Another nice way to contribute to DOS, not exactly FreeDOS is to write
in the DOS wiki, pmwiki http://www.drdos.org.
Or you write to the FreeDOS wiki,
http://apps.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/freedos/index.php?title=Main_Page.
If you feel you needed to search or try & error a lot before you got
some
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:09:32 -0400 (EDT), you wrote:
Hi,
>I said *usable*, as in compilable. (Naturally, though, this knowledge
>would taint someone from doing equivalent code for FreeDOS, which is one
>reason I don't get into the kernel even if I understood how the heck that
>stuff worked in
Jim wrote:
> Also: IMHO, Arachne should not be a file manager or email client. I
> think the most progress could be made by simplifying the code, and
> putting the focus on the web browser.
>
The browser is in core.exe, filemanager in wwwman.exe and insight.exe
(formerly mailman.exe) handles em
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Michael Reichenbach
wrote:
> By the way I also think Arachne is one of the DOS flagship projects.
>
> Unfortunately there are some very basic things which makes this software
> less useful and afaik there is currently no one continuing the
> development of this pro
On Monday 30 March 2009 03:28, Michael Reichenbach wrote:
> Eric Auer schrieb:
>
> This makes me think... *Imagine* *someone* would claim there is MS-DOS'
> s source code copy & pasted into FreeDOS's source code.
>
> What could you do? You would need to stop using FreeDOS as it *probable*
> contai
> What could you do? You would need to stop using FreeDOS as it *probable*
> contains illegal stuff. On the other hand you have *no way* to confirm
> whenever it's the truth or not.
Was MS-DOS even written in C? if not, at least the parts written in C
(most) could never have been copied and paste
>> - 32 bit DPMI would be better.
>
> Not necessarily. Some applications even run dual-mode (RM or 16-bit PM) so
> even 16-bit has it's advantages. The 64 KiB code segment limit is the only
> real disadvantage. (Or are code segments with 16-bit default operation
> size not actually limited to 64 Ki
> Blair has been working on alternative C libraries, for
> example for almost-drop-in-LFN (long file name) support
> or for making compiled apps smaller by compiling with a
> smaller C library. I have the impression that this could
> use some careful proofreading to improve stability...
Yeah I spe
Hi Christian,
> Well, decent MS-DOS kernels plus command interpreters
> also have LBA, FAT32 and DOSLFN support.
That is Windows 98 DOS... Better kernel but fewer apps...
And if you buy it, you get a Windows that you do not
need if you only wanted DOS as unwanted extra... ;-).
> Is it? I'm stil
> You know that open source has advantages,
That's the reason I use it.
> for example FreeDOS
> runs on more modern hardware
Well, decent MS-DOS kernels plus command interpreters also have LBA, FAT32
and DOSLFN support. (But you're right regarding utilities, the FreeDOS
ones are often better
Hi, at the risk of making this thread long...
> If your priority is not to break the law, buy MS-DOS (and/or Win4.x)
> install disks plus license and use (or DEBUG) these legally ;-)
You know that open source has advantages, for example FreeDOS
runs on more modern hardware and is actively supp
> - I am not sure whenever Udo Kuhnt's version uses 16 or 32 bit DPMI but
> it I think it's 16.
The difference isn't that big, anyway. Default code operation size
changes, but this doesn't require changes to the actual code (even in .ASM
source files) if the assembler or compiler supports both
Hi guys,
EA:
> > Thanks for the warning :-)). Luckily most of the FreeDOS
> > kernel is written in C... One of the things that make it
> > complicated is that it sometimes has to follow long chains
> > of things calling each other because it is documented that
> > MS DOS does it the same way, so f
Michael wrote:
Arachne has GPL license so you can force WebSpyder/Lineo to
make their Arachne modifications public.
No, them have purchased a proprietary license from the copyright holders
(original developers). GPL doesn't surrender rights. It's dual licensing
like with Qt.
Hi all,
wouldn't be better porting dillo for freedos?
imho, the main bottleneck is the gui part that should be re written
http://www.dillo.org/
See Ya,
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Hi Michael,
> Again, theft = original is lost and in hands of thief only.
Yeah I agree that stealing copies is something different
from stealing the original but if stealing copies was
legal then nobody could sell anything that can be copied
which would be a very strange situation if you ask me.
You're starting to sound more and more like a troll with each post you
write:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009, Michael Reichenbach wrote:
> Also again, why do you believe FreeDOS is free of MS-DOS's intellectual
> property? That's impossible as you implemented a "pretty" compatible
> operating system.
