Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot vs joystick

2009-11-07 Thread Jon S. Berndt
Curt, Yes, there's a way to implement *anything* using the JSBSim control system components (that's by design). What is the spec for autobrakes? In any case, JSBSim needs the ability to read the raw control inputs directly, if it is desired to process those within JSBSim itself (again,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot and violent roll

2009-10-14 Thread Alan Teeder
-Original Message- From: leee [mailto:l...@spatial.plus.com] Did you try scheduling your autoplilot´s height-error to pitch demand gain with 1/V (speed inverse) ? Alan Re-read the end of the paragraph after the one you quoted above ;-) LeeE Red Face (me that is) I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot and violent roll

2009-10-14 Thread leee
On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009, Alan Teeder wrote: -Original Message- From: leee [mailto:l...@spatial.plus.com] Did you try scheduling your autoplilot´s height-error to pitch demand gain with 1/V (speed inverse) ? Alan Re-read the end of the paragraph after the one you

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot and violent roll

2009-10-14 Thread Pete Morgan
leee wrote: On Saturday 10 Oct 2009, Pete Morgan wrote: Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: On Saturday 10 October 2009 22:33:01 Curtis Olson wrote: Really, this is all in how the autopilot is tuned and configured. FlightGear doesn't model realistic control surface deflection rates

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot and violent roll

2009-10-13 Thread leee
On Monday 12 Oct 2009, Alan Teeder wrote: -Original Message- For the faster and more maneuverable military jets though, I found that I really needed guaranteed higher rates to both ensure a crisp response and avoid instabilities. For example, I could tune an altitude-hold

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot and violent roll

2009-10-12 Thread leee
On Sunday 11 Oct 2009, Alan Teeder wrote: -Original Message- From: leee [mailto:l...@spatial.plus.com] ie if u stick in a new value to the FDM then it will react.. That sucks in my oioiion.. I how have to create my own craqo to make the model. that sucks to me.. pete

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot and violent roll

2009-10-12 Thread Alan Teeder
-Original Message- For the faster and more maneuverable military jets though, I found that I really needed guaranteed higher rates to both ensure a crisp response and avoid instabilities. For example, I could tune an altitude-hold cascade that would work fine at speeds up to 400kt

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot and violent roll

2009-10-11 Thread leee
On Saturday 10 Oct 2009, Pete Morgan wrote: Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: On Saturday 10 October 2009 22:33:01 Curtis Olson wrote: Really, this is all in how the autopilot is tuned and configured. FlightGear doesn't model realistic control surface deflection rates so it's possible to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot and violent roll

2009-10-11 Thread Alan Teeder
-Original Message- From: leee [mailto:l...@spatial.plus.com] ie if u stick in a new value to the FDM then it will react.. That sucks in my oioiion.. I how have to create my own craqo to make the model. that sucks to me.. pete You really need to chill a bit. Just moaning

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot and violent roll

2009-10-11 Thread Curtis Olson
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Alan Teeder wrote: First, thanks for the quick into to Flightgear´s autopilot. I think that your premise that autopilots need to run at very high frame rates is not realistic. When I first got into autopilots and simulation, back in the 60´s, all of our

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot and violent roll

2009-10-11 Thread Kishore
On Sunday 11 Oct 2009 4:30:08 pm Curtis Olson wrote: I think that your premise that autopilots need to run at very high frame rates is not realistic. When I first got into autopilots and simulation, back in the 60´s, all of our models had as the final element a 0.1 second low pass filter

[Flightgear-devel] Autopilot and violent roll

2009-10-10 Thread Pete Morgan
I'm working on my motion sim for xmas. Its powered by a vacum cleaner atmo.. One BIG BIG problem - am basicng the cockpit on Bravo and 787 The autopilot heading bug is very violent and JERKS to direction.. How can we solve that problem please because on my motion platform, I cant keep up with

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot and violent roll

2009-10-10 Thread Curtis Olson
I haven't looked at these autopilot configurations (at least not for a long time) but off the top of my head, I think this can all be fixed by tuning the autopilot. For instance, lowering the max aileron deflection from (-1 ... 1) down to maybe (-0.1 ... 0.1) might be an interesting thing to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot and violent roll

