John Howell wrote:
We just learned about a potential bug in using Finale's Reference Manual
(or whatever it's called) for 2k8, from Daniel Spreadbury on one of the
Sibelius Lists. I'll let David Bailey explain it, since he seems to
understand it and I'm not sure I do, but it seems that MakeMus
Darcy James Argue wrote:
Joe from MM Customer Support wrote:
"2. (Chord transposition) While this is the normal functionality of
the program (as Finale does not make assumptions for how chords are
to be redefined/spelled when transposed in a staff with no tonal
center), feel free to submit a sep
I thought the PDF files worked just fine for Finale's On-Line
Documentation, and am bewildered as to why they would change.
much easier to edit/update and to encode the massive amount of links
and cross references, not to mention the ease with which you can
control styles.
it doesn't sound
At 05:30 AM 7/7/2007, dhbailey wrote:
>Daniel explained that the system they had been using to create HTML help
>files had several problems with it: 1) it required the use of Safari on
>Macs and IE on PCs and that wasn't changeable; and 2) it had lousy
>customer support and had major bugs which w
shirling & neueweise wrote:
I thought the PDF files worked just fine for Finale's On-Line
Documentation, and am bewildered as to why they would change.
much easier to edit/update and to encode the massive amount of links and
cross references, not to mention the ease with which you can contro
Is it as easy to print out the manual in 2008's HTML format as it was in 2006's
PDF format?
Yes, some of us print it out.
From: Aaron Sherber
Sent: Sat 07-Jul-07 8:16
To: finale@shsu.edu; finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Potential bug warning
At 05:30 AM 7/7/2007, dhbailey wrote:
>Danie
In Finale 2003a (on a Mac), I need two different mid-measure clefs, a
tenor clef on the second beat of the measure, and a bass clef on the
fourth beat of the measure. I have no problem inserting the first
moveable clef. However, when I double in the measure to get the second
one, a bass clef, I
On Jul 7, 2007, at 8:03 AM, Martin Banner wrote:
In Finale 2003a (on a Mac), I need two different mid-measure clefs,
a tenor clef on the second beat of the measure, and a bass clef on
the fourth beat of the measure. I have no problem inserting the
first moveable clef. However, when I doubl
Is it as easy to print out the manual in 2008's HTML format as it
was in 2006's PDF format?
Yes, some of us print it out.
you can always print from html pages, have you never tried?
it is quite easy to create CSS styles (html) specificly for printing
which give excellent output, much better
Dialog.
Is it such a hard concept to adopt? MM seems to fear it, while
Sibelius seems to grasp that in community both sides benefit. If MM
does not at least monitor this and the Yahoo forum, it is stupid on a
colossal scale. Not to participate is to fail to grasp that even in
admitting sh
From: shirling & neueweise
Sent: Sat 07-Jul-07 9:53
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: RE: [Finale] Potential bug warning
Is it as easy to print out the manual in 2008's HTML format as it
was in 2006's PDF format?
Yes, some of us print it out.
you can always print from html pages, have you nev
On 7 Jul 2007 at 5:30, dhbailey wrote:
> I simply asked Daniel why Sibelius had abandoned HTML in favor of PDF,
> especially in light of MakeMusic's abandoning PDF in favor of HTML for
> the help system in Fin2008.
>
> Daniel explained that the system they had been using to create HTML
> help fil
On 7 Jul 2007 at 12:42, shirling & neueweise wrote:
> it doesn't sound like a bug at all, but a design decision. each
> browser "reads" the html differently (IE being the worst, refusing to
> follow much of the standard html protocol), but designers usually
> create different style sheets that a
On 7 Jul 2007 at 10:29, Williams, Jim wrote:
> From: shirling & neueweise
> Sent: Sat 07-Jul-07 9:53
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: RE: [Finale] Potential bug warning
>
> >Is it as easy to print out the manual in 2008's HTML format as it was
> >in 2006's PDF format? Yes, some of us print it out
>
> Yes, but there have always been problems of pagination, right-hand
> text being cut off, etc.
>You must be using Internet Explorer -- only IE has these problems, as
>no other modern browser has them.
Correct. Have I not heard that the 2008 manual requires IE7?
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If I click Help > User Manual > Table of concents, Finale opens a
certain browser (NOT of MY choice), which reports: cannot find server.
Is that stupid or is that stupid?