Reme
Eric Auer schrieb:
>> It's still questionable if it's illegal.
>> How can we finally prove that it's illegal or not?
>
> By reading any law book you can probably find out
> that company secrets are not open for free use ;-)
> Even if it was somebody else who leaked them first.
On law book there a
Hi Usul / Adam,
> I am very interested in helping. If you have any tasks that
> you need done, even if it is unglamorous. I'll take it. :)
We have a page about this:
>> www.freedos.org/jhall/2009/01/29/you-can-help.html
- package updated packages for FDUPDATE and FDPKG and installer
Work in
Hi,
>>> - As I think xswap will not work in native Linux
>> You will not need any of that if you simply compile Arachne
>> with a 32bit compiler in the first place.
>
> Why it can't be also simple compiled on DOS with 32 bit compiler?
That is what I meant - port Arachne to GNU C / DJGPP and
the
Hi Michael,
> "FreeDOS developer stolen ms-dos source code and now in prison"?
That not, but for example "China DOS" seems to be a
rip of Win98 DOS so they often have to change their
homepage and I never saw them in a commercial product.
While FreeDOS is used for things like mainboard CDs,
indu
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009, Michael Reichenbach wrote:
> It's still questionable if it's illegal.
...only in one way: one could take the code, describe it in gory detail,
then have someone else write new code from the description without having
seen the code, that would be (I think) legal, and it's
Eric Auer schrieb:
>> - As I think xswap will not work in native Linux
>
> You will not need any of that if you simply compile Arachne
> with a 32bit compiler in the first place.
Why it can't be also simple compiled on DOS with 32 bit compiler?
>> 6) graphics backend
>> - Dr WebSpyder and Lineo
Eric Auer schrieb:
> Hi Michael,
>
>>> Why on earth would you want to compile 17 year old stolen
>>> source code if you can just steal the pre-compiled Windows
>>> of your flatmate today? ;-) Or for example download MS DOS
>>> from a warez page etc etc. Not my taste, of course... ;-).
>
>> Well,
Hi Usul,
> My main an interest is in designing writing a gui/desktop,
You could make OpenGEM or apps written for it better then.
There are other GUIs which look more fancy but they often
do not have enough software written for them, which makes
improving GEM the better choice at the moment...
>
On Sun, 29 Mar 2009, Eric Auer wrote:
>
> Hi Michael,
>
>> 1) no SSL support
>> - latest DOSLynx implemented it
>
> I believe there are also eLinks based projects with SSL for DOS?
Dunno if the elinks port does SSL, I haven't tried that aspect.
>> 4) compiler
>> - still dependent to Borland
Hi Michael,
> By the way I also think Arachne is one of the DOS flagship projects.
I agree.
> 1) no SSL support
> - latest DOSLynx implemented it
I believe there are also eLinks based projects with SSL for DOS?
> 2) Linux port
> - From Arachne v1.93 there is also a Linux port.
> - Unfortunate
Hi Michael,
>> Why on earth would you want to compile 17 year old stolen
>> source code if you can just steal the pre-compiled Windows
>> of your flatmate today? ;-) Or for example download MS DOS
>> from a warez page etc etc. Not my taste, of course... ;-).
> Well, compiling makes indeed no poi
By the way I also think Arachne is one of the DOS flagship projects.
Unfortunately there are some very basic things which makes this software
less useful and afaik there is currently no one continuing the
development of this project.
1) no SSL support
- latest DOSLynx implemented it
2) Linux por
Eric Auer schrieb:
> Hi Michael,
>
> I thought nothing usable besides the io.sys,
> sort.exe and sys.com sources from DOS 3.3 had turned up...
>
No, even MS-DOS 6.0.
Also source for xcopy and so on.
>>> I said *usable*, as in compilable.
>> I haven't tested to compile as I am to
Hi Michael,
I thought nothing usable besides the io.sys,
sort.exe and sys.com sources from DOS 3.3 had turned up...
>>> No, even MS-DOS 6.0.
>>> Also source for xcopy and so on.
>> I said *usable*, as in compilable.
>
> I haven't tested to compile as I am to lazy to setup a build
> en
Hi Usul,
>> I agree, the FreeDOS installer is currently a bit annoying, you must
>> click and wait a dozens of time. Would be better first to choose all
>> packets or to click just go ahead and install everything...
I would prefer "everything which can install in a fast and safe way"
as one of t
On Sunday 29 March 2009 04:23, usul wrote:
> I am not ready to write driver code, yet.