2009-10-10 Thread Pete Morgan
Actually my motion platform is at the momnet I am taking it one step at a time.. ie so far its banking left to right by around 10 degree's which kinda exagarrated the sim and is useful.. Anyone as a pilot at the moment can tip the aircfaft to lbank.. However this jerk needs solving.. SO what

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot and violent roll

2009-10-10 Thread Alan Teeder
To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot and violent roll Actually my motion platform is at the momnet I am taking it one step at a time.. ie so far its banking left to right by around 10 degree's which kinda exagarrated the sim and is useful.. Anyone

[Flightgear-devel] Autopilot

2009-10-10 Thread Pete Morgan
We need to define the autopilot properly and define its behaviour. At it's most basic I expect the autpoilot to fullfil the following functions. 1) maintain a heading - ie go that way direction - this jerks violently in the sim 2) Altitude hold - this works, and on the motion platform it works

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot and violent roll

2009-10-10 Thread Pete Morgan
and a mega fault. pete -Original Message- From: Pete Morgan [mailto:ac...@daffodil.uk.com] Sent: 10 October 2009 20:18 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot and violent roll Actually my motion platform is at the momnet I am taking it one step

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot and violent roll

2009-10-10 Thread Heiko Schulz
This is a problem across the whole system and  a mega fault. If you mean this sudden banking when after reaching a new wayoint: yes. It is known and is still on the bug-list on flightgear.org anywhere. There were some aircraft authors who had a workaround with nasal- to my knowledge the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot and violent roll

2009-10-10 Thread Curtis Olson
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Heiko Schulz aeitsch...@yahoo.de wrote: If you mean this sudden banking when after reaching a new wayoint: yes. It is known and is still on the bug-list on flightgear.org anywhere. There were some aircraft authors who had a workaround with nasal- to my

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot and violent roll

2009-10-10 Thread Roy Vegard Ovesen
On Saturday 10 October 2009 22:33:01 Curtis Olson wrote: Really, this is all in how the autopilot is tuned and configured. FlightGear doesn't model realistic control surface deflection rates so it's possible to command an instantaneous deflection of the control surfaces. Control surface

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot and violent roll

2009-10-10 Thread Pete Morgan
Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: On Saturday 10 October 2009 22:33:01 Curtis Olson wrote: Really, this is all in how the autopilot is tuned and configured. FlightGear doesn't model realistic control surface deflection rates so it's possible to command an instantaneous deflection of the control

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot and violent roll

2009-10-10 Thread Jon S. Berndt
From: Roy Vegard Ovesen [mailto:roy.v.ove...@haugnett.no] Control surface deflection rate can be limited by inserting a low-pass filter between the output of the final PID-controller and the control surface. THis is done in the autopilot config file. For JSBSim aircraft, you also have

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot changes

2009-10-02 Thread James Turner
On 2 Oct 2009, at 01:14, Jacob Burbach wrote: I must be losing my mind then, I had both Ki and Kd in pid-controller without errors previously, and changing the values certainly had an effect. The values haven't had any affect, before or after my change. I haven't checked the full history.

[Flightgear-devel] Autopilot changes

2009-10-01 Thread Jacob Burbach
In recent cvs I get errors about having Ki or Kd in my pid controllers config. This is unfortunate, as tuning of those values stabilized my autopilot considerably. I wonder if someone can explain what changes are going on in that area of code. Are Ki and Kd forever gone, and what path should I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot changes

2009-10-01 Thread James Turner
On 1 Oct 2009, at 17:54, Jacob Burbach wrote: In recent cvs I get errors about having Ki or Kd in my pid controllers config. This is unfortunate, as tuning of those values stabilized my autopilot considerably. I wonder if someone can explain what changes are going on in that area of code.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot changes

2009-10-01 Thread Jacob Burbach
Will get error such as malformed autopilot definition - unrecognized config node:Ki in section Heading Bug Hold Failed to load autopilot configuration: /path/to/autopilot.xml:XMLAuto: unrecognized config node:Ki Removing Ki, it will then complain about Kd. Can remove Ki and Kd and it will

