Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-08-26 Thread Erik Hofman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At this site http://hcilab.uniud.it/pan you can download the results of a joint project between the HCI Lab of the University of Udine and the aerobatic team of the Italian Air Force (the Frecce Tricolori). Today they made a lunch and fuel stop at my local Airport (EHT

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:34:13 -0700 (PDT), Craig wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hello all, > > Where do I find this aircraft. Is it released yet? ..chk down the $FGROOT/data/aircraft/ tree. > Craig > > Arnt Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:48:01 -0500, Dave

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Jim Wilson
> From: Erik Hofman > > Jim Wilson wrote: > >>From: Erik Hofman > > >>Which they do, they clearly added modified versions of FlightGear > >>configuration files to the systems and sound directory. > >> > >>If they want us to respect their copyright I expect them to respect ours > >>and make clea

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:20:38 +0200, Erik wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Andy Ross wrote: > > > Basically, it seems to me like these guys are fine, with a few > > nit-picky exceptions like the joystick configuration. I don't think > > Yes, but why the joystick configuration and not the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Erik Hofman
Andy Ross wrote: Basically, it seems to me like these guys are fine, with a few nit-picky exceptions like the joystick configuration. I don't think Yes, but why the joystick configuration and not the sound configuration (which was created by me for the c172) for instance. we need to raise

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Andy Ross
Erik Hofman wrote: > You can always argue what would be derived work: just the modified files > or the complete package. Personally I would say the first. Modifying a file is, pretty obviously, creating a "derived work" under any reasonable interpretation. :) > There is no argument possible about

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Craig Martin
Hello all,   Where do I find this aircraft. Is it released yet?   CraigArnt Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:48:01 -0500, Dave wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:> > Since the MB-339 PAN is an on-going project, we plan to release> > an improved version of the aircraft (wi

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Erik Hofman
Jim Wilson wrote: From: Erik Hofman Which they do, they clearly added modified versions of FlightGear configuration files to the systems and sound directory. If they want us to respect their copyright I expect them to respect ours and make clean which versions are derived from FlightGear an

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:48:01 -0500, Dave wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Since the MB-339 PAN is an on-going project, we plan to release > > an improved version of the aircraft (with smokes?). > > We have smoke/contrails now, but they need a lot of work: > > http://home.comcast.n

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Jim Wilson
> From: Erik Hofman > > Erik Hofman wrote: > > > As long as they haven't used *any* FlightGear supplied code, sound > > files, textures, configuration files or anything else included in the > > base package, they can do whatever they want. > > > > If, however, they have used one or more parts

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Jim Wilson
> From: Erik Hofman > > Gerard Robin wrote: > > > We could wonder about the License compatibility with GNU. > > > > FlighGear Team should probably discuss that with HCI Lab of the > > University of Udine, before official FG distribution. > > That licence goes against our "up to now policy". > >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Erik Hofman
Erik Hofman wrote: and make clean which versions are derived from FlightGear and hence are Eh, ... clear, "make clear which files are derived" ... Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/ma

[Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Jim Wilson
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I'm glad that you appreciate our work. > > Don't miss the video about the making of the MB-339 PAN. > We have slightly modified FlightGear source code to enable > an head tracking sensor for controlling the cockpit view. > The video shows the Capt. Tammaro during th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Erik Hofman
Erik Hofman wrote: As long as they haven't used *any* FlightGear supplied code, sound files, textures, configuration files or anything else included in the base package, they can do whatever they want. If, however, they have used one or more parts included in the base package, then their wor

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Erik Hofman
Gerard Robin wrote: We could wonder about the License compatibility with GNU. FlighGear Team should probably discuss that with HCI Lab of the University of Udine, before official FG distribution. That licence goes against our "up to now policy". The HCI Lab licence look like many External devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Dave Martin
> Is it better to ask to the Author to solve it? > I did it on my side > > We could wonder about the License compatibility with GNU. > > FlighGear Team should probably discuss that with HCI Lab of the > University of Udine, before official FG distribution. > That licence goes against our "up

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Gerard Robin
Le jeudi 28 juillet 2005 à 14:39 +0100, Dave Martin a écrit : > > Congratulation to the Author. > > > > The flight is wonderful, very accurate. > > > > Only little difficulties under Linux with the "Upper-case, Lower-case" > > mixing (direct.xml => Direct.xml, *.ase => *.ASE, instruments name, and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Jon Stockill
Dave Culp wrote: 3) Making a smoke model that merges well with the others. I've heard (on this list) that this may be a plib limitation. It may require the use of a different visual model, like billboards or particle fields. I'm sure someone has already done some work on particle smoke. IS

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Dave Culp
> Since the MB-339 PAN is an on-going project, we plan to release > an improved version of the aircraft (with smokes?). We have smoke/contrails now, but they need a lot of work: http://home.comcast.net/~davidculp2/contrails.jpg They look OK from some angles, and look bad from others. I tri

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Dave Martin
> Congratulation to the Author. > > The flight is wonderful, very accurate. > > Only little difficulties under Linux with the "Upper-case, Lower-case" > mixing (direct.xml => Direct.xml, *.ase => *.ASE, instruments name, and > flap => Flap). > > Arrh MS Windows. > I would fix the faults and m

[Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread senerchi
I'm glad that you appreciate our work. Don't miss the video about the making of the MB-339 PAN. We have slightly modified FlightGear source code to enable an head tracking sensor for controlling the cockpit view. The video shows the Capt. Tammaro during the beta-testing of our "Low-Cost Immersi

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread Gerard Robin
Le jeudi 28 juillet 2005 à 08:37 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : > At this site http://hcilab.uniud.it/pan you can download the results of a > joint > project between the HCI Lab of the University of Udine > and the aerobatic team of the Italian Air Force (the > Frecce Tricolori). > > The Lab

[Flightgear-devel] Free simulator of the Frecce Tricolori aerobatic jet

2005-07-28 Thread senerchi
At this site http://hcilab.uniud.it/pan you can download the results of a joint project between the HCI Lab of the University of Udine and the aerobatic team of the Italian Air Force (the Frecce Tricolori). The Lab has produced a detailed, flyable model of the MB-339 PAN jet. The leader of the F