Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames

2013-04-25 Thread dark
Hi. I never actually said that a narrator shouldn't! be paid for their performance, only that the relative prices of audio books are! actually way more. This might be because Uk licencing costs extra, or just that you are not familiar with the prices of paperbacks. David gemmel's knights of

Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames

2013-04-25 Thread dark
Hi Tom. Actually, my comments about audio books were based on realistic pricing that I have seen on price comparison sites, as well as the prices I have myself paid for people like audible.co.uk. Tis might be because Uk publication rights cost more than us ones, (there are lots of things that

Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames

2013-04-25 Thread Trouble
The reason why those that record audible books get no royalties is because they are not the one that wrote the book. They are paid to read the book and that is just a job. You really study that and still don't know how royalties on products works? At 04:10 AM 4/25/2013, you wrote: Hi Tom.

Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames

2013-04-25 Thread Michael Feir
I've been very intrigued with this awesome discussion on the question of piracy and motivations. Keep up the excellent thinking and civil discourse. I just thought I'd throw in my two cents worth regarding Dark's acertion regarding people pirating games out of a misperception of large corporate

Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames

2013-04-25 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark, First, let me say you guys in the U.K. are seriously getting ripped off or things are darned expensive, but I can't imagine paying $57 or more for an audio book. Just out of curiosity I checked Amazon.com and found the complete unabridged version of Knights of Dark Renown on CD for $41

Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames

2013-04-24 Thread shaun everiss
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames Hi Thomas, You know I love writing games. Maybe it would have been nice to be able to make some money at it. But even early on I heard that there was not much money to make. But one major reason that I have never

Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames

2013-04-24 Thread dark
Hi tom. another crytical issue I find with piracy is actually who! gets the money. if I buy a Cd for say ten pounds, only about a pound of that will go to the actual musicians, and that is even assuming the musicians in question earn a royalty on individual cd sales and weren't given a fixed

Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames

2013-04-24 Thread dark
wow Dallas, that's awsome, i should move to australia. the Uk is a little better than the us, but we still have some means tested bennifits. So you get your disability bennifits, what are now called pip's, for mobility and dayly living stuff, but then you have others such as income support

Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames

2013-04-24 Thread Draconis
Hi Dark, *snip* if I buy a Cd for say ten pounds, only about a pound of that will go to the actual musicians, and that is even assuming the musicians in question earn a royalty on individual cd sales and weren't given a fixed amount by the publishers. Therefore, if you copy a Cd, the

Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames

2013-04-24 Thread dark
Hi josh. i'm afraid I disagree on distribution completely, since if you look at the markup that goes into prophit, even for something with little to no cost it is unbelieveable. i would be quite happy paying individual people, it is paying massive companies that I disagree with. i do agree

Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames

2013-04-24 Thread Draconis
Dark, It actually is very much related to games, as we were talking about the reasons for audio game piracy. In your eagerness to offer philosophical talking points, you entirely missed the point I was making. Hence why I referenced Android as well. The days of small and individual developers

Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames

2013-04-24 Thread dark
HI josh. I freely admit my knolidge of apple's business structure is not exact, though even from owning an Iphone I can draw conclusions. I do not say all coorporations are evil, they are simply in pursuit of prophit which, as marx stated is a none moral system from which you cannot derive

Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames

2013-04-24 Thread Draconis
Hi Dark, Just about done with this, as i have work to do, but just a couple quick responses hereā€¦ *snip* you are absolutely correct that the internet should! give an easy method for distribution, yet why is it still the case that many audio books (even when unabridged), are five or ten

Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames

2013-04-24 Thread James Bartlett
Hello Jim I'm in the same boat as you. that is why when I get better at programing I'll be sharing the games I right for free. It's always better to do something for fun then be persherd for time or the fact that the game that You wrote this time might not be as good as the last one. then

Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames

2013-04-24 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark, I've got a few comments here I think need to be voiced as it seems you and I have some serious intellectual differences in the way we view economics and business in general, and I don't think it is possible to have an intelligent discussion until those differences are voiced. I know

Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames

2013-04-24 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Josh, Well said. I don't think I could have stated that any better than you already have. As you pointed out the world is made up of infinite shades of gray, and extremes of any kind are always bad for the end user. I've experienced this often enough in my own life to know this to be true.

Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames

2013-04-24 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark, Actually, this does very much relate to games since the issue is distribution of products weather it be games, audio books, music, or anything else. The problem here is that you have an incorrect perception of Apple's model and charged ahead with your philosophical talking points without

Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames

2013-04-24 Thread Cara Quinn
Hi dark, I won't go into all of the points I'd been planning on addressing below, because Josh and Thomas have pretty much already covered that ground quite nicely. However, I will comment / question a few points below. Thanks, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at:

Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames

2013-04-24 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Cara, You raised a very good point in your last post. Sometimes a game developer needs to stop answering calls, responding to email, or cut down on list activity to work on games. If a developer does that he or she could be accused of being impersonal just because they are trying to make time

Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames

2013-04-24 Thread shaun everiss
maybe devs could get others to handle their list mail. its just a thought, ofcause said person would need to eventually get payed. I'd do it for anyone that wants it. free at first but if I expanded obviously I'd need to be payed, something like 10 bucks an hour or whatever or well games,

Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames

2013-04-24 Thread Cara Quinn
But Shaun, then we'd become corporations and then Dark would hate us! lol! *smile* Dark, just kidding! *hug* Just couldn't resist! :) Shaun, in all seriousness would you actually do that? if so that's way cool of you to offer! This is the sort of community involvement I'm talking about. That

Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames

2013-04-23 Thread Charles Rivard
, writing implements cause grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Thomas Ward Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames Hi Thomas

Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames

2013-04-23 Thread Bryan Peterson
thing that prevents me from going into complete Simpsons withdrawal. But thou must! -Original Message- From: Jim Kitchen Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:15 PM To: Thomas Ward Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames Hi Thomas, You know I love

Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames

2013-04-23 Thread Bryan Peterson
Message- From: Charles Rivard Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:27 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Giving Away Free Games was Announcement AboutBSCGames It's a real shame when you cannot afford to try to better yourself. Although the government claims to want you to get a job