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot changes

2009-10-01 Thread Michael Smith
Jacob Burbach wrote: In recent cvs I get errors about having Ki or Kd in my pid controllers config. This is unfortunate, as tuning of those values stabilized my autopilot considerably. I wonder if someone can explain what changes are going on in that area of code. Are Ki and Kd forever

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot changes

2009-10-01 Thread James Turner
On 1 Oct 2009, at 22:41, Michael Smith wrote: This is the error I get: Failed to load autopilot configuration: /home/michael/root/FGData/Aircraft/f-14b/f-14b-AFCS.xml:XMLAuto: unrecognized config node:Ki There seems to be some confusion here. My changes do *not* change the functional

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot changes

2009-10-01 Thread Csaba Halász
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jacob Burbach jmburb...@gmail.com wrote: In recent cvs I get errors about having Ki or Kd  in my pid controllers config. This is unfortunate, as tuning of those values stabilized my autopilot considerably.  I wonder if someone can explain what changes are going

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot changes

2009-10-01 Thread Jacob Burbach
I must be losing my mind then, I had both Ki and Kd in pid-controller without errors previously, and changing the values certainly had an effect. On another note, theres a bug in FGAutoBrake::postInit. It's using _weightOnWheelsNode without checking if it is actually a valid pointer. With atc

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot menu

2008-05-25 Thread alexis bory
SydSandy wrote: Hi guys , Had an idea with the autopilot menu , but before I dive in , thought I'd better ask if this would even be desirable... I'd like to add , in an aircraft set file some options like this: autopilot config heading label n=0 type=stringHeading Hold label action n=0

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot menu

2008-05-25 Thread Syd
alexis bory wrote: SydSandy wrote: Hi guys , Had an idea with the autopilot menu , but before I dive in , thought I'd better ask if this would even be desirable... I'd like to add , in an aircraft set file some options like this: autopilot config heading label n=0 type=stringHeading

[Flightgear-devel] autopilot menu

2008-05-21 Thread SydSandy
Hi guys , Had an idea with the autopilot menu , but before I dive in , thought I'd better ask if this would even be desirable... I'd like to add , in an aircraft set file some options like this: autopilot config heading label n=0

[Flightgear-devel] autopilot patch...

2008-04-02 Thread Syd
Hi guys, I posted a patch to enable bank limit controls with the autopilot , could someone with source write access please apply it , or if there is a valid reason not to , let me know so I can find another method ? I do realize everyone is busy with thier own projects , so it would be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot patch...

2008-04-02 Thread Heiko Schulz
--- Syd [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Hi guys, I posted a patch to enable bank limit controls with the autopilot , could someone with source write access please apply it , or if there is a valid reason not to , let me know so I can find another method ? I do realize everyone is busy

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot patch...

2008-04-02 Thread Tobias Ramforth
Heiko Schulz wrote: sounds good- that's what I need- but where is the patch? I guess he refers to his post from March 30. Regards, Tobias begin:vcard fn:Tobias Ramforth n:Ramforth;Tobias email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard signature.asc

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot patch...

2008-04-02 Thread Heiko Schulz
--- Tobias Ramforth [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Heiko Schulz wrote: sounds good- that's what I need- but where is the patch? I guess he refers to his post from March 30. Regards, Oh- thanks! I just noticed, that I deleted it... Hopefully Sys can upload it again still in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot patch...

2008-04-02 Thread Heiko Schulz
--- Tobias Ramforth [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Heiko Schulz wrote: --- Tobias Ramforth [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Heiko Schulz wrote: sounds good- that's what I need- but where is the patch? I guess he refers to his post from March 30. Regards, Oh- thanks! I just

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot patch...

2008-04-02 Thread Heiko Schulz
--- LeeE [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Wednesday 02 April 2008 21:44, Heiko Schulz wrote: --- Tobias Ramforth [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Heiko Schulz wrote: --- Tobias Ramforth [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Heiko Schulz wrote: sounds good- that's what I need- but where is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot patch...

2008-04-02 Thread LeeE
On Wednesday 02 April 2008 21:44, Heiko Schulz wrote: --- Tobias Ramforth [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Heiko Schulz wrote: --- Tobias Ramforth [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Heiko Schulz wrote: sounds good- that's what I need- but where is the patch? I guess he refers to his

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot patch...