>
> My main an interest is in designing writing a gui/desktop,
> and in writing libraries that can be shared and used by command line
> application as well as gui.
Well, before re-inventing the wheel, take a loo
> The question whether Masm or Nasm has a larger "community" or is more
> "widely
> used" is indeed somewhat interesting, but it's interesting because it's a
> common propaganda item which nicely shows that people tend to believe
> what
> they want to believe.
It's also interesting because JWA
> So, do you want to accuse me of the "not-so-positive intention" to say
> that JWASM has indeed disadvantages?
No, this was "generally" spoken. I don't know your intentions.
> Of course _I_ think that NASM is better.
Yes, I know. And I think that the "more free"-advantage of Nasm, which you
> fdpkg requires c:\FDOS?
> how do you maintain a working existing environment
> along side the beta one even following the existing
> structure and using c:\FDOSBETA or something acceptable.
No, it doesn't require this directory name. The directory name is read
from the DOSDIR environment vari
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, usul wrote:
> perhaps fdpkg could be modified to use a database to store where the
> packages are came from etc.
>
> Is there a open source database that can be used in an dos
> application, if none exist a flat file could be used as well.
I randomly wonder if it's possible
It's okay if you know vaguely about the internals of something, but when
you write an imitation of it, chuck all that code aside and try to write
yours along different lines. For example, if the original was written to
conserve memory usage, go for speed instead, or go for generality. The
code
fdpkg requires c:\FDOS?
how do you maintain a working existing environment
along side the beta one even following the existing
structure and using c:\FDOSBETA or something acceptable.
perhaps fdpkg could be modified to use a database to store where the
packages are came from etc.
Is there a open
I am not ready to write driver code, yet.
My main an interest is in designing writing a gui/desktop,
and in writing libraries that can be shared and used by command line
application as well as gui.
But I also have an interest device and similar programming.
I think FreeDos relies alot on closed s
Japheth,
Politics of any sort are this way. It is always extremes that shout
the loudest. In my opinion is aways in the middle the answer always is
in the middle, the middle rarely if ever has an advocate. :P
I like open source and free software. More the spirit of the law
though then the law its
Christian Masloch schrieb:
>>> If you want to learn about (16-bit) DOS kernel stuff, first get the RBIL
>>> (Ralf Brown's Interrupt List) and the source of DOS-C (mostly C) and
>>> Udo's
>>> Enhanced DR-DOS kernel (Assembly). (You might as well get the old RxDOS
>>> 7.1.5 Assembly sources but oh
>> If you want to learn about (16-bit) DOS kernel stuff, first get the RBIL
>> (Ralf Brown's Interrupt List) and the source of DOS-C (mostly C) and
>> Udo's
>> Enhanced DR-DOS kernel (Assembly). (You might as well get the old RxDOS
>> 7.1.5 Assembly sources but oh well.)
>
> ...and the sources fo
>> As Eric put it, NASM is considered more free than JWASM.
>
> as you probably can see there are also rather "questionable" sentences
> to find
> in this mailing-list. "Freedom", "Democracy", "Justice", "Fairness", ...
> are
> commonly regarded as positive terms and because of this they are al
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Christian Masloch wrote:
>> A (or more then one) virtualizer is a good source for initial developing
>> and testing, often an emulator is even more picky about how you
>> implement. DOSBox is good for DOS games but many utilities refuse to
>> work.
>
> You can boot a real DO
> A (or more then one) virtualizer is a good source for initial developing
> and testing, often an emulator is even more picky about how you
> implement. DOSBox is good for DOS games but many utilities refuse to
> work.
You can boot a real DOS (f.e. FreeDOS) disk image inside DOSBox which
make
usul schrieb:
>> You could put toghether FreeDOS 1.1...
>> most programs have new versions that are ok, but what is mostly needed
>> is put all of it toghether, test new versions, fix a few things and
>
> This sounds like a good task for me to start. And I am most certainly willing.
> Would this b
Hi !
If you are more interrested in low level stuff you can work with Eric Auer on
the FreeDOS kernel. There is few bugs to fix and few feature to add - mainly
implement the COUNTRY.SYS (functions about national support). You don't have to
write it from scratch as it is already present in unstab
Hi Adam,
> As Eric put it, NASM is considered more free than JWASM.
as you probably can see there are also rather "questionable" sentences to find
in this mailing-list. "Freedom", "Democracy", "Justice", "Fairness", ... are
commonly regarded as positive terms and because of this they are also f
> I used to organize all the "system" files in a system directory. and
> the apps in an app directory under C: instead of under the system
> directory.
