Robert Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Finale] The ultimate Sibelius question...
about 1991, then it vani
Finale came out in (I believe) 1988, and it should immediately or very
quickly have been available in the UK. It had regular upgrades until
about 1991, then it vanished until about 1994. I first began hearing
about Sibelius (running on Acorn) in the early nineties. The first set
of features for
Robert Patterson schrieb:
If MM's strategy works, then Finale will be around a long, long time.
However, it may no longer be the program of choice for high-end
engravers. (Although that remains to be seen as well.) In any case, much
as I personally wish MM would stick to notation needs for Fi
At 08:01 AM 7/9/2005, you wrote:
Is there no autopositioning of such numbers as there is for articulations in
Finale?
Go to House style, Default positions, Text styles, where you can set
precise positioning, relative to the note.
Dan -
See my response to this thread. Wouldn't you first hav
Matthew, this is a pretty good list. I wish I knew a bit more
(learning) about some of the features in Finale that you mention as I
think some things are there in different form. A few comments.
At 06:48 AM 7/9/2005, you wrote:
My quick 2c:
- No scroll view in Sibelius. Having the last bar
At 10:03 AM 7/9/2005, you wrote:
I downloaded the demo this morning. The first feature I tried to look at was
fingering numbers. The Demo documentation offers no help. I can find in the
menus: Create - Text - Other Text - Guitar fingering (ALT C, X, O, G, OK)
to add a fingering number to one not
At 07:03 AM 7/9/2005, you wrote:
As a Finale user I want one key
shortcuts for each symbol but cannot find how to do this in the Demo with
its limited documentation.
How does one quickly apply fingering numbers to a succession of notes?
You create your own kbd shortcut. File>Preferences>Menus
At 9:28 AM -0500 7/9/05, Robert Patterson wrote:
Isn't the fundamental problem here that the pie is not getting bigger?
Sibelius had the luxury of learning from Finale's mistakes. Its
original features list was a litany of Finale's (then) shortcomings.
Apparently its entire reason for existing
Isn't the fundamental problem here that the pie is not getting bigger?
Sibelius had the luxury of learning from Finale's mistakes. Its original
features list was a litany of Finale's (then) shortcomings. Apparently
its entire reason for existing and strategy for growth was to be the
answer to
On Jul 9, 2005, at 5:14 AM, Lon Price wrote:
1. Virtually slur has to be tweaked. If I change the music spacing I can pretty much count on slurs going haywire, being drawn at an ungodly height, for instance, and colliding with all manner of notational elements--ties, accidentals, expressions, e
Can someone remind me why I _shouldn't_ switch to Sibelius? Seems like
it much more fulfills the promises of "CAE" (computer aided
engraving...).
My music school gave me Sibelius 3, including a five lesson course in how to
use it. I was excited and prepared really well for the first lesson: scan
I downloaded the demo this morning. The first feature I tried to look at was
fingering numbers. The Demo documentation offers no help. I can find in the
menus: Create - Text - Other Text - Guitar fingering (ALT C, X, O, G, OK)
to add a fingering number to one note. As a Finale user I want one key
Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Can someone remind me why I _shouldn't_ switch to Sibelius? Seems like
it much more fulfills the promises of "CAE" (computer aided engraving...).
My quick 2c:
- No scroll view in Sibelius. Having the last bars on the page jump
around I find intensely irritating.
At 12:55 AM -0400 7/9/05, David W. Fenton wrote:
Anyway, that's enough for now. Most of the notational aspects I could
probably figure out how to configure, but I find the user interface
is, overall, really poorly done, with lots of places where it's
extremely hard to find how to control things
Ken Durling wrote:
[snip]>
Sib's UI is not dreadful Far from it. It works wonderfully and is very
flexible. But it takes tine to learn. I'm still trying to find time to
pursue finding my way around Finale better. Neither program is perfect,
and layout is one of the tougher issues in Sibeliu
Noel Stoutenburg wrote:
David W. Fenton wrote:
I honestly don't think MakeMusic is big enough to run their
development projects in that manner. It basically means running
multiple codebases at the same time, and forking them before you've
finished implementing the features in a previous vers
Richard Smith wrote:
[snip]>
Here's where I will probably say the wrong thing on a Finale list. The
competition has been great for both programs. However, I think Finale
has benefited more than Sibelius. I think the long discussion of dynamic
parts here is an indicator of that. I remember pre-
Ken Durling wrote:
At 06:23 PM 7/8/2005, you wrote:
Can any Sibelius users out there confirm that Sib 4 fixed the bug that
makes octave-transposing instruments an octave off, like bari sax?
Hmm, I don't recall ever having a problem with tenor sax, which is also
an 8va transposer, and I wr
Colin Broom wrote:
Has anyone written a Finale 2006 review yet? Jari has in recent years
put one up on the tips site, but there hasn't been one yet. Jari, are
you planning on reviewing it? I'd be interested to know if there any
reviews by serious users/beta testers available.
It hasn't
Lon Price schrieb:
Time and knowledge base indeed. I'm one of those people who are sick of
tweaking, and would like for the default settings to be at least
to usable. I'm working on a book of pieces for flute and piano for my
students, and I find that I'm having to do a lot of tweaking to
Gerald Berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> But of course this 5/8 is 1/3 longer than the required 5/12. But hey,
> who's counting!
Please reread my previous paragraph. The 5/8 (5/Q) relates correctly to
the duplets (or dotted eighths) in the 12/8 (4/Q. or 8/E.).
Incidentally, this Brit has been
On Jul 8, 2005, at 11:07 AM, John Howell wrote:Ummm, save you the time and knowledge base needed to create your template? I, for one, don't speak EPVU or whatever the heck it is! It's my son who investigated Sibelius, not me, but my understanding from him is that the House Styles give you instantl
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