2008-04-02 Thread LeeE
On Wednesday 02 April 2008 22:23, Heiko Schulz wrote: --- LeeE [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Wednesday 02 April 2008 21:44, Heiko Schulz wrote: --- Tobias Ramforth [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Heiko Schulz wrote: --- Tobias Ramforth [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot patch...

2008-04-02 Thread Syd
Heiko Schulz wrote: --- LeeE [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Wednesday 02 April 2008 21:44, Heiko Schulz wrote: --- Tobias Ramforth [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Heiko Schulz wrote: --- Tobias Ramforth [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Heiko

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot u_min and u_max...

2008-03-16 Thread SydSandy
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:51:08 -0700 SydSandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all , I've been trying to change the xmlautopilot to use prop and value for the u_min and u_max properties , and currently have quite a mess on my hands right now :) The idea is to have a min and max property to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot u_min and u_max...

2008-03-16 Thread LeeE
On Sunday 16 March 2008 03:51, SydSandy wrote: Hi all , I've been trying to change the xmlautopilot to use prop and value for the u_min and u_max properties , and currently have quite a mess on my hands right now :) The idea is to have a min and max property to control bank-limit /

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot u_min and u_max...

2008-03-16 Thread SydSandy
On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:59:18 + LeeE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 16 March 2008 21:52, LeeE wrote: On Sunday 16 March 2008 03:51, SydSandy wrote: Hi all , I've been trying to change the xmlautopilot to use prop and value for the u_min and u_max properties , and currently

[Flightgear-devel] autopilot u_min and u_max...

2008-03-15 Thread SydSandy
Hi all , I've been trying to change the xmlautopilot to use prop and value for the u_min and u_max properties , and currently have quite a mess on my hands right now :) The idea is to have a min and max property to control bank-limit / pitch with a panel knob ... setting the u_min and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot controller filter weirdness

2008-01-13 Thread LeeE
On Sunday 13 January 2008 05:14, Ron Jensen wrote: On Sat, 2008-01-12 at 21:22 +, LeeE wrote: Oops - forgot to mention also that with '--log-level=info' the 'Processing registration HA-LHA with callsign MAH096/5' type messages still seem to be continuously output. Is this right?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot controller filter weirdness

2008-01-13 Thread LeeE
On Sunday 13 January 2008 06:46, K. Hoercher wrote: On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 09:22:15PM +, LeeE wrote: On Saturday 12 January 2008 21:12, LeeE wrote: On Saturday 12 January 2008 15:28, Curtis Olson wrote: On Jan 11, 2008 7:09 PM, LeeE wrote: From just a quick check, removing the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot controller filter weirdness

2008-01-12 Thread Curtis Olson
On Jan 11, 2008 7:09 PM, LeeE wrote: Spoke too soon - I thought I'd update SG FG from cvs before trying this and now FG won't get past the 'loading scenery objects' phase. My understanding is that OSG 2.2.0 and earlier has some bugs that cause problems with the new OSG random objects code.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot controller filter weirdness

2008-01-12 Thread LeeE
On Saturday 12 January 2008 15:28, Curtis Olson wrote: On Jan 11, 2008 7:09 PM, LeeE wrote: Spoke too soon - I thought I'd update SG FG from cvs before trying this and now FG won't get past the 'loading scenery objects' phase. My understanding is that OSG 2.2.0 and earlier has some bugs

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot controller filter weirdness

2008-01-12 Thread LeeE
On Saturday 12 January 2008 21:12, LeeE wrote: On Saturday 12 January 2008 15:28, Curtis Olson wrote: On Jan 11, 2008 7:09 PM, LeeE wrote: Spoke too soon - I thought I'd update SG FG from cvs before trying this and now FG won't get past the 'loading scenery objects' phase. My

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot controller filter weirdness

2008-01-12 Thread Ron Jensen
On Sat, 2008-01-12 at 21:22 +, LeeE wrote: Oops - forgot to mention also that with '--log-level=info' the 'Processing registration HA-LHA with callsign MAH096/5' type messages still seem to be continuously output. Is this right? It makes the output from --log-level=info pretty