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Well, Microsoft's HTML Help has to be coded for a certain browser, as
it runs using an embedded IE component for rendering. I don't know
what it does on Mac. And the files are not HTML, but an encoded form
or HTML that is nonstandard and specific to MS's proprietary CHM
files.
yes but you can
Never mind, I found it. I tend to get rather irritated by this Gate$.
I wrote:
If I click Help > User Manual > Table of concents, Finale opens a
certain browser (NOT of MY choice), which reports: cannot find server.
Is that stupid or is that stupid?
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On 7 Jul 2007 at 17:03, shirling & neueweise wrote:
[quoting me:]
> >Well, Microsoft's HTML Help has to be coded for a certain browser, as
> >it runs using an embedded IE component for rendering. I don't know
> >what it does on Mac. And the files are not HTML, but an encoded form
> >or HTML that
Okay, next stupid question (probably). I think the blue of the selection
tool is way too dark. Is there a place where I can change it to a
lighter shade? (I have searched the help files for the word color, but I
have found nothing on changing the colour of the selection tool.)
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I think you're not talking about MS's HTML Help format at all, but
HTML produced by MS products -- not the same thing at all.
ah, yes we are talking about two different things. but it would seem
that the old help files (PDF) were generated from MS docs, no?
--
shirling & neueweise ... new
On 7 Jul 2007 at 17:25, shirling & neueweise wrote:
[quoting me:]
> >I think you're not talking about MS's HTML Help format at all, but
> >HTML produced by MS products -- not the same thing at all.
>
> ah, yes we are talking about two different things. but it would seem
> that the old help files
On Jul 7, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Barbara Touburg wrote:
Okay, next stupid question (probably). I think the blue of the
selection tool is way too dark. Is there a place where I can change
it to a lighter shade? (I have searched the help files for the word
color, but I have found nothing on chan
Sorry to have wasted everyone's time on this. For some reason I had
forgotten that when printing a booklet w.o a duplexer, the page
listing needs to be pruned *in pairs*, not one page at a time. When I
did it the right way, of course everything came out the way it ought
to.
Andrew Stiller
K
David H. Bailey wondered:
And Les says:
Simple!MM has been completely faithful to its admirable long-term policy of
1) ignoring bugs/problems hoping they'll (or we'll) go away and 2) diligently
ferreting out those functions which actually work well so they can be properly
ruined. You k
Where do I tell Finale which browser to use? I hate IE.
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I haven't searched for the word colour yet. Would that help? :)
Christopher Smith wrote:
Hmm, I would have thought it would be under Preferences>Program
Options>Display Colors (note the United-States-ian spelling), but there
is nothing about the colour of the selection tool. I'm not sure
On Jul 6, 2007, at 12:57 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
7. 2-up printing seems to be broken. At least, I can't get it to work
with my HP 5100.
I had a similar problem in 2K7. The fix is to go into the Page Setup
dialog and select "Any Printer" from the pop-up menu, rather than the
name
At 10:47 AM 7/7/2007, David W. Fenton wrote:
>Well, Microsoft's HTML Help has to be coded for a certain browser, as
>it runs using an embedded IE component for rendering.
This is not, I believe strict MS HTML Help. It's built using a
product from MadCap Software (madcapsoftware.com). It works ju
At 09:53 AM 7/7/2007, shirling & neueweise wrote:
>
>>Is it as easy to print out the manual in 2008's HTML format as it
>>was in 2006's PDF format?
>>Yes, some of us print it out.
>
>you can always print from html pages, have you never tried?
But it is no longer as straightforward to print the e
At 10:22 AM 7/7/2007, Barbara Touburg wrote:
>Where do I tell Finale which browser to use? I hate IE.
We've been discussing this in the "Potential bug warning" thread
(which really isn't about a potential bug).
When you hit F1 from within Finale, the help file will always open in
IE on Win a
At 10:27 AM 7/7/2007, Barbara Touburg wrote:
>If I click Help > User Manual > Table of concents, Finale opens a
>certain browser (NOT of MY choice), which reports: cannot find server.
>Is that stupid or is that stupid?
It's true that when the help is opened from within Finale, it will
always us
At 11:19 AM 7/7/2007, Barbara Touburg wrote:
>Okay, next stupid question (probably). I think the blue of the selection
>tool is way too dark.
You're on Windows? Finale uses certain default highlighting colors
assigned by the system. There is no way to change this from within Finale.
Aaron.
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On 7 Jul 2007 at 12:30, Aaron Sherber wrote:
> At 10:47 AM 7/7/2007, David W. Fenton wrote:
> >Well, Microsoft's HTML Help has to be coded for a certain browser,
> as >it runs using an embedded IE component for rendering.
