I personally like to hear constructive criticism. I like to know that
we're doing right (or wrong) by y'all.
On Sep 23, 2008, at 12:08 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
But don't stop criticizing them on the *results* of their personnel
decisions -- that is something you have every right to complai
On 23 Sep 2008 at 9:38, Richard Yates wrote:
> >And it just seems rather rude of you to assume you can peer
> >into their shop and tell pontificate about whether they are
> >doing the right thing in allocating developer resources.
> >David W. Fenton
>
> And how is this different from assuming o
On 23 Sep 2008 at 12:59, dhbailey wrote:
> David W. Fenton wrote:
> [snip]
> > And it just seems rather rude of you to assume you can peer into
> > their shop and tell pontificate about whether they are doing the
> > right thing in allocating developer resources.
>
> I accept that and apologize
David W. Fenton wrote:
[snip]
And it just seems rather rude of you to assume you can peer into
their shop and tell pontificate about whether they are doing the
right thing in allocating developer resources.
I accept that and apologize.
--
David H. Bailey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>And it just seems rather rude of you to assume you can peer
>into their shop and tell pontificate about whether they are
>doing the right thing in allocating developer resources.
>David W. Fenton
And how is this different from assuming one can peer into David Bailey's
mind and pontificate about
On 23 Sep 2008 at 4:56, dhbailey wrote:
> How is the balance between the two development teams,
> though? Has SmartMusic received more engineers than the
> notation team, or is the notation team the larger of the two?
David, I just don't think this is any of your business. Software
developmen
Jari Williamsson wrote:
Eric Dannewitz wrote:
But don't you bundle TG Tools with Finale 2009? Isn't Align/Move
Dynamics in
there and I hear it doesn't work properly anymore in Finale 2009.
Yes, file a bug report. It's then MakeMusic's job to allocate the
resources needed to make the bundled
That seriously disappoints me, especially after Allen's
comment about how the TGTools is developed by Tobias,
implying that Finale has no responsibility to ensure that
TGTools works with the product.
I'm sorry, but if MakeMusic is shipping something with
Finale2009, it is despicable that they
Eric Dannewitz wrote:
But don't you bundle TG Tools with Finale 2009? Isn't Align/Move Dynamics in
there and I hear it doesn't work properly anymore in Finale 2009.
Yes, file a bug report. It's then MakeMusic's job to allocate the
resources needed to make the bundled plug-ins work with the new
David, your suspicion is incorrect. It's like Eric said, the version
of TGTools Lite that shipped with Finale 2009 includes an Align/Move
Dynamics function that is incompatible with Finale 2009. The Patterson
Lite plugins included with Fin2009 also have compatibility problems,
although the
Eric Dannewitz wrote:
But don't you bundle TG Tools with Finale 2009? Isn't Align/Move Dynamics in
there and I hear it doesn't work properly anymore in Finale 2009.
Somight want to look into that
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Allen Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
TG Tools i
Allen Fisher wrote:
The entire business has grown over the last 4-5 years. We have more
Notation Engineers than ever.
That's great to hear -- I am sorry I spoke out of turn,
then. How is the balance between the two development teams,
though? Has SmartMusic received more engineers than the
But don't you bundle TG Tools with Finale 2009? Isn't Align/Move Dynamics in
there and I hear it doesn't work properly anymore in Finale 2009.
Somight want to look into that
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Allen Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> TG Tools is written by Tobias Gie
TG Tools is written by Tobias Giesen. Not us.
On Sep 22, 2008, at 9:59 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
So could you get some of them on to get TG Tools to work with Finale
2009?
And maybe answer some of the questions in the Finale Forum. I went
there the
other day and it is a ghost town.
On
So could you get some of them on to get TG Tools to work with Finale 2009?
And maybe answer some of the questions in the Finale Forum. I went there the
other day and it is a ghost town.
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Allen Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> The entire business has grown ove
The entire business has grown over the last 4-5 years. We have more
Notation Engineers than ever.