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot controller filter weirdness

2008-01-12 Thread K. Hoercher
On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 09:22:15PM +, LeeE wrote: On Saturday 12 January 2008 21:12, LeeE wrote: On Saturday 12 January 2008 15:28, Curtis Olson wrote: On Jan 11, 2008 7:09 PM, LeeE wrote: From just a quick check, removing the explicit call to build() after init() in reinit()

[Flightgear-devel] autopilot controller filter weirdness

2008-01-11 Thread LeeE
Hi all, I've been experiencing some more weird behaviour from pid controllers and filters. I had a pid controller that was working ok (but had some room for further fine-tuning) but after amending the config and re-loading the autopilot it seemed to be working randomly. I reverted back to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot controller filter weirdness

2008-01-11 Thread Curtis Olson
On Jan 11, 2008 3:14 PM, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: On Friday 11 January 2008, LeeE wrote: I've had a look at the relevant code but as I'm not up on c++ I'm not sure about what I'm looking at but at lines 798-802 there's: void FGXMLAutopilot::reinit() { components.clear();

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot controller filter weirdness

2008-01-11 Thread Roy Vegard Ovesen
On Friday 11 January 2008, Curtis Olson wrote: On Jan 11, 2008 3:14 PM, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: Try commenting out the call to build() from the code that you quoted above. build() is called inside init(), so there should be no need to call it again after init(). I suspect the build()

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot controller filter weirdness

2008-01-11 Thread LeeE
On Friday 11 January 2008 21:50, Curtis Olson wrote: On Jan 11, 2008 3:14 PM, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: On Friday 11 January 2008, LeeE wrote: I've had a look at the relevant code but as I'm not up on c++ I'm not sure about what I'm looking at but at lines 798-802 there's: void

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot controller filter weirdness

2008-01-11 Thread LeeE
On Friday 11 January 2008 23:49, LeeE wrote: On Friday 11 January 2008 21:50, Curtis Olson wrote: On Jan 11, 2008 3:14 PM, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: On Friday 11 January 2008, LeeE wrote: I've had a look at the relevant code but as I'm not up on c++ I'm not sure about what I'm looking

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot filters upset after reloading autopilot

2007-12-20 Thread LeeE
On Wednesday 19 December 2007 16:38, Tiago Gusmão wrote: LeeE wrote: On Wednesday 19 December 2007 12:56, Tiago Gusmão wrote: LeeE wrote: On Tuesday 18 December 2007 22:52, Tiago Gusmão wrote: LeeE wrote: Hi all, I've noticed recently that after re-loading an autopilot the filters

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot filters upset after reloading autopilot

2007-12-20 Thread Roy Vegard Ovesen
On Tuesday 18 December 2007, LeeE wrote: Hi all, I've noticed recently that after re-loading an autopilot the filters that are being used seem to be getting a bit 'confused'. I spotted it when I was comparing the unfiltered input with the filtered output and saw that the input was stable to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot filters upset after reloading autopilot

2007-12-20 Thread LeeE
On Thursday 20 December 2007 10:53, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: On Tuesday 18 December 2007, LeeE wrote: Hi all, I've noticed recently that after re-loading an autopilot the filters that are being used seem to be getting a bit 'confused'. I spotted it when I was comparing the unfiltered

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot filters upset after reloading autopilot

2007-12-20 Thread LeeE
On Thursday 20 December 2007 11:21, LeeE wrote: On Thursday 20 December 2007 10:53, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: On Tuesday 18 December 2007, LeeE wrote: Hi all, I've noticed recently that after re-loading an autopilot the filters that are being used seem to be getting a bit

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot filters upset after reloading autopilot

2007-12-19 Thread Tiago Gusmão
LeeE wrote: On Tuesday 18 December 2007 22:52, Tiago Gusmão wrote: LeeE wrote: Hi all, I've noticed recently that after re-loading an autopilot the filters that are being used seem to be getting a bit 'confused'. I spotted it when I was comparing the unfiltered input with the filtered

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot filters upset after r eloading autopilot