> C:\FDOS "all the command programs here
> C:\Apps "all the applications under here grouped in directories like
> "games", develop, utility etc.
I
> You could put toghether FreeDOS 1.1...
> most programs have new versions that are ok, but what is mostly needed
> is put all of it toghether, test new versions, fix a few things and
This sounds like a good task for me to start. And I am most certainly willing.
Would this be pulling together the
> I agree, the FreeDOS installer is currently a bit annoying, you must
> click and wait a dozens of time. Would be better first to choose all
> packets or to click just go ahead and install everything without bugging
> around.
>
> -mr
Part that I hated most was that I had to keep clicking.
Yes I
Thanks everyone.
Very helpful!
I have ordered Some books :)
"FreeDOS Kernel; An MS-DOS Emulator for Platform Independence and
Embedded Systems Development"
"Undocumented DOS: A Programmer's Guide to Reserved MS-DOS Functions
and Data Structures/Book and Disk (Andrew Schulman Programming)"
"Diss
lyricalnanoha schrieb:
>
> On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Michael Reichenbach wrote:
>
>> lyricalnanoha schrieb:
>>> On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Michael Reichenbach wrote:
>>>
Christian Masloch schrieb:
> If you want to learn about (16-bit) DOS kernel stuff, first get the RBIL
> (Ralf Brown's Interru
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Michael Reichenbach wrote:
> lyricalnanoha schrieb:
>>
>> On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Michael Reichenbach wrote:
>>
>>> Christian Masloch schrieb:
If you want to learn about (16-bit) DOS kernel stuff, first get the RBIL
(Ralf Brown's Interrupt List) and the source of DOS-
lyricalnanoha schrieb:
>
> On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Michael Reichenbach wrote:
>
>> Christian Masloch schrieb:
>>> If you want to learn about (16-bit) DOS kernel stuff, first get the RBIL
>>> (Ralf Brown's Interrupt List) and the source of DOS-C (mostly C) and Udo's
>>> Enhanced DR-DOS kernel (Assemb
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Michael Reichenbach wrote:
> Christian Masloch schrieb:
>> If you want to learn about (16-bit) DOS kernel stuff, first get the RBIL
>> (Ralf Brown's Interrupt List) and the source of DOS-C (mostly C) and Udo's
>> Enhanced DR-DOS kernel (Assembly). (You might as well get the
Christian Masloch schrieb:
> If you want to learn about (16-bit) DOS kernel stuff, first get the RBIL
> (Ralf Brown's Interrupt List) and the source of DOS-C (mostly C) and Udo's
> Enhanced DR-DOS kernel (Assembly). (You might as well get the old RxDOS
> 7.1.5 Assembly sources but oh well.)
You can look at drdos.org, see
http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.Development
for a nice overview about DOS development in general with many links.
There are some pretty cool gui toolskits for DOS.
http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php?n=
Alain M. schrieb:
> most programs have new versions that are ok, but what is mostly needed
> is put all of it toghether, test new versions, fix a few things and
> probably modify a little the installer.
I agree, the FreeDOS installer is currently a bit annoying, you must
click and wait a dozens
Hi Adam,
> My main interest is programming and a challenge. Occasionally play some
> old
> games
> that I miss. Bards Tale etc.
Check out Commander Keen ;-)
> Interested in the Kernel and Assembly programming.
If you want to learn something about the DOS kernel and Assembly language
I could
Hi theMouse,
if you are willing to help, I have one suggestion that will make you
very knowledgeable of FreeDOS:
You could put toghether FreeDOS 1.1...
most programs have new versions that are ok, but what is mostly needed
is put all of it toghether, test new versions, fix a few things and
pr
>
> Hi,
> > It would help if you tell us what is your interest in DOS and/or what
> > you are using it most for. (recovery, backup, hardware testing,
> > benchmark, web browsing, gaming, music player, server or whatever)
>
My main interest is programming and a challenge. Occasionally play some ol
Hi,
I am not a part of the dev team but a pretty active user and I have
dozens of ideas to implement in C(++) for DOS...
To awake your continued interest on what you might work in the future it
might help to let you do things you are personally interested in.
It would help if you tell us what is
Dev Team,
I am very nearly completed on the setup of freedos. all I need now is the
network card, its in the mail. :)
But I can copy floppy by floppy if I have to :)
I am very interested in helping. If you have any tasks that you need done,
even if it is unglamorous.
I'll take it. :)
Not sure ho
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