On Sep 22, 2008, at 1:09 PM, dhbailey wrote:
Allen Fisher wrote:
Who told you this?
As it was sent privately to me, confirming a supposition I had aired
on the list, I don't feel it would be
Allen Fisher wrote:
Who told you this?
As it was sent privately to me, confirming a supposition I
had aired on the list, I don't feel it would be right to say
who told me that, even if I could recall. I just now
searched for the message and it isn't one that I kept, so I
couldn't even loo
Who told you this?
On Sep 22, 2008, at 4:51 AM, dhbailey wrote:
Jari Williamsson wrote:
dhbailey wrote:
MakeMusic has reduced the number of developers for Finale and put
them onto SmartMusic
How many developers? Which?
Best regards,
Jari Williamsson
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Jari Williamsson wrote:
dhbailey wrote:
MakeMusic has reduced the number of developers for Finale and put them
onto SmartMusic
How many developers? Which?
Best regards,
Jari Williamsson
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dhbailey wrote:
MakeMusic has
reduced the number of developers for Finale and put them onto
SmartMusic
How many developers? Which?
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Jari Williamsson
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Daniel Wolf wrote:
David Fenton wrote:
"If it weren't for Smartmusic, would MM still be in business at all?On
Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:00:10 +0200, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:"
The last time I looked at a financial statement from MM, notation
products (Finale) was the big income stream, dwarfing S
Today. The UI sucks. Really sucks. That home screen is totally useless. And
the whole selecting a song thing is really bad. Plus, you can't do anything
like rate them yourself. Nor can you have multiple playlists that are just
there. You can save them...but why does that need to be? Why not jus
Exercises, methods, and assignments do not follow. Specifically to SM
assignments, the student can't change the tempo slider when playing to
submit.
The following is reserved for solo repertoire, and there is a sliding
scale for how much it follows you, which can be customized as students
I don't believe we put this functionality in NotePad.
On Sep 19, 2008, at 1:15 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
I don't know what the problem is. That there's no longer a free
method of creating Smartmusic files?
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IA gets better every release. When was the last time you used it?
On Sep 19, 2008, at 3:58 PM, Eric Dannewiz wrote:
I also have found that the following feature doesn't work all that
well.
I can't remember the last time I used it.
Allen Fisher
Founder and Principal Developer
Fisher Art and
Like I mentioned, there are pretty good defaults. Strict tempo is kept
where necessary, and you can even add your own markers.
On Sep 19, 2008, at 3:01 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Maybe this is just a matter of bad default settings -- maybe the
default should be strict tempo, and the non-stude
Yes, there is.
I don't have the app on this computer, but you can set up different
Intelligent Accompaniment settings various places throughout the
piece. All pieces have defaults set that you can override.
On Sep 19, 2008, at 2:29 PM, dhbailey wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not sure
David Fenton wrote:
"If it weren't for Smartmusic, would MM still be in business at all?On
Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:00:10 +0200, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:"
The last time I looked at a financial statement from MM, notation products
(Finale) was the big income stream, dwarfing Smartmusic. The co
On 19 Sep 2008 at 13:07, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
> Not at all. The program is very valuable with the following thing turned
> off.
But not for a real-sounding accompaniment that a busker might use in
the subway, or a soloist might use playing at a wedding reception, or
any number of contexts wh
I believe even Sir. James Galway uses the program.he's mentioned it
a few times on his Galway flute list.
You can tell the program to what degree to follow..but I've never
found the feature particularly useful.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
and, of course, there are phrases where the soloi
Not at all. The program is very valuable with the following thing turned
off. You can have it just GO and you have to keep up. You can also have
a click sounding in addition to the accompaniment.
I also have found that the following feature doesn't work all that well.
I can't remember the last
On 19 Sep 2008 at 15:47, dhbailey wrote:
> David W. Fenton wrote:
> [snip]> Obviously, for teaching purposes with kids, you'd
> turn off this
> > feature, but for "grown-ups," it would be pretty useless without it,
> > no?