>
> This is not, I believe strict MS HTML Help.
It either is or it isn'
I doubt it. They use exclusively US spellings, like "color"
throughout the documentation.
C.
On Jul 7, 2007, at 12:22 PM, Barbara Touburg wrote:
I haven't searched for the word colour yet. Would that help? :)
Christopher Smith wrote:
Hmm, I would have thought it would be under Preferences
In Finale 2003a (on a Mac), I need two different mid-measure clefs, a
tenor clef on the second beat of the measure, and a bass clef on the
fourth beat of the measure. I have no problem inserting the first
moveable clef. However, when I double in the measure to get the
second one, a bass clef,
On 7 Jul 2007 at 12:30, Aaron Sherber wrote:
> At 10:47 AM 7/7/2007, David W. Fenton wrote:
> >Well, Microsoft's HTML Help has to be coded for a certain browser,
> as >it runs using an embedded IE component for rendering.
>
> This is not, I believe strict MS HTML Help. It's built using a
> pro
At 12:42 PM 7/7/2007, David W. Fenton wrote:
>On 7 Jul 2007 at 12:30, Aaron Sherber wrote:
>> This is not, I believe strict MS HTML Help.
>
>It either is or it isn't.
Duh.
My emphasis was unclear. I didn't mean that this might be "loose" MS
HTML Help. I mean that it wasn't the MS flavor at all.
At 12:55 PM 7/7/2007, David W. Fenton wrote:
>Meant to include these in my previous reply:
Sorry -- your post crossed with my last one.
>However, I'm not convinced they were using the same tools, as the
>Help file for the Sib4 demo (which is all I have) has this for the
>GENERATOR meta tag:
>
>
That was an error on my side. I hadn't changed the path for the help
files yet.
By the way, the installer offered no installation options. We used to be
able to choose from different kinds of installation.
Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 10:27 AM 7/7/2007, Barbara Touburg wrote:
>If I click Help > Us
So you are saying that it could be changed from within Windows?
Why do I suddenly find the colour too dark? I can't remember it being so
dark, strange.
Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 11:19 AM 7/7/2007, Barbara Touburg wrote:
>Okay, next stupid question (probably). I think the blue of the selection
At 01:07 PM 7/7/2007, Barbara Touburg wrote:
>By the way, the installer offered no installation options. We used to be
>able to choose from different kinds of installation.
You still can. For me, the Windows installer shows the EULA, the
install location screen, and then the 'Choose Components'
At 01:05 PM 7/7/2007, Barbara Touburg wrote:
>So you are saying that it could be changed from within Windows?
Possibly, but I don't know the details of XP and Vista color schemes.
(I'm on XP, but I'm running a custom "Classic" scheme.)
>Why do I suddenly find the colour too dark? I can't remem
I think I find it too dark because I can hardly see the contents of the
selection anymore. Have they changed that then? I don't have F2007
running anymore, so I can't check.
Aaron Sherber wrote:
Is it a different color from the selection color in Fin2007? It's the
same color on my system.
At 12:03 AM -0400 7/7/07, Christopher Smith wrote:
Didn't he write quite a bit for valve trombone?
Or some kind of weird hybrid piston-slide
instrument?
Kind of funny, because his parts are eminently
playable on regular slide tenor and bass
trombones (the stuff I've played of his,
anyway!
Given the amount of research Shifrin has done, together with the music
of the Dvorak 8th symphony (quite nonidomatic for slide trombone) and
other Dvorak excerpts, I'll accept it, at least until your paper comes
out.
(BTW, is the "slide trombone specialist ... named a permanent
instructor"
Barbara Touburg wrote:
Where do I tell Finale which browser to use? I hate IE.
That's just it -- apparently from within Finale, you have no choice.
Trying to open the help file opens it in IE on PCs and Safari on Macs.
But you can always open your preferred browser and then open the Finale
Today tons of spam has come into my inbox, so I guess the spam hiatus
that I wrote about a few weeks ago is over.
*sigh*
Fortunately, it's all on my old email addresses -- none of my new
ones have yet been compromised [knock wood!].
--
David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com
Dav
HI all,
Let's agree on what we are talking about here. For me, the problem (Fin
2008) is not with the tool (icon) being too dark, it's any measures
selected with the tool. I can't see what I have selected; on my screen the
selection turns a very dark blue-green (Win 2000 Pro).
Dan
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