2007-12-19 Thread LeeE
On Wednesday 19 December 2007 12:56, Tiago Gusmão wrote: LeeE wrote: On Tuesday 18 December 2007 22:52, Tiago Gusmão wrote: LeeE wrote: Hi all, I've noticed recently that after re-loading an autopilot the filters that are being used seem to be getting a bit 'confused'. I spotted it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot filters upset after reloading autopilot

2007-12-19 Thread Tiago Gusmão
LeeE wrote: On Wednesday 19 December 2007 12:56, Tiago Gusmão wrote: LeeE wrote: On Tuesday 18 December 2007 22:52, Tiago Gusmão wrote: LeeE wrote: Hi all, I've noticed recently that after re-loading an autopilot the filters that are being used seem to be getting a bit 'confused'. I

[Flightgear-devel] Autopilot filters upset after reloading autopilot

2007-12-18 Thread LeeE
Hi all, I've noticed recently that after re-loading an autopilot the filters that are being used seem to be getting a bit 'confused'. I spotted it when I was comparing the unfiltered input with the filtered output and saw that the input was stable to 2 decimal places but the filtered output

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot filters upset after reloading autopilot

2007-12-18 Thread Tiago Gusmão
LeeE wrote: Hi all, I've noticed recently that after re-loading an autopilot the filters that are being used seem to be getting a bit 'confused'. I spotted it when I was comparing the unfiltered input with the filtered output and saw that the input was stable to 2 decimal places but

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot filters upset after reloading autopilot

2007-12-18 Thread LeeE
On Tuesday 18 December 2007 22:52, Tiago Gusmão wrote: LeeE wrote: Hi all, I've noticed recently that after re-loading an autopilot the filters that are being used seem to be getting a bit 'confused'. I spotted it when I was comparing the unfiltered input with the filtered output and

[Flightgear-devel] Autopilot bug fix

2007-07-09 Thread Harald JOHNSEN
Hi, There was an uninitiliazied member so the autopilot was never doing his job (at least in a windoze debug build). HJ. Index: xmlauto.cxx === RCS file: /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/src/Autopilot/xmlauto.cxx,v retrieving

[Flightgear-devel] Autopilot...

2007-03-27 Thread Paul Reddy
Hi All, I'm looking for some autopilot code to stick inside a UAV I'm desiging. I will have some roll, pitch, location and altitude information available, plus a goal (i.e. fly here, do this etc). I need algs to control roll, pitch, yaw. I'd like to know if the flightgear autopilot can be

[Flightgear-devel] Autopilot menu update

2007-03-17 Thread sydsandy
Hi all, I've added a passive mode toggle to the autopilot menu (basically an Autopilot on/off switch ). If it's unacceptable , breaks anything , just not wanted , let me know , I'll remove it . Thanks, Syd - Take

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot, Was: C172p stra nge behaviour with --flight-plan

2007-02-12 Thread leee
On Sunday 11 February 2007 09:02, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: On Sunday 11 February 2007 02:14, leee wrote: I thought I'd give it another go, with debug on the pitch-hold controller and waddya know - this time the pitch hold worked and the alt hold failed. Ok - so I set debugging on all

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot, Was: C172p stra nge behaviour with --flight-plan

2007-02-11 Thread Roy Vegard Ovesen
On Sunday 11 February 2007 02:14, leee wrote: I thought I'd give it another go, with debug on the pitch-hold controller and waddya know - this time the pitch hold worked and the alt hold failed. Ok - so I set debugging on all three of the pitch related controllers and on the next test it was

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot, Was: C172p stra nge behaviour with --flight-plan

2007-02-10 Thread leee
On Friday 09 February 2007 21:36, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: On Friday 09 February 2007 21:13, leee wrote: Just tried another quick test. Opened five property browsers - autopilot/locks, autopilot/settings, autopilot/internal, autopilot/FCS/locks autopilot/FCS/controls - all seemed ok

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot, Was: C172p stra nge behaviour with --flight-plan

2007-02-10 Thread leee
On Sunday 11 February 2007 00:37, leee wrote: On Friday 09 February 2007 21:36, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: On Friday 09 February 2007 21:13, leee wrote: Just tried another quick test. Opened five property browsers - autopilot/locks, autopilot/settings, autopilot/internal,