>
> As an accompaniment for adults performing, I quite agree
> with you
David W. Fenton wrote:
[snip]> Obviously, for teaching purposes with kids, you'd
turn off this
feature, but for "grown-ups," it would be pretty useless without it,
no?
As an accompaniment for adults performing, I quite agree
with you. But SmartMusic is marketed to schools for
students to
On 19 Sep 2008 at 15:05, dhbailey wrote:
> I've never understood the reasoning behind SmartMusic's
> ability to follow the student's tempo -- aren't we supposed
> to learn it's bad to slow down in the hard parts and speed
> up in the easy parts? How does that tempo-following ability
> help th
and, of course, there are phrases where the soloist may want to pull the
speed around within a strict tempo in the accompaniment and if the
accompaniment
follows, the result is not good. As I said, I've never used it so I don't
know what it's capabilities/limitations are. I can only guess
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not sure it's supposed to follow so that a student can fail to keep a
steady tempo, more that it can follow rubato and certain expressive changes of
tempo (but then again, I've never used it so I don't know what its
capabilities are)
I realize it's not suppos
Exactly. I turn off that "feature". The other thing I hate is the green
follow line that never seems to want to be turned off (you turn it off in
the preferences, but it comes back on when you load the program again).
StarPlay has a great idea about having a conductor on the screen. But the
library
I'm not sure it's supposed to follow so that a student can fail to keep a
steady tempo, more that it can follow rubato and certain expressive changes of
tempo (but then again, I've never used it so I don't know what its
capabilities are)
Cheers,
Lawrence
lawrenceyates.co.uk
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I've never understood the reasoning behind SmartMusic's
ability to follow the student's tempo -- aren't we supposed
to learn it's bad to slow down in the hard parts and speed
up in the easy parts? How does that tempo-following ability
help the student to learn to keep a steady tempo? I do
re
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:15 AM, David W. Fenton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> If this is true, I'm not sure why this is seen as a problem, given
> that Finale itself has never had backward compatibility of file
> format. What exactly do you mean by "will only work with 2009?"
I think he has it r
On 18 Sep 2008 at 21:18, Howey, Henry wrote:
> If you use SMARTMUSIC (and I really do love it) and FINALE (love-hate
> relationship), you'll be pleased to know that the latest version of
> SMARTMUSIC 11 will only work with 2009.
If this is true, I'm not sure why this is seen as a problem, given
Actually there is an application called
StarPlay. http://www.starplaymusic.com/index.php . It is a similar
practice/assessment aid but lacks Smartmusic's ability to adjust tempo
to the the student. It doesn't have the extensive content that
SmartMusic does, but it has a video component that can
Eric Dannewitz wrote:
But Sibelius does not work with Smartmusic. And they do not offer
anything like it...as far as I know.
Back on topic...makemusic did increase the price of a Smartmusic
subscription, but as the library of songs keeps going, it is totally
worth it (even though it has a
But Sibelius does not work with Smartmusic. And they do not offer
anything like it...as far as I know.
Back on topic...makemusic did increase the price of a Smartmusic
subscription, but as the library of songs keeps going, it is totally
worth it (even though it has a klunky interface).
At 9:18 PM -0500 9/18/08, Howey, Henry wrote:
I'm sure this topic is altogether tiresome for listmembers, but I've
just now caught MAKEMUSIC "making money" in its own nefarious
manner;-(
If you use SMARTMUSIC (and I really do love it) and FINALE
(love-hate relationship), you'll be pleased to
That's not true, I did a smart music exercise in finale 2007 yesterday
that opened and played fine with Smartmusic 11
On Sep 18, 2008, at 7:18 PM, "Howey, Henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm sure this topic is altogether tiresome for listmembers, but I've
just now caught MAKEMUSIC "making
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