Re: Software piracy

I know this discussion has veered off this, but here it is anyway (sorry, I'm on digest) It is permisible by the eBay rules, to contact you about a similar item being auctioned in eBay. It is NOT permisible to contact you to offer you a similar item by-passing eBay, (a private sale). Spam is no

Re: Software piracy

I believe the point of leaving an operable OS on a used computer offered for sale is that the machine is demonstrably working, and that it was when shipped by the seller. Otherwise there'd be no standard of whether what was sold to any of us was in operable condition when we bought it. This way, wh

Re: Software Piracy

on 10/12/05 14:11, Peter Webster at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This is one of the dumbest threads ever to circulate. You all aren't > ever going to agree. What is the point? Yes, I agree. Folks, please, DROP THAT THREAD. I don't think it's going anywhere. But you can continue to argue off-list.

Re: Software Piracy

On Saturday, Dec 10, 2005, at 13:11 America/Chicago, Peter Webster wrote: This is one of the dumbest threads ever to circulate. You all aren't ever going to agree. What is the point? I do agree. My opinion is that it depends on the version of the OS. If it's Panther or Tiger, yes, I do agr

Re: Software Piracy

This is one of the dumbest threads ever to circulate. You all aren't ever going to agree. What is the point? -- G-Books is sponsored by and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | &

Re: Software Piracy

At 10:40 AM -0500 12/10/2005, Krow Magnum wrote: Ok, just because I am not deemed "authorized" then it is legal and ok. So it's legal as long as eBay says it is and nobody gets caught. And as long as eBay can make money on it. eBay just covers their collective butts by what they do. The law is t

Re: Software Piracy

On 12/10/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 11:22 PM -0500 12/09/2005, Krow Magnum wrote: > >On 12/9/05, macnifico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>It is permisible to sell a computer with the OS only. The rules do > >>not specify that the OS should be the original one for the

Re: Software piracy

Clark Martin I'm not saying that at all Clark (that it's only illegal if you get caught). You made a statement that there were plenty of stories about people getting busted for software piracy that used the "I didn't know it was wrong" defense. I challenged you to provi

Re: Software piracy

On Dec 9, 2005, at 5:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 4:41 PM -0500 12/09/2005, Krow Magnum wrote: On 12/9/05, john ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It does not indicate piracy in any way. For example when I upgraded tp Tiger I bought the family pack with 4 or 5 installs. And if you sell

Re: Software piracy

At 8:35 PM -0800 12/09/2005, Clark Martin wrote: At 5:07 PM -0500 12/9/05, Tom W. wrote: I know people get busted for duplicating software and then selling it, but a home user selling his computer getting hunted down by the police? I don't think so. Ah, the old it's only illegal if you get ca

Re: Software Piracy

At 11:22 PM -0500 12/09/2005, Krow Magnum wrote: On 12/9/05, macnifico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is permisible to sell a computer with the OS only. The rules do not specify that the OS should be the original one for the computer. Where did you find that ? The original OS is a license issu

Re: Software Piracy

At 9:30 PM -0600 12/09/2005, macnifico wrote: In more than a thousand eBay transactions, only ONCE did the seller sent me a letter transferring something to me. Really, he included the disks and a letter of transfer. Only one guy, in more than 300 computers and programs bought through eBay So

Re: Software piracy

Every Mac sold has some OS shipped with it and it is legal to sell it with the same OS on the computer it shipped with. Tom On 12/9/05 10:35 PM, "Clark Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Why don't we start with one story? I've never, ever heard of a >> computer company coming after a user wh

Re: Software piracy

At 5:07 PM -0500 12/9/05, Tom W. wrote: On 12/9/05, Clark Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No. There are plenty of stories of people getting busted for software piracy who've claimed they didn't know it was wrong. That defense rarely works. Why don't we start

Re: Software Piracy

On 12/9/05, macnifico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, Listers! > > It is permisible to sell a computer with the OS only. The rules do > not specify that the OS should be the original one for the computer. Where did you find that ? The original OS is a license issue, not an ebay issue. If the OS