[Flightgear-devel] autopilot, Was: C172p strange behaviour with --flight-plan

2007-02-09 Thread Roy Vegard Ovesen
On Friday 09 February 2007 21:13, leee wrote: Just tried another quick test. Opened five property browsers - autopilot/locks, autopilot/settings, autopilot/internal, autopilot/FCS/locks autopilot/FCS/controls - all seemed ok but then I pre-set most of the nodes during aircraft

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot broken by recent osg branc h fgfsupdate

2007-01-24 Thread gh.robin
On Wed 24 January 2007 07:14, Dave Perry wrote: On Tue, 2007-01-23 at 18:48 +0100, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: Just updated from CVS (HEAD (OSG)), and it seems to me that the autopilots are working. I tried the KAP140, and the generic in the pa28-161. Both worked fine in heading mode, and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot broken by recent osg branch fgfs update

2007-01-23 Thread gh.robin
On Tue 23 January 2007 03:27, Dave Perry wrote: I updated both SimGear, fgfs source, and data for the osg branch yesterday. After the compiles and installs with no errors, none of the autopilots are working. This includes the default autopilot from the gui as well as the kap140 (I am testing

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot broken by recent osg branch fgfsupdate

2007-01-23 Thread Roy Vegard Ovesen
On Tuesday 23 January 2007 16:00, gh.robin wrote: On Tue 23 January 2007 03:27, Dave Perry wrote: I updated both SimGear, fgfs source, and data for the osg branch yesterday. After the compiles and installs with no errors, none of the autopilots are working. This includes the default

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot broken by recent osg branch fgfsupdate

2007-01-23 Thread gh.robin
On Tue 23 January 2007 18:48, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: On Tuesday 23 January 2007 16:00, gh.robin wrote: On Tue 23 January 2007 03:27, Dave Perry wrote: I updated both SimGear, fgfs source, and data for the osg branch yesterday. After the compiles and installs with no errors, none of the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] autopilot broken by recent osg branch fgfsupdate

2007-01-23 Thread Dave Perry
On Tue, 2007-01-23 at 18:48 +0100, Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: Just updated from CVS (HEAD (OSG)), and it seems to me that the autopilots are working. I tried the KAP140, and the generic in the pa28-161. Both worked fine in heading mode, and the followed the bug on the HSI. I just did a cvs

[Flightgear-devel] autopilot broken by recent osg branch fgfs update

2007-01-22 Thread Dave Perry
I updated both SimGear, fgfs source, and data for the osg branch yesterday. After the compiles and installs with no errors, none of the autopilots are working. This includes the default autopilot from the gui as well as the kap140 (I am testing the new version from Roy Vegard Oveson). All were

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot is no longer working within FG osg branch

2007-01-07 Thread leee
On Sunday 07 January 2007 13:12, gh.robin wrote: Hello, Between the 13 December 2006 and last night 07 January , the autopilot has vanished With my previous built of Flightgear osg branch 13-12-2006 dated i was still able to run autopilot the heading and altitude where nicely taken , and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot passive mode

2006-07-03 Thread syd sandy
Hi all , I have another silly question how does one enable autopilot passive mode ? Im rewriting my flightdirector routines because I thought that having the autopilot in passive mode would give me readouts of target roll and pitch properties without the autopilot controlling the plane

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot passive mode

2006-07-03 Thread Curtis L. Olson
syd sandy wrote: Hi all , I have another silly question how does one enable autopilot passive mode ? Im rewriting my flightdirector routines because I thought that having the autopilot in passive mode would give me readouts of target roll and pitch properties without the autopilot

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot Bug/Feature

2006-06-16 Thread Vivian Meazza
Curt wrote Vivian Meazza wrote: There is one - nearly - as I said orientation/heading-magnetic-deg. But it's not derived from an instrument, and therefore has no supply, neither can it fail, not does it have any error. Further, use of such a property will not stop, AFAIKS, the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot Bug/Feature

2006-06-16 Thread Roy Vegard Ovesen
På 16.06.2006 10:19 CEST skrev Vivian Meazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip... I also have a patch prepared which prevents xmlauto.cxx from generating spurious instruments, and which uses whichever Heading Indicator that is present. That's probably a 'fancy waistcoat', and I'm still pondering if it's