Re: Software Piracy

Hi, Listers! It is permisible by the eBay rules, to contact you about a similar item being auctioned in eBay. It is NOT permisible to contact you to offer you a similar item by-passing eBay, (a private sale). It is permisible to sell a computer with the OS only. The rules do not specify that

Re: Software piracy

At 5:07 PM -0500 12/09/2005, Tom W. wrote: On 12/9/05, Clark Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No. There are plenty of stories of people getting busted for software piracy who've claimed they didn't know it was wrong. That defense rarely works. Why don't we st

Re: Software piracy

On 12/9/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 4:41 PM -0500 12/09/2005, Krow Magnum wrote: > >On 12/9/05, john ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> It does not indicate piracy in any way. For example > >> when I upgraded tp Tiger I bought the family pack with > >> 4 or 5 installs

Re: Software piracy

At 4:54 PM -0500 12/09/2005, Krow Magnum wrote: It probably is one of the most broken laws but don't connect eBay with legality. eBay lets lots of things go on that are not legal. eBay is like a common carrier. The provide a venue, not legal responsibility for the goods sold[*]. It is simpl

Re: Software piracy

At 4:43 PM -0500 12/09/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That must be the most broken law in the world then, because I rarely see a computer on Ebay or anywhere else that has no software. ya. Same. A widely abused reading of the "fair use" clause. Unless it is in parts or missing the hard driv

Re: Software piracy

At 4:41 PM -0500 12/09/2005, Krow Magnum wrote: On 12/9/05, john ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It does not indicate piracy in any way. For example when I upgraded tp Tiger I bought the family pack with 4 or 5 installs. And if you sell a Mac with one of those installs it should include a l

Re: Software piracy

At 4:28 PM -0500 12/09/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/9/05 1:22:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One thing about the seller who has the iBook is that he is probably reputable but just does not have the OS CD's to sell with it. Too many eBay sellers sell computers with a ne

Re: Software piracy

On 12/9/05, Clark Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No. There are plenty of stories of people getting busted for > software piracy who've claimed they didn't know it was wrong. That > defense rarely works. > Why don't we start with one story? I've n

Re: Software piracy

On 12/9/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In a message dated 12/9/05 4:37:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >That's BS ! They are selling software without a license. > > Alrighty then; thanks. > > That must be the most broken law in the world then, because I rarely see a > com

Re: Software piracy

about it being an indicator of anyone's honesty or not; what about situations where individuals are selling their personal laptops after being upgraded? Doesn't the act of piracy require some requisite mental state? No. There are plenty of stories of people getting busted for software pirac

Re: Software piracy

Most likely the proper thing to do.. -- Alan Miller Underwater Photographer <°<°.°.°.°. http://home.earthlink.net/~uwphoto/ Pismo400, 1G RAM, OS X.4.2 eBay ID uwphotoer Live each day like it is your last because someday you'll be right. On Dec 9, 2005, at 4:41 PM, Krow Magnum w

Re: Software piracy

In a message dated 12/9/05 4:37:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >That's BS ! They are selling software without a license. Alrighty then; thanks. That must be the most broken law in the world then, because I rarely see a computer on Ebay or anywhere else that has no software. Unless it is in p

Re: Software piracy

On 12/9/05, john ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It does not indicate piracy in any way. For example > when I upgraded tp Tiger I bought the family pack with > 4 or 5 installs. > And if you sell a Mac with one of those installs it should include a license transfer with it and you will have one l

Re: Software piracy

On 12/9/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In a message dated 12/9/05 1:22:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >One thing about the seller who has the iBook is that he is probably > >reputable but just does not have the OS CD's to sell with it. Too many > >eBay sellers sell compu

Re: Software piracy

It does not indicate piracy in any way. For example when I upgraded tp Tiger I bought the family pack with 4 or 5 installs. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 12/9/05 1:22:31 PM, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >One thing about the seller who has the iBook is > that he is proba

Software piracy

In a message dated 12/9/05 1:22:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >One thing about the seller who has the iBook is that he is probably >reputable but just does not have the OS CD's to sell with it. Too many >eBay sellers sell computers with a newer OS but no CD's which is >software pirating and ge