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot Bug/Feature

2006-06-16 Thread Vivian Meazza
Roy Vegard Ovesen wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flightgear- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sent: 16 June 2006 10:26 To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot Bug/Feature På 16.06.2006 10:19 CEST skrev Vivian

[Flightgear-devel] Autopilot Bug/Feature

2006-06-14 Thread Vivian Meazza
Hi, In the course of developing the KC135, I noticed that parts of the autopilot function do not work in that model, copied from the B737 - the bits described as vor/loc and app. Investigation showed that the cause was simple - in JSBSim a jet ac does not have vacuum system. No vacuum - no

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot Bug/Feature

2006-06-14 Thread Curtis L. Olson
I think the simple solution here is to modify the autopilot config so the input is not from a vacuum driven heading indicator since you don't have one, but from a different property that you do have. The autopilot is designed to be very configurable in this respect and even though it can be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot Bug/Feature

2006-06-14 Thread Berndt, Jon S
In the course of developing the KC135, I noticed that parts of the autopilot function do not work in that model, copied from the B737 - the bits described as vor/loc and app. Investigation showed that the cause was simple - in JSBSim a jet ac does not have vacuum system. No vacuum - no

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot Bug/Feature

2006-06-14 Thread Josh Babcock
Vivian Meazza wrote: Hi, In the course of developing the KC135, I noticed that parts of the autopilot function do not work in that model, copied from the B737 - the bits described as vor/loc and app. Investigation showed that the cause was simple - in JSBSim a jet ac does not have vacuum

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot Bug/Feature

2006-06-14 Thread AJ MacLeod
On Wednesday 14 June 2006 21:51, Josh Babcock wrote: Can't you just supply whatever property regarding the vacuum system that the instrument is looking for? He could (which ISTR I had to do for the Lightning) but I think it would be nice to have the correct system available too. Some aircraft

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot Bug/Feature

2006-06-14 Thread Vivian Meazza
Curt wrote I think the simple solution here is to modify the autopilot config so the input is not from a vacuum driven heading indicator since you don't have one, but from a different property that you do have. There is one - nearly - as I said orientation/heading-magnetic-deg. But it's not

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot Bug/Feature

2006-06-14 Thread Vivian Meazza
Jon In the course of developing the KC135, I noticed that parts of the autopilot function do not work in that model, copied from the B737 - the bits described as vor/loc and app. Investigation showed that the cause was simple - in JSBSim a jet ac does not have vacuum system. No vacuum

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot Bug/Feature

2006-06-14 Thread Vivian Meazza
AJ wrote On Wednesday 14 June 2006 21:51, Josh Babcock wrote: Can't you just supply whatever property regarding the vacuum system that the instrument is looking for? He could (which ISTR I had to do for the Lightning) but I think it would be nice to have the correct system available

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot Bug/Feature

2006-06-14 Thread Vivian Meazza
Josh Vivian Meazza wrote: Hi, In the course of developing the KC135, I noticed that parts of the autopilot function do not work in that model, copied from the B737 - the bits described as vor/loc and app. Investigation showed that the cause was simple - in JSBSim a jet ac does

[Flightgear-devel] Autopilot Replacement

2006-06-02 Thread Jimmy Coley
Thank you for your responses. Stefan Seifert wrote: FlightGear supports a few I/O protocols. Why not use them for communication of FG and your standalone auto pilot? Nine Nine: I didn't think of using the I/O available from FG, I'll have to look into using them. Jon Berndt wrote: How did

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot configuration

2006-02-13 Thread Curtis L. Olson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've looked at the documentation of flightgear and I've found of particular interest for my work the section relative to the configuration of the autopilot.I didn't enter on the details yet but just to have an idea I wanted to ask if,in your opinion,would it be

[Flightgear-devel] Autopilot configuration

2006-02-10 Thread scalcoem
Hi I've looked at the documentation of flightgear and I've found of particular interest for my work the section relative to the configuration of the autopilot.I didn't enter on the details yet but just to have an idea I wanted to ask if,in your opinion,would it be possible to create